Cloning: Your opinions on it.

[gorgono]

i know mate ^_^ i just put my opinion up,

i hope you like it ^_^ is the lucky egg of use?

It is indeed. I was in need of one too :D. I owe you something good eventually.

 

[shookie]

And no, hacking and cloning are as bad as each other. If anything cloning is worse, depending on how you do it.

Eh? How is making copies of Pokémon as bad as skewing the game data to take shortcuts and create things like Wondertomb?

 

[Volroc]

It is indeed. I was in need of one too :D. I owe you something good eventually.

you already gave me wat i needed, but if ya ever find a female combee ill be happy to evolve it ;)

Eh? How is making copies of Pokémon as bad as skewing the game data to take shortcuts and create things like Wondertomb?

my point exacta-ly lol

 

[JakeyBoy]

The point is you happily clone 6 level 100 Arceus's and that's all fine and dandy, but when someone spawns a shiny level 2 Politoed to train you flip out. You're taking advantage of it in the same way. It's not what you're doing, it's how big a prick you are when you do it.

 

[NickofTime]

Thats just stupid -.- i guarentee you that half the pokemon you get through trade threads have touched ar or pokesav and most of the shinies have too.

So if you competitively play i'm probably sure some of your pokemon aren't legitamite.

I really don't have a problem with that unless the stats, abilities, moveset aren't available without the hack (no wondertomb)

well whatever i guess some people are just too stuck up and want everything perfect on their games,
if it doesn't make the game unfair then why care how it happened?

 

[Volroc]

The point is you happily clone 6 level 100 Arceus's and that's all fine and dandy, but when someone spawns a shiny level 2 Politoed to train you flip out. You're taking advantage of it in the same way. It's not what you're doing, it's how big a prick you are when you do it.

ya i agree on ya there
i got a lv100 flygon shiny that i caught on my diamond on 201 so i had more time with it, instead of caughtin at lv50 and raisin it only half way :(
same for my shiny metagross
and the shiny currently lv40 arecus (i caught it at lv1 tho)
and people totally freak cuz i did that, and im just like,i wanted more time with my pokemon, to really bond with them.
and when i dont have wifi, i cant exactly caught certain pokemon,so i use AR to obtain them for the pokedex *Shrugs* i dont get why thats so bad, plus events are hell, if i miss it,im usin AR to do it,since i lost out on my only chance ya know?

 

[shookie]

The point is you happily clone 6 level 100 Arceus's and that's all fine and dandy, but when someone spawns a shiny level 2 Politoed to train you flip out.

That would depend on a case-by-case basis, then.

Let's say somebody took the time to RNG breed a near-flawless shiny Jolly Poliwag. They then took the time to EV train it and trade it to evolve it into a Politoed. Keep in mind there's also a lot of time that's invested in RNG breeding as well. A friend of theirs sees this Politoed, is jealous, and wants one in return for their...I dunno, Clamperl, or something. The original somebody wants to keep their Politoed for themselves because they worked hard on it, but they also reeeeally want the Politoed, so they make a clone of it, and it's a win/win.

Now, you get Mr. Hacker who devises a code to ensure that he'll catch a shiny Politoed in the wild that has flawless IVs and the nature he wants, so he does, uses the code, and catches a level 3 Politoed in the middle of Route 211. He uses the same code system/device to automatically give that Politoed the right EV spread and the best moves possible. The same Clamperl dude sees the Politoed and offers his Clamperl again, Mr. Hacker goes "lol okay" and the trade is done.

Now, imagine you're Mr. Clamperl and you're in the same situation as Guy #1. You took the time to breed a near-perfect Clamperl with really good stats and spend in-game money and time to train it so its little clammy self was all beefed up. It'd be fair to get something in return that had the same time and effort put into it, even if it's a copy, correct?
Pretend that Mr. Hacker offered you his Politoed that, upon receiving, you realize was hacked and he probably spent more time microwaving a burrito than training the Politoed. You basically spent a whole day on something that was traded for another something that took the guy maybe an hour to do.

I'm just trying to say that I don't see the problem with cloning as long as the host was something that was legitimately obtained. Obviously obsessively cloning a level 100 shiny Arceus that you caught in Jubilife City isn't okay, because you had to use a hack to get the Arceus in the first place. You wouldn't make and sell copies of stolen art, would you?

You're taking advantage of it in the same way. It's not what you're doing, it's how big a prick you are when you do it.

That's all up to the person. People see hacking as a sign of being lazy and finding ways to get around things that everybody else has/had to go through. Sure, you can RNG as many whatevers as you want, but you probably don't have the time to, and it's just a lot easier to do it once and make copies than it is to do it over and over and over and over.

 

[Volroc]

That would depend on a case-by-case basis, then.

Let's say somebody took the time to RNG breed a near-flawless shiny Jolly Poliwag. They then took the time to EV train it and trade it to evolve it into a Politoed. Keep in mind there's also a lot of time that's invested in RNG breeding as well. A friend of theirs sees this Politoed, is jealous, and wants one in return for their...I dunno, Clamperl, or something. The original somebody wants to keep their Politoed for themselves because they worked hard on it, but they also reeeeally want the Politoed, so they make a clone of it, and it's a win/win.

Now, you get Mr. Hacker who devises a code to ensure that he'll catch a shiny Politoed in the wild that has flawless IVs and the nature he wants, so he does, uses the code, and catches a level 3 Politoed in the middle of Route 211. He uses the same code system/device to automatically give that Politoed the right EV spread and the best moves possible. The same Clamperl dude sees the Politoed and offers his Clamperl again, Mr. Hacker goes "lol okay" and the trade is done.

Now, imagine you're Mr. Clamperl and you're in the same situation as Guy #1. You took the time to breed a near-perfect Clamperl with really good stats and spend in-game money and time to train it so its little clammy self was all beefed up. It'd be fair to get something in return that had the same time and effort put into it, even if it's a copy, correct?
Pretend that Mr. Hacker offered you his Politoed that, upon receiving, you realize was hacked and he probably spent more time microwaving a burrito than training the Politoed. You basically spent a whole day on something that was traded for another something that took the guy maybe an hour to do.

I'm just trying to say that I don't see the problem with cloning as long as the host was something that was legitimately obtained. Obviously obsessively cloning a level 100 shiny Arceus that you caught in Jubilife City isn't okay, because you had to use a hack to get the Arceus in the first place. You wouldn't make and sell copies of stolen art, would you?

That's all up to the person. People see hacking as a sign of being lazy and finding ways to get around things that everybody else has/had to go through. Sure, you can RNG as many whatevers as you want, but you probably don't have the time to, and it's just a lot easier to do it once and make copies than it is to do it over and over and over and over.

Just to Clearify everyone:

I WOULD NEVER DO WHAT MR.HACKER DOES IN THIS SITUATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the most i have ever done was encounter the pokemon at a lower level than it usually is, that is all ive ever done, usually at lake verity, or route 201-204
i just like to raise my pokemon from as low level as possible ^^"
ive always put hard work& effort into raisin my pokemon
i hope no one considers me like Mr.Hacker....
cuz i dont wanna be like that,i would never do sumthin so dishonorable, and pathetic, it goes against everythin i believe in.

 

[Great Mazinger]

I often clone pokes to transfer them from HG/SS to Plat without bothering with two DSs.

It's pretty cool, and I even get the Pokédex registration when using SendPKM.

 

[JakeyBoy]

I'd be pretty pissed if I had a Pokemon that was byte for byte identical to several other ones. If any REAL effort had gone in this dude would have bred another shiny lazy Politoed, or whatever you were talking about. Both cloning and hacking perfect 'mons are done for the same reason: to save ridiculous amounts of time. So in one situation one of them actually got trained by hand. I'd still feel really bad if my strongest monster was the result of the trainer not bothering and just exploiting a glitch to get something strong. How is that different from using a device to edit the code to get something strong? I don't even see the point in arguing this anymore.

 

[Volroc]

I'd be pretty pissed if I had a Pokemon that was byte for byte identical to several other ones. If any REAL effort had gone in this dude would have bred another shiny lazy Politoed, or whatever you were talking about. Both cloning and hacking perfect 'mons are done for the same reason: to save ridiculous amounts of time. So in one situation one of them actually got trained by hand. I'd still feel really bad if my strongest monster was the result of the trainer not bothering and just exploiting a glitch to get something strong. How is that different from using a device to edit the code to get something strong? I don't even see the point in arguing this anymore.

maybe you should just shut up and not trade on wifi anymore then, i mean seriously 99% of the shiny pokemon out there were either RGN, ARed, or Cloned
cuz if you have traded,i can guarantee you 1of those pokemon are either Cloned, Hacked, ARed, or RGNed.
(Cloned being the MOST likely)
and you would never know unless the person told you.

i always state on my thread whether i cloned or not, cuz i believed the wackos who worry bout that stuff have a right to ignore my service if they wanna be that picky.

 

[shookie]

I'd be pretty pissed if I had a Pokemon that was byte for byte identical to several other ones. If any REAL effort had gone in this dude would have bred another shiny lazy Politoed, or whatever you were talking about. Both cloning and hacking perfect 'mons are done for the same reason: to save ridiculous amounts of time. So in one situation one of them actually got trained by hand. I'd still feel really bad if my strongest monster was the result of the trainer not bothering and just exploiting a glitch to get something strong. How is that different from using a device to edit the code to get something strong? I don't even see the point in arguing this anymore.

I get what you're trying to say and I do agree with you to a certain degree...but I'm a little confused with:

I'd still feel really bad if my strongest monster was the result of the trainer not bothering and just exploiting a glitch to get something strong. How is that different from using a device to edit the code to get something strong?

The situation I brought forward didn't involve any exploits to get anything strong, unless of course you consider RNG Abuse to be an exploit. If it was just luck-of-the-draw breeding then it doesn't use an exploit. Cloning does absolutely nothing to the Pokémon in question. All of the effort to make a Pokémon strong is on the trainer's behalf when they breed/EV train/what have you by themselves, on their own time. Using a device is just something that messes with the insides of the game to do everything for you. Baking cookies versus just going to the bakery and buying them, things like that.

I dunno, I just don't see how "bleep bloop bleep I has a mega Pogeyman and forty just like it" is better than "here have a copy of this Pokémon I've trained since birth."

 

[Death_Mande]

^ Is what I do. I take my freakin' time breeding flawless Pokémon, clone and give them away, practically for free. I either Release the Pokémon I get. use it as a Parent or send it to my HG for in-game use.

As for Cloning meaning the same as Hacking, it depends on how you're cloning it.

If it's the GTS, then there's no similarity. Just exploiting a Glitch.

With the AR, it's 50/50 IMO. You're not hacking the Pokémon, but the AR modifies the way the in-game PC moves the Pokémon. I don't know if I'm right on this, but I read something a few years ago that the PC clones your Pokémon when you pick it up and then deletes the one at the Box's spot.

If you don't want to trade to someone or somewhere that you know that they/he/she massively clone, simply don't trade there/with him/with her :/

 

[Volroc]

^ Is what I do. I take my freakin' time breeding flawless Pokémon, clone and give them away, practically for free. I either Release the Pokémon I get. use it as a Parent or send it to my HG for in-game use.

As for Cloning meaning the same as Hacking, it depends on how you're cloning it.

If it's the GTS, then there's no similarity. Just exploiting a Glitch.

With the AR, it's 50/50 IMO. You're not hacking the Pokémon, but the AR modifies the way the in-game PC moves the Pokémon. I don't know if I'm right on this, but I read something a few years ago that the PC clones your Pokémon when you pick it up and then deletes the one at the Box's spot.

If you don't want to trade to someone or somewhere that you know that they/he/she massively clone, simply don't trade there/with him/with her :/

when i AR clone i take an empty spot, then move the pokemon to another box,and move back and the same spot has the pokemon as if i never moved it, so i basically get 2for nuthin.
i had that same glitch on silver version, AR just allows me to duplicate the porcess infinite times, so i can make everyone happy ^_^

 

[Dylan1]

i don't like cloning because it makes pokemon that are supposed to be rare readily available. Hopefully in black and white there is no cloning so rare pkmn become rare again. And clones dont have souls. Cept mewtwo

 

[Volroc]

i don't like cloning because it makes pokemon that are supposed to be rare readily available. Hopefully in black and white there is no cloning so rare pkmn become rare again. And clones dont have souls. Cept mewtwo

so if you had no events, and no wifi to get them..... how would you react then?
knowin half your game was unaccessable

 

[Jerme]

why dont people just get over clones...they're just sprites is what it boils down to. no need to treat them like diamonds, wether theyre authinic or fake

 

[Dylan1]

so if you had no events, and no wifi to get them..... how would you react then?
knowin half your game was unaccessable

Id react the same as i did before i found this site. I didnt care about events. I only have 3 now. And i havent been asking for more either. I hardly even touch pkmn i get in trades anyway. And it's way more satisfying to catch rare pkmn than get them in a trade

And events arent half of the game

 

[Volroc]

Id react the same as i did before i found this site. I didnt care about events. I only have 3 now. And i havent been asking for more either. I hardly even touch pkmn i get in trades anyway. And it's way more satisfying to catch rare pkmn than get them in a trade

And events arent half of the game

half the storyline :P

eh im satisfied wit catchin my main team :P and my favs :P

 

[Dylan1]

half the storyline :P

eh im satisfied wit catchin my main team :P and my favs :P

More like 7.379% of the storyline. Get it right