Brock needs to going back to Pewter City

[weedle_mchairybug]

I'm sure not many people would bring emergency food onto a ship that appeared not to be in danger of anything. I mean, it was a pretty sunny day and no one really anticipates a storm to cause a ship to sink, with help of Team Rocket members I suppose. This includes the fact that the ship already had a lot of food on it so he might've just taken some of it.

Well, I still think that, if he were supposed to be the most prepared, smart, and mature person in the group, he should also be able to anticipate the possibility about the ship sinking.

About the the lie, anyone can get lied to. The main charcters are lied to every episode when Team Rocket decides to steal their pokémon by using disguises. I mean, surely you have been lied to at least once in your life. Everyone has because that's how life will usually go.

Yes, but it also makes his being the smartest person in the group seem rather undeserving. I mean, being lied to once or twice, that's one thing. But being lied to about 500 times, and even falling for an blaringly obvious lie makes him seem like a mentally challenged, dumb person. I mean, even Misty was smarter than him.

On topic now, Takeshi will most likely visit his hometown when the gang splits up after Sinnoh so no need to worry. He most likely won't stay there that long again, but Jiroo is the Gym Leader so that's taken care of.

Yeah. Though it's still a very big shame that the only chance we would see Forrest as a Gym leader had exploded in both the audiences and his own face, considering how he couldn't even stop his Mom and the "Shady painters" from completely (Beep)ing up the gym, and how we didn't actually see his battle (Instead, Brock and Ash battled them.). I mean, even Misty made sure to cross lines with her Sisters antics. I mean, yes, Lola may be his mom, but that does NOT mean that he should just let her completely ruin the gym again.

 

[Vernikova]

Well, I still think that, if he were supposed to be the most prepared, smart, and mature person in the group, he should also be able to anticipate the possibility about the ship sinking.

You can't be prepared for everything. Even a person who has all of those qualities can have these things happen to them.

Yes, but it also makes his being the smartest person in the group seem rather undeserving. I mean, being lied to once or twice, that's one thing. But being lied to about 500 times, and even falling for an blaringly obvious lie makes him seem like a mentally challenged, dumb person. I mean, even Misty was smarter than him.

Yes, but even Kasumi had been lied to at least 200 times by obvious costumes that Team Rocket wears. If she were still on the main cast, she would have been lied to over 500 times as well because the writers want it that way.

Yeah. Though it's still a very big shame that the only chance we would see Forrest as a Gym leader had exploded in both the audiences and his own face, considering how he couldn't even stop his Mom and the "Shady painters" from completely (Beep)ing up the gym, and how we didn't actually see his battle (Instead, Brock and Ash battled them.). I mean, even Misty made sure to cross lines with her Sisters antics. I mean, yes, Lola may be his mom, but that does NOT mean that he should just let her completely ruin the gym again.

All I can hope for now is a battle that includes him so we can see how far his skills have come along.

 

[Trap-Eds]

Also, why did he easily get fooled by James' obvious lie about having died in front of a church?

Uhhh....what? Which episode was that? :/

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Uhhh....what? Which episode was that? :/

It's Holy Matrimony. The episode where James is forced to marry Jessibelle.

 

[Jorah]

...Which is why they should have actually come up with a far better excuse for him to come onto the show (That is, do it in such a way that DOESN'T contradict the past entirely). Besides, they didn't have him arriving with them being starved in Battle Frontier, or more importantly, when DP started (then again, with DP, the way they had him appear made it seem as though he was actually not planning on returning to Ash, "going on the old road with my love" as he said, and that the only reason why he's with Ash was because the trucker lady ditched him (both literally and figuratively, as in the latter, it's revealed that she already had a Boyfriend.)

I was agreeing with you XD I don't think he wanted to come back for DP either. Actually, a lot of the time it seems as though he doesn't really want to hang around with Ash at all. The second he see's a girl he wants to go off and live with her (I'm sure he's said a lot of times that he would want to stay there with her) and he would leave Ash and Dawn in a second.

...Speaking of things that don't make any sense, why is it that Brock, the guy whose supposed to be the most prepared main character, didn't try to prepare emergency food just in case the St. Anne sunk and they were castaways?

I can't rememeber if it was really established back then that Brock was the food-guy. I know he made food back in the Clefairy episode but I don't think they had him cooking again until the Mankey episode? It's probably a trait that just grew over time.

He also used to get them lost all the time, I don't think he does that now. At least, not as much, definatly. He had to clean up his act if he didn't want to get replaced by Max's Pokenav XD

Also, why did he easily get fooled by James' obvious lie about having died in front of a church?

Humour. It was a hilarious scene.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

I can't rememeber if it was really established back then that Brock was the food-guy. I know he made food back in the Clefairy episode but I don't think they had him cooking again until the Mankey episode? It's probably a trait that just grew over time.

Speaking of the Clefairy episode, I didn't exactly get why Ash seemed to want to puke when he tried the Pokemon food. I mean, yeah, I know Brock mentioned that the food's more edible to the pokemon, but that seemed out of place considering how Seymour seemed to also think the food tasted great, and he wasn't even a Pokemon.

He also used to get them lost all the time, I don't think he does that now. At least, not as much, definatly. He had to clean up his act if he didn't want to get replaced by Max's Pokenav XD

Funny thing is, even WHEN he cleaned up his act, he still got shafted anyways.

Humour. It was a hilarious scene.

I think the only part that might have even been considered remotely "hilarious" was James trying to fake amnesia again. I mean, the scene was just sad (both the melancholic definition and the bad taste definition). I mean, I wouldn't consider someone who died in front of a church in a blizzard "hilarious", and I think that his not picking up on the clue would have been a bit contradictory to his characterization as being the more rational, intelligent, and mature member of the group. I mean, sure, humor would be a good thing, but it also takes timing. Meaning, they also have to do it in a way that's both funny and keeps the characters in-character.

Yes, but even Kasumi had been lied to at least 200 times by obvious costumes that Team Rocket wears. If she were still on the main cast, she would have been lied to over 500 times as well because the writers want it that way.

Actually, was she actually fooled all that much? I mean, I watched Kanto a bit, and the only time she might have actually been fooled by Team Rocket was when Brock caught Vulpix. Even then, she only did it because Ash and her made a bit of a bet on it (and, technically, Misty is right. I mean, The inside of a person is indeed very vital, but then again, that doesn't mean that the outside isn't important, as there needs to be middle ground for everything (And that's coming from someone who hates appearance judging.).). Most of the other times, it was Ash who led them into the trap (for instance, the Saffron City incident), and Misty was usually the first to scold Ash about falling into the trap.

 

[Jorah]

Speaking of the Clefairy episode, I didn't exactly get why Ash seemed to want to puke when he tried the Pokemon food. I mean, yeah, I know Brock mentioned that the food's more edible to the pokemon, but that seemed out of place considering how Seymour seemed to also think the food tasted great, and he wasn't even a Pokemon.

Hmm well, I suppose things were just different back then, like how there were real fish in the water. Humans can eat Poffins and Pokeblock now and like it. I suppose the type of Pokemon food Brock was cooking was kind of like Ash eating dog food.

Funny thing is, even WHEN he cleaned up his act, he still got shafted anyways.

Yeah XD

I think the only part that might have even been considered remotely "hilarious" was James trying to fake amnesia again. I mean, the scene was just sad (both the melancholic definition and the bad taste definition). I mean, I wouldn't consider someone who died in front of a church in a blizzard "hilarious", and I think that his not picking up on the clue would have been a bit contradictory to his characterization as being the more rational, intelligent, and mature member of the group. I mean, sure, humor would be a good thing, but it also takes timing. Meaning, they also have to do it in a way that's both funny and keeps the characters in-character.

I do. I found it funny because of the irony. At the start, it was a sad story, but then James was talking about how he tragically died...while telling his story to the group XD I can't quite remember the scene, but it was just so funny when they were all crying over James's death and Misty says "James is standing right in front of you!" Haha

Brock and Ash were just pulled in by the story, but neither of them ever see through Team Rocket's stories or disguises, so it wasn't really out of character

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Hmm well, I suppose things were just different back then, like how there were real fish in the water. Humans can eat Poffins and Pokeblock now and like it. I suppose the type of Pokemon food Brock was cooking was kind of like Ash eating dog food.

Suprising, considering how Seymour is eating "Dog food" in a sense (ironically, Bart actually tried to make Skinner dog food for his anniversary of being the principal in "the Simpsons").

Also, technically, real fish (or rather, real aquatic life) hadn't really "Phased out", as there was a Coral reef in the Manaphy movie, even though Corsola had already existed by then.

I do. I found it funny because of the irony. At the start, it was a sad story, but then James was talking about how he tragically died...while telling his story to the group XD I can't quite remember the scene, but it was just so funny when they were all crying over James's death and Misty says "James is standing right in front of you!" Haha

Actually, that would make it the... what, fourth time Misty saw through a Team Rocket disguise/lie (The first, obviously, being the LT. Surge gym battle, second being the Japanese version of Beauty and the Beach, and the way she scolded Ash for not realizing that the "Grand Prize" in the first Sabrina match implied she saw through the Trick.). Actually, now that I think about it, during the rare instances where the protagonists actually saw through a TR disguise in the original series, it was Misty who saw through them, for the most part.

Brock and Ash were just pulled in by the story, but neither of them ever see through Team Rocket's stories or disguises, so it wasn't really out of character

Yeah, I know, though I do wish they also tried to also use his smartness to actually tell right out that Team Rocket was in disguise.

BTW, speaking of seeing through disguises, some people thought that Brock can identify fake Nurse joys. Although, the only time I ever witness him foil a TR plot in regards to a Nurse Joy mimicry was in "Fire and Ice", which even there, he didn't seem to actually figure out that they were fakes, much less JJM. In fact, I'm pretty sure that his retort of "My radar never fails me" was actually him saving face (I mean, if it truly never failed him, he would have realized they were imposters in an instant.). Besides, it was also him who led Ash into the trap anyways.

 

[Vernikova]

Actually, was she actually fooled all that much? I mean, I watched Kanto a bit, and the only time she might have actually been fooled by Team Rocket was when Brock caught Vulpix. Even then, she only did it because Ash and her made a bit of a bet on it (and, technically, Misty is right. I mean, The inside of a person is indeed very vital, but then again, that doesn't mean that the outside isn't important, as there needs to be middle ground for everything (And that's coming from someone who hates appearance judging.).). Most of the other times, it was Ash who led them into the trap (for instance, the Saffron City incident), and Misty was usually the first to scold Ash about falling into the trap.

Every time the group doesn't recognize Team Rocket in their diguises they were fooled. Misty saw through their disguises 4 times I believe and couldn't recognize them the rest of those times duriong her run.

Just because Satoshi led them into a trap doesn't mean she wasn't fooled as well. I mean, she may have scolded him first but what if it was Takeshi? Does that mean he wouldn't have been fooled?

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Every time the group doesn't recognize Team Rocket in their diguises they were fooled. Misty saw through their disguises 4 times I believe and couldn't recognize them the rest of those times duriong her run.

How are we supposed to know that she didn't recognize them (or heck, they're not recognizing them, for that matter) during the Original series. For all we know, she might have seen through it, and yet was following Ash and Brock to try and prevent them from falling into the trap (Heck, same deal with Brock even.). I mean, in Season 1, they actually did seem a tad bit suspicious about the disguises used by Team Rocket (The only time they didn't seem all that suspicious was when they accepted the ride from the "punk band" Team Rocket, which even then, even if they knew, they probably felt that their plan to capture Jigglypuff wouldn't work anyways.).

Just because Satoshi led them into a trap doesn't mean she wasn't fooled as well. I mean, she may have scolded him first but what if it was Takeshi? Does that mean he wouldn't have been fooled?

If he did scold him, I would ALSO have felt that he saw through the ruse, since I would at least have some definite knowledge that he saw through them.

Another thing, why would she scold Ash in such a manner that implied that she actually did sense that it was a trap if she was fooled by it as well?

Besides, that still doesn't change the fact that it was Misty who for the most part saw through the disguises. I mean, they could have just as easily had Brock try to actually see through the disguises in an instant in many of the rare moments that Ash and co. saw through a disguise, but they used Misty instead.

 

[Vernikova]

How are we supposed to know that she didn't recognize them (or heck, they're not recognizing them, for that matter) during the Original series. For all we know, she might have seen through it, and yet was following Ash and Brock to try and prevent them from falling into the trap (Heck, same deal with Brock even.). I mean, in Season 1, they actually did seem a tad bit suspicious about the disguises used by Team Rocket (The only time they didn't seem all that suspicious was when they accepted the ride from the "punk band" Team Rocket, which even then, even if they knew, they probably felt that their plan to capture Jigglypuff wouldn't work anyways.).

We know because noboby said anything. If they did know, they would've said something right?

If he did scold him, I would ALSO have felt that he saw through the ruse, since I would at least have some definite knowledge that he saw through them.

Another thing, why would she scold Ash in such a manner that implied that she actually did sense that it was a trap if she was fooled by it as well?

Sensing something isn't knowing something. You can sense something is wrong but you don't know it is.

Besides, that still doesn't change the fact that it was Misty who for the most part saw through the disguises. I mean, they could have just as easily had Brock try to actually see through the disguises in an instant in many of the rare moments that Ash and co. saw through a disguise, but they used Misty instead.

I'm not going to deny that for the most part when the group saw throguh the disguises it was usually Kasumi but that still doesn't change the fact that she was fooled.

Do you think they should show an episode with more Jiroo/ Takeshi interaction if they ever go back to doing any of kind of Chronicles episodes?