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[doesn't matter]

lmao Matt, over 9000. hai :D

Edit is too broad a term.

But calling them recolours still don't boost their status. I know what you're thinking Mobile Tsk, you're trying to put them all on the same level. I used to think that way too, but the truth is that they're nothing a like except for the fact that you can make them both in MSPaint ♥

One of the issues we have here is that some people never move away from simple edits like recolours. They stay there and consequently this place stagnates (as it already has at times). We don't want to encourage simplicity, we want to encourage users to push themselves, see what is the most they can do, and then go further.

 

[Fox♠]

Then it's still talentless. You're just putting seaking's stripes on Seedot.

In fact, this whole section probably needs a shake up, I mean, I know the rules encourage criticism, but next to no one here ever gives it =/

 

[Glitter Stain]

Look Mobile Tsk, the issue we have here is that some people never move away from simple edits like recolours. They stay there and consequently this place stagnates (as it already has at times). We don't want to encourage simplicity, we want to encourage users to push themselves, see what is the most they can do, and then go further.

Sometimes that's all a person can do, is recolor. Simple recolors. I don't see a problem with creative recolors, or even good simple recolors for that matter. As long as a sprite thread isn't filled with mutilated Charizards paint red and lime green, I don't see how recolors would be a problem. Plus, usually, recolors are posted in the same thread as other sprites, meaning that they are just additional sprites.

Then it's still talentless. You're just putting seaking's stripes on Seedot.

Nope, you're making them fit Seedot, too. It's not talentless. You'd have to recolor specific parts of Seedot (meaning the bucket fill tool won't help much), and then make it look like an actual Pokemon by fitting the new stripes to the sprite.

 

[Fox♠]

Sometimes that's all a person can do, is recolor. Simple recolors. I don't see a problem with creative recolors, or even good simple recolors for that matter. As long as a sprite thread isn't filled with mutilated Charizards paint red and lime green, I don't see how recolors would be a problem. Plus, usually, recolors are posted in the same thread as other sprites, meaning that they are just additional sprites.

If you don't see a problem then you probably are one of the people who aren't giving good crit or trying to encourage progress.

 

[Glitter Stain]

If you don't see a problem then you probably are one of the people who aren't giving good crit or trying to encourage progress.

Sorry, I'm out of ways to respond to you. That doesn't make any sense. Do you have a problem with someone recoloring a sprite if it actually turns out well? I might say, "Hey, you should try something harder," but I'm not going to completely disregard recolors.

 

[doesn't matter]

Kenji, that was a good post, and we are going a bit off-topic. My main reason for bringing up sprites is so that completely custom work, regardless of it's final appearance, should be regarded as pixel art. It's silly cause we try to distinguish sprites from pixel art when sprites are pixel art, so I wanted to change our definition a bit so as to encourage more talent to flourish. If you're all fine with distinguishing custom/scratch sprites from to "sprites" then people can make a thread with only one example.

Cause what are you more likely to create? Four custom sprites that take a fair bit of time or a bunch of recolours which you know will look half decent in the end?

 

[Fox♠]

It makes perfect sense. The reason that Sprite recolours bog up this forum is because people like you don't see a problem with it. Why on earth is ANYONE going to try harder at better things when they'll get a "WOW THTS GR8!!!!!" from the members like you whenever they produce a recolour?

 

[Glitter Stain]

It makes perfect sense. The reason that Sprite recolours bog up this forum is because people like you don't see a problem with it. Why on earth is ANYONE going to try harder at better things when they'll get a "WOW THTS GR8!!!!!" from the members like you whenever they produce a recolour?

Wow, members like me don't say things like that. I don't talk like that, first of all. No one does. Second of all, I only say something is great, or as you would say, "GR8!!!!!", when something really is great. I rarely give out "goods"; much less anything higher than that.

The point is, I'm not contributing to the problem. If someone wants to post decent recolors, I say go for it. If that person keeps up recoloring, it's more likely that their larger edits will be much better.

So, in conclusion, banning recolors is just a bad idea.

 

[Fox♠]

Wait what? Can you not identify simple sarcasm?

If that person keeps up recoloring, it's more likely that their larger edits will be much better.

No it isn't. It's more likely they'll never stop recolouring.

 

[Glitter Stain]

Wait what? Can you not identify simple sarcasm?

No it isn't. It's more likely they'll never stop recolouring.

No, sorry, that's not true. It's more likely they'll try something a step up from recoloring, or more advanced recolors. If you produce decent recolors for a considerable amount of time, eventually you'll get bored of them and want to move onto something else.

 

[doesn't matter]

We're not saying that you do Tsk, but other members who may not frequent here as often do find it easier to praise a recolour than something more complex. I've seen it a lot. A magnificent piece of art gets overlooked and the thread just dies while other, less artistic material stays afloat.

And lets not get started on non-pokemon pixel art. It's like they don't exist around here, haha.

But yeah, anymore discussion on this should be taken to the spriters showcase/discussion thread.

now, back once more to what I wanted, in much simpler terms:

Custom sprites = pixel art.

yes or no?

 

[Glitter Stain]

Custom sprites = pixel art.

yes or no?

I'd say it wouldn't matter. If someone has enough experience to make a quality custom sprite, they almost definitely have at least three other examples to showcase.

But if you just want "yes" or "no", then absolutely, custom sprites = pixel art. Much more advanced than most other sprites.

 

[Fox♠]

No, sorry, that's not true. It's more likely they'll try something a step up from recoloring, or more advanced recolors. If you produce decent recolors for a considerable amount of time, eventually you'll get bored of them and want to move onto something else.

Well let's see, I've being here since January 2005, I was doing edits by the time I came here. The pixel art section was nearly all recolours then. it was quite good in 2006 because talented people started shunning recolours. It's now 2008, and I've noticed it's pretty much 2005 again. PCers will just do these rubbish recolours until enough people actually take a front against the form. You've being here the whole of 2 months, and whilst you may think you're "in the know" about the PA section, you're probably not, no offense of course.

Custom sprites = pixel art.

Uhh...I dunno, we tried that before didn't we? Like you said, all sprites are pixel art anyway.

 

[Gary the Magic Fairy]

In addition, is there anything else you'd like to bring up while this is here? Maybe something about the pixel projects section or something.

On the subject of the Pixel Projects section.. I think you should try allowing those 'projects' that pop up every now and then, to see if they could go anywhere. They could possibly bring some activity to the subforum. Obviously not all of them, since some are just... well, stupid. XD There would have to be some rules and guidelines.

But I could see maybe a few working out, and if they fail, it's not like it really hurts much, you'd just have a few more dead threads in the forum? I think it might be worth a try. That forum's amount of activity is kinda sad.

Custom sprites = pixel art.

yes or no?

I would say yes. I mean, all sprites are pixel art, but you mean pixel art as in "This is enough to start a thread," right? If so, then my answer is yes. XD

 

[Fox♠]

But I could see maybe a few working out, and if they fail, it's not like it really hurts much, you'd just have a few more dead threads in the forum? I think it might be worth a try. That forum's amount of activity is kinda sad.

YES. Do it Ray, i think it could work, of course it's completely dependent on the community, and if it's continually turning out failures, then stop it, but it's worth a try.

 

[doesn't matter]

If we count all sprites as pixel art then, won't we just wind up with a page full of threads with just one example of a recolour or whatever, haha.

Kenji and Matt, if you both think it's a good idea then I'll definitely consider it the next time another one pops up.

Yeah, exactly. Pixel art as enough to start a thread around here :)

 

[Fox♠]

But how can we make a clear line of what is "pixel art" and what is a "sprite"?

Because generally, the term sprite refers to an image made of pixels that's part of a series used for animation generally in a video game.

I know what you mean though, big pieces like what Allstories used to do are hard to call sprites, and i personally have always called them Pixel art.

I think what needs to be done, is a revamp of the whole area, generally. idk, bring back monthly contests, I know that the last few had an abysmal amount of entries, but i feel if we build up a better, closer community like we had in 06, things would be a LOT better.

 

[Yume Tsuki]

I think that in a section like this would be one of the few places that tags could be used to their full potential. A tag for threads that contain recolors, a tag for revamps, a tag for scratch work. If all threads were tagged it could make looking for threads that contain certain types of pixel art easier to find, and to get an idea of what to expect before entering a thread. If, for example, you were in the mood to look at some revamps, you could hover over the little tag (

) icon, and check if the thread contains revamps. Or I could go to the tag search page and type in revamps to get a list of threads.

But, to accomplish this, a list of tags would be good idea, so you get consistent tags throughout the section, and, hopefully, not get any irrelevant tags.

Maybe have a thread with the list of tags that are allowed, and state in the rules that these are the only tags that may be added to a thread. There might be a few cases where a tag not on the list would be appropriate, but I don't see that happening very often.

Of course, none of this will matter much at all if tagging isn't encouraged more. Right now I see 3 threads with tags on them on the first page. So, for any of this to work, the amount of tagged threads in this section would have to be increased.

ooh now i get it :) ty i'm not confused anymore

 

[doesn't matter]

But how can we make a clear line of what is "pixel art" and what is a "sprite"?

Because generally, the term sprite refers to an image made of pixels that's part of a series used for animation generally in a video game.

I know what you mean though, big pieces like what Allstories used to do are hard to call sprites, and i personally have always called them Pixel art.

I think what needs to be done, is a revamp of the whole area, generally. idk, bring back monthly contests, I know that the last few had an abysmal amount of entries, but i feel if we build up a better, closer community like we had in 06, things would be a LOT better.

Well all I want is to alter this sections definition so that scratch sprites are counted as pixel art, though Mobile Tsk is correct in saying that they'd most likely have other examples anyway which they can show so... I guess changing it would be pointless.

Monthly contests - who's gonna host them month after month? I can do it every now and then but I'm short on ideas and even shorter on time some months.

The problem with building a tighter community will be that eventually new folk will feel left out and eventually people will move on. Then once again we're back where we are now :(

I think the first step though should be getting them monthly contests up and running again.

 

[Glitter Stain]

I think a more than adequate option for monthly contests is to have a different member that regularly visits the PA forum host it each month.