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    I'm surprised there hasn't been a thread already, with all the controversy. I saw it today with my friends, mainly to see what all the fuss was about, and I was really surprised. I didn't expect to enjoy it so much - it's one of the most beautiful and subtle films I've ever seen. It was also incredibly sad, and I walked out of the cinema crying. So... have you seen it? Will you? What do you think?
     
    I have not seen the movie nor will I, because..."does the world need gay cowboys?" Yeah, my friend saw it and beyond the pointless sex, she was pleased with it.

    My issue with the whole movie is the publicity, in that of they are not upfront with the politicial angle Hollywood is going for. They want to mainstream gay behavior whereas the rest of America isn't quite up for that, and that shows how far removed Hollywood is from the rest of the world (particularly when you compare to the current fare with Felicity Huffman being a transgendered man, Dan Futterman in Capote, a gay...I forget his job at the moment). I don't mind the pushing the gay agenda, if Hollywood likes gay cowboys, let them have gay cowboys, just be honest about it. They're not, so here we are.

    It will win the Best Picture and all these awards despite the fact it hardly draws a profit, think it had like 150,000 gross so far. Either way, no. Just addressing a much needed point.
     
    I quote my friend from Film Class the day after he saw the movie:

    So dude, I found the perfect formula to making an award winning movie that'll surely catch everyone's attention! Make a movie about gay guys and them having all these raunchy scenes and call it a "love story" and it'll win awards! Why? Because if they don't win any or if someone says that they hate or dislike a movie, they're homophobes!

    I rest my case and I still think that Crash should win the Oscars for Best Film. I was more touched in that film than this "love story". =P
     
    they metioned something like that in american idol (i know lol) were there were these bad singers and they made a short thing about it called brokenote mountain lol

    But the real movie was so sad....so sad.... weird thing is i didn't cry o.o
     
    i haven't seen it but i know it must be a great movie.

    the controversy is nothing. its just an adoring and quiet love movie that deserves many awards, and the movie has! its fair, accurate, and inclusive in how they expressed gay lives. that was a wonderful experience for many i believe. we thank Hollywood :)
     
    How is it controversial? What's more controversial--gay guys kissing or Angelina Jolie completely naked with a guy?

    I think people need to lighten up on being offended by gay men.
     
    i know a lot of people who said that the movie was good. i haven't watched it but i know that its already a lovely movie. there are some people out there who are homophobic, like some politicians and a few movie critics who say its wrong and perverted. NO its NOT.
     
    Totakikay said:
    i know a lot of people who said that the movie was good. i haven't watched it but i know that its already a lovely movie. there are some people out there who are homophobic, like some politicians and a few movie critics who say its wrong and perverted. NO its NOT.

    Yeah. And I mean, even if they did show sex or something in the movie...it's no worse or better than them showing heterosexuals doing those things in other movies.

    I really do want to see it. My best friend is gay and he said that it's a movie for EVERYONE, not just gays.
     
    You should see it. I wasn't going to see it because I didn't think I'd have time, but it turned out that my friends and I had one day to get together before class started again for this year so we wanted to see it. It's absolutely beautiful. It really makes you think about life. It's not about rampant sex or anything, it's about a relationship and how that relationship affects life.
     
    Jedi_Amara said:
    You should see it. I wasn't going to see it because I didn't think I'd have time, but it turned out that my friends and I had one day to get together before class started again for this year so we wanted to see it. It's absolutely beautiful. It really makes you think about life. It's not about rampant sex or anything, it's about a relationship and how that relationship affects life.

    I think I will...but I'll probably have to wait 'til June. I doubt it's still playing in the rinky dink Regal Cinema near me, and I know my friend will get it on DVD when he visits me in June.:classic: But you're absolutely right--people have this absurb notion that all gay people do is have sex 24/7, which isn't true. That's like saying all chick flicks are just sex or something.
     
    Dark Weezing said:
    I have not seen the movie nor will I, because..."does the world need gay cowboys?" Yeah, my friend saw it and beyond the pointless sex, she was pleased with it.

    My issue with the whole movie is the publicity, in that of they are not upfront with the politicial angle Hollywood is going for. They want to mainstream gay behavior whereas the rest of America isn't quite up for that, and that shows how far removed Hollywood is from the rest of the world (particularly when you compare to the current fare with Felicity Huffman being a transgendered man, Dan Futterman in Capote, a gay...I forget his job at the moment). I don't mind the pushing the gay agenda, if Hollywood likes gay cowboys, let them have gay cowboys, just be honest about it. They're not, so here we are.

    It will win the Best Picture and all these awards despite the fact it hardly draws a profit, think it had like 150,000 gross so far. Either way, no. Just addressing a much needed point.

    Thank you, John, for a most articulate wording of a most unpopular viewpoint among the PC populace. Despite my knowledge of Hollywood being based solely on what I see on television, I have come to the same conclusion about this movie. It has the most cleverly-disguised shock factor I've ever seen, a movie created with the sole purpose of pandering to the activists who have a large majority control over the Academy, the ultimate goal being to use the award stage and the ad nauseum media replays of that winning moment as a soapbox. This seems to be the new trend; rumors continue to circulate that Million Dollar Baby won over The Aviator at last year's Academy Awards simply because it advocated euthenasia, for example. Our friends on the left coast are more vocal and will go to greater lengths to influence the common folk than is ever appropriate, and this is just an extension of that, perfectly crafted in that it contains the trap that Niko mentioned and that it goes to great lengths to make it look like an uncommon artistic achievement.

    Let us not skirt past the issue of homosexuality in the movie; this, inherently, does not make the movie bad, but the way in which it is presented and the spirit in which it was inserted into the movie makes it far different from something crafted with art and not agenda in mind; for example, the movie Philadelphia, which I love very much. I will not take the time to summarize it, but, for anyone who has seen it, they know what I'm describing. With Brokeback mountain, the gay issue seems to be the central idea in the movie, which they first decided to build a plot around, then, after this was complete, they thought long and hard how to make it seem like they had done none of this in the first place in such a way that the Hollywood elite would praise them for a job well done on creatively hiding their intent and the rest of us would praise them for a job well done on the movie as a whole. It is the all-too-Hollywood method of inserting their way of life into that of another group of people (especially groups that they see as backward or inferior) that is the icing on the cake, though; the homosexual cowboy is a concept that exists solely to make certain groups of people feel like their culture is being invaded, mocked, what have you; add in the unnecessary sex (nudity and graphic sex seem to be becoming more and more important to a film if it hopes to be nominated for anything) and scenes tailor-made to spit in the eye of the enemies of Hollywood and you have something that will be regarded as a "classic" for decades.
     
    Chairman Kaga said:
    Thank you, John, for a most articulate wording of a most unpopular viewpoint among the PC populace. Despite my knowledge of Hollywood being based solely on what I see on television, I have come to the same conclusion about this movie. It has the most cleverly-disguised shock factor I've ever seen, a movie created with the sole purpose of pandering to the activists who have a large majority control over the Academy, the ultimate goal being to use the award stage and the ad nauseum media replays of that winning moment as a soapbox. This seems to be the new trend; rumors continue to circulate that Million Dollar Baby won over The Aviator at last year's Academy Awards simply because it advocated euthenasia, for example. Our friends on the left coast are more vocal and will go to greater lengths to influence the common folk than is ever appropriate, and this is just an extension of that, perfectly crafted in that it contains the trap that Niko mentioned and that it goes to great lengths to make it look like an uncommon artistic achievement.

    Let us not skirt past the issue of homosexuality in the movie; this, inherently, does not make the movie bad, but the way in which it is presented and the spirit in which it was inserted into the movie makes it far different from something crafted with art and not agenda in mind; for example, the movie Philadelphia, which I love very much. I will not take the time to summarize it, but, for anyone who has seen it, they know what I'm describing. With Brokeback mountain, the gay issue seems to be the central idea in the movie, which they first decided to build a plot around, then, after this was complete, they thought long and hard how to make it seem like they had done none of this in the first place in such a way that the Hollywood elite would praise them for a job well done on creatively hiding their intent and the rest of us would praise them for a job well done on the movie as a whole. It is the all-too-Hollywood method of inserting their way of life into that of another group of people (especially groups that they see as backward or inferior) that is the icing on the cake, though; the homosexual cowboy is a concept that exists solely to make certain groups of people feel like their culture is being invaded, mocked, what have you; add in the unnecessary sex (nudity and graphic sex seem to be becoming more and more important to a film if it hopes to be nominated for anything) and scenes tailor-made to spit in the eye of the enemies of Hollywood and you have something that will be regarded as a "classic" for decades.


    Why thanks for reading my post Alan, as I believe that some people here did not even possibly read my post or just ignored it for fear of lack of word. =D

    Well if you ask me about it, I'm repeating what I said in my Film Class:

    This movie isn't really anything but just the gay hype. If you remove the other dude and replaced him with a girl, it's just one boring love story that I would sleep through no matter what, homosexual or not. I'm not saying it's a bad movie. I'm just saying that I missed the whole "hype" of having this movie one of the best of the year and I still see it as a boring love story. As I mentioned above, my nod for the year is to Crash. =P
     
    Honestly, I'm not going to go see it. To be very frank and blunt, I don't want to see a "gay cowboy movie". No, I know that it has a very "deep" plot from what I've heard...but I'd rather use my time to see a better film, with better morals.

    In the first place, I just find general problems with everyone saying it's good...because it's about homosexuality. As someone mentioned, it's like if you don't want to see it, that's an auto-homophobe label. First off, I'm not that homophobic. Yeah, I don't really understand the whole issue, so I won't say that I'm completely comfortable about it...when I'm really not. It's just that I don't want to watch a movie based around two guys loving each other. That's just a big turn off when looking to see what's playing on Saturday ;<

    So, let the movies put homosexuality into our culture through gay cowboys, but I don't want to be a party of it. No matter how well it's directed, written, or portrayed.

    ...

    Was I too blunt or frank? I hope that was respectful D:
     
    Chairman Kaga said:
    With Brokeback mountain, the gay issue seems to be the central idea in the movie, which they first decided to build a plot around, then, after this was complete, they thought long and hard how to make it seem like they had done none of this in the first place in such a way that the Hollywood elite would praise them for a job well done on creatively hiding their intent and the rest of us would praise them for a job well done on the movie as a whole. It is the all-too-Hollywood method of inserting their way of life into that of another group of people (especially groups that they see as backward or inferior) that is the icing on the cake, though; the homosexual cowboy is a concept that exists solely to make certain groups of people feel like their culture is being invaded, mocked, what have you; add in the unnecessary sex (nudity and graphic sex seem to be becoming more and more important to a film if it hopes to be nominated for anything) and scenes tailor-made to spit in the eye of the enemies of Hollywood and you have something that will be regarded as a "classic" for decades.
    Unfortunately, I am unable to agree with you on this point. Brokeback Mountain is based on a critically acclaimed short story. The piece of writing in question was considered good enough to make into a feature film, and any "creative hiding" was not injected by Hollywood, but by the author. There was really only one sex scene (as opposed to bedroom/tent scenes); while perhaps it wasn't necessary in the strictest sense of the word, I felt that it served to express the discomfort of the men and their shock realisation in a way that something "less explicit" (though it wasn't at all explicit, if that makes sense; I'm tired) would not have.
     
    Jedi_Amara said:
    Unfortunately, I am unable to agree with you on this point. Brokeback Mountain is based on a critically acclaimed short story. The piece of writing in question was considered good enough to make into a feature film, and any "creative hiding" was not injected by Hollywood, but by the author. There was really only one sex scene (as opposed to bedroom/tent scenes); while perhaps it wasn't necessary in the strictest sense of the word, I felt that it served to express the discomfort of the men and their shock realisation in a way that something "less explicit" (though it wasn't at all explicit, if that makes sense; I'm tired) would not have.

    It's still Hollywood's choice what they make into a motion picture and what they put aside; even if the author had a more implicit intent, Hollywood molded the overall reason for the movie's production and subsequent promotional media blitz into something produced solely for people who derive some sort of sense of counterculture eliteness from these kind of movie concepts. It was made to win awards, which is not uncommon for many movies. Rarely are there ever movies that "accidentally" win major awards; and it just shows where Hollywood's mind is right now that the producers of this movie believed it would be a critical and award juggernaut (and that it is actually following through on this.)

    Regarding the sex scene, it's not particularly shocking that there's one in this movie; I was just stating that it's a symptom of a larger problem in Hollywood, that those who are entrusted with judging what's quality and what isn't have their minds in the gutter.
     
    OR maybe it won an award because OMFG, it was...I don't know...good? Or at least, a lot of people thought it was good.

    I thought this thread was just about the movie. Not what awards it got.

    A lot of shitty movies get awards. Don't get your panties in a twist.
     
    And congrats on being person #5764925674 who thinks that their opinion is somehow infallable just because they're snide. How incredibly original of you.

    Hollywood's definition of quality is based on the level of controversy in a movie, not on any actual relevant standard. I've never denied that it is a good movie, but it was not made to be a harmless work of art.
     
    I don't know, Alan, you did a lovely job taking my thought another step further. Probably what makes me love you so much.

    I do hope no one thinks too much of this. ;)

    It's been a slow year, people are tired of movies and the liberalism, so I guess they decided to push for another direction. Yes, the Academy is conservative or that is fading with a movie like this and like Alan said (and I'm paraphrasing), there are plenty movies that are gay themed that don't get the awards or don't have the gay theme as the A plot than the subplot. Just unlike those, Brokeback is manufactured now as the Hollywood vs. Middle America. My friend said it took ten years to make from the short story to the movie. I think back then it was a loser and no one wanted it but since the shift is going gay with such fare as the L Word, it was good timing now.

    That's probably what is bringing this trouble is the timing. That and the schism to what Hollywood/Middle America is getting wider and wider anymore. Beyond that, it's just a movie.

    With a lead named Ennis. That doesn't deserve praise, that should get ridicule. Giggles, Ennis.
     
    Or maybe it's because gay people are people, too, and there is nothing "shocking" about them.

    And congrats on being person #5764925674 who thinks that their opinion is somehow infallable just because they're snide. How incredibly original of you.

    And how original of you to pull your psuedo intellectual shiza on someone cracking a joke.
     
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