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As we all know the pokemon metagame normally tends to have different usage unbalaced levels that we usually call ¨tiers¨ and even with them only few people actually bother to use some pokemon like pachirisu but pokemon like unown are left forgotten. As we all know Nintendo fixed poorly or unused pokemon, but however they didn´t fix all of them leaving a bitter taste to millions of players and their favorite mons.
So why not modify ¨Those¨ pokemon in order to reach a more balance gameplay? making them competitive for fun or at least for a a hack rom purpose in the future. The Idea here is to give one or two permanent new useful roles to most sucky pokemon making them viable enough to tie with OU pokemon performances or at least giving them the potential to play in it and also making new roles for some already good pokemon or even making them a bit better aswell. This will cause a major Tier reduction since there will be more balance and of course not forgetting to give each pokemon their own individuality. But this is too much work for just one person and i´ll be needing help to complete this.
Next i´ll place some information you must read to contribute and then my initial list.
Before Contributing
- You can only propose a max of two new abilities per pokemon.
- You can only suggest up to four new moves per pokemon and only one of those four moves can be an old platinum/or 3rd gen tutor move.
- You must include in your post how they will learn each move; Egg, Lvl or TM (this is assuming a future B/W Hackroom but also works to stop some undesireable twisted egg move combinations and so on)
- When suggesting a new or old move as an egg/level up move make sure that the pokemon doesnt learn another attacks in that level and that the pokemon is in the same egg group as another pokemon who learns that attack, for this you can consult and online pokedex (again possible hack room purposes)
- Give mainly obvious and logical moves/abilities to every pokemon for example Octillery has no arms therefore you cant use elemental punches or the ability Iron Fist on it. (pokedex info, manga and real animal related species can help on this subject, in other words use logic)
- Limit or prevent the suggestion of possible broken combinations. For example; proposing huge power or pure power on a pokemon that has more than 230 max atk or wonderguard spiritomb with magic coat and so on.
- Argument the reasons of each new moves or abilities for your desired pokemon right away. In other words make sure everything you suggest is viable on the selected pokemon to ease the process and if you may even post the new moveset and evs for how will it play.
- Keep in mind that since this is for a competitive modified pokemon many of the current metagame rules will apply, such as not overpassing the evs or ivs limit, sleep clause etc.
-This is project is mainly for Pokemon B/W but some changes may be useful for older gens hacks too.
To begin things off i will leave a list of the inital ones i thought about for you to discuss and aprove or not the changes and since its a list i will not emphasize on the arguments on them right away because it will be too long, so figure it out on your own and then talk about it or simply ask why X pokemon has X move/ability so we can discuss it.
Initial Fix-A-Pokemon List;
Arbok//Dragon Dance (Egg not compatible with sucker punch)
Ariados & Spinarak/Prankster
Bisharp & Pawniard/Weak Armor
Butterfree// Windstorm (Lvl 54), Focus Blast (TM 52),
Crawdaunt// Agility (Egg not compatible with dragon dance)
Delcatty & Skitty/Prankster
Delibird/Huge Power/ Encore (egg), snatch (egg) (both not compatible with quick attack)
Dodrio & Doduo/Quickfeet/Extreme speed (Lvl 65), Sky Uppercut(Lvl 57), Fake Out (Lvl 25)
Drifblin & Drifloon//Wish (Egg not compatible with baton pass)
Dugtrio/Technician
Gothitelle, Gothorita & Gothita//Perish Song (level 21)
Houndoom// Work Up (TM83)
Kakuna// Toxic (TM06), Protect (TM17), Rest (TM44)
Kingler & Krabby/Weak Armor
kyurem/Snow warning
Lickylicky//Recover (Egg not compatible with curse)
Lumineon & Finneon//Quiver Dance (Lvl 62)
Magnezone/ Levitate
Mawile//Shift Gear (Lvl 61)
Meganium/Filter
Nidoqueen/Multiscale/ Sleep Talk (Egg)
Noctowl & Hoot Hoot/Prankster/ Glare (Lvl 15)
Pachirisu/No Guard/Zap Cannon (Egg)
Raikou// Extreme Speed (Lvl 60), Volt Tackle (Lvl 88), Howl (Lvl 53)
Sharpedo & Carvanha// Fake Out (Lvl 23), Work Up (TM83), Final Gambith (Egg not compatible with Hydro Pump)
Slaking// Volt Switch (Egg), Role Play (Egg) (Role play not compatible with curse )
Snorlax/Poison Heal/ Drain Punch (Egg not compatible with Sleep talk)
Steelix & Onix/Solid Rock/ Seismic Toss
Torterra/ Thick Fat
As you can see this initial list still lacks some moves or abilitys for some of the pokemon in it, but there are many pokemons that are fixed just by simply giving them a new ability/move or several, so you can suggest anything that´s this pokes are still lacking and start talking, analizing and contributing, when we get good sets i´ll add them to the list once they´re done !
https://projectpokemon.org/forums/s...%28Pok%E9mon-Improving%29&p=134443#post134443
As we all know the pokemon metagame normally tends to have different usage unbalaced levels that we usually call ¨tiers¨ and even with them only few people actually bother to use some pokemon like pachirisu but pokemon like unown are left forgotten. As we all know Nintendo fixed poorly or unused pokemon, but however they didn´t fix all of them leaving a bitter taste to millions of players and their favorite mons.
So why not modify ¨Those¨ pokemon in order to reach a more balance gameplay? making them competitive for fun or at least for a a hack rom purpose in the future. The Idea here is to give one or two permanent new useful roles to most sucky pokemon making them viable enough to tie with OU pokemon performances or at least giving them the potential to play in it and also making new roles for some already good pokemon or even making them a bit better aswell. This will cause a major Tier reduction since there will be more balance and of course not forgetting to give each pokemon their own individuality. But this is too much work for just one person and i´ll be needing help to complete this.
Next i´ll place some information you must read to contribute and then my initial list.
Before Contributing
- You can only propose a max of two new abilities per pokemon.
- You can only suggest up to four new moves per pokemon and only one of those four moves can be an old platinum/or 3rd gen tutor move.
- You must include in your post how they will learn each move; Egg, Lvl or TM (this is assuming a future B/W Hackroom but also works to stop some undesireable twisted egg move combinations and so on)
- When suggesting a new or old move as an egg/level up move make sure that the pokemon doesnt learn another attacks in that level and that the pokemon is in the same egg group as another pokemon who learns that attack, for this you can consult and online pokedex (again possible hack room purposes)
- Give mainly obvious and logical moves/abilities to every pokemon for example Octillery has no arms therefore you cant use elemental punches or the ability Iron Fist on it. (pokedex info, manga and real animal related species can help on this subject, in other words use logic)
- Limit or prevent the suggestion of possible broken combinations. For example; proposing huge power or pure power on a pokemon that has more than 230 max atk or wonderguard spiritomb with magic coat and so on.
- Argument the reasons of each new moves or abilities for your desired pokemon right away. In other words make sure everything you suggest is viable on the selected pokemon to ease the process and if you may even post the new moveset and evs for how will it play.
- Keep in mind that since this is for a competitive modified pokemon many of the current metagame rules will apply, such as not overpassing the evs or ivs limit, sleep clause etc.
-This is project is mainly for Pokemon B/W but some changes may be useful for older gens hacks too.
To begin things off i will leave a list of the inital ones i thought about for you to discuss and aprove or not the changes and since its a list i will not emphasize on the arguments on them right away because it will be too long, so figure it out on your own and then talk about it or simply ask why X pokemon has X move/ability so we can discuss it.
Initial Fix-A-Pokemon List;
Arbok//Dragon Dance (Egg not compatible with sucker punch)
Ariados & Spinarak/Prankster
Bisharp & Pawniard/Weak Armor
Butterfree// Windstorm (Lvl 54), Focus Blast (TM 52),
Crawdaunt// Agility (Egg not compatible with dragon dance)
Delcatty & Skitty/Prankster
Delibird/Huge Power/ Encore (egg), snatch (egg) (both not compatible with quick attack)
Dodrio & Doduo/Quickfeet/Extreme speed (Lvl 65), Sky Uppercut(Lvl 57), Fake Out (Lvl 25)
Drifblin & Drifloon//Wish (Egg not compatible with baton pass)
Dugtrio/Technician
Gothitelle, Gothorita & Gothita//Perish Song (level 21)
Houndoom// Work Up (TM83)
Kakuna// Toxic (TM06), Protect (TM17), Rest (TM44)
Kingler & Krabby/Weak Armor
kyurem/Snow warning
Lickylicky//Recover (Egg not compatible with curse)
Lumineon & Finneon//Quiver Dance (Lvl 62)
Magnezone/ Levitate
Mawile//Shift Gear (Lvl 61)
Meganium/Filter
Nidoqueen/Multiscale/ Sleep Talk (Egg)
Noctowl & Hoot Hoot/Prankster/ Glare (Lvl 15)
Pachirisu/No Guard/Zap Cannon (Egg)
Raikou// Extreme Speed (Lvl 60), Volt Tackle (Lvl 88), Howl (Lvl 53)
Sharpedo & Carvanha// Fake Out (Lvl 23), Work Up (TM83), Final Gambith (Egg not compatible with Hydro Pump)
Slaking// Volt Switch (Egg), Role Play (Egg) (Role play not compatible with curse )
Snorlax/Poison Heal/ Drain Punch (Egg not compatible with Sleep talk)
Steelix & Onix/Solid Rock/ Seismic Toss
Torterra/ Thick Fat
As you can see this initial list still lacks some moves or abilitys for some of the pokemon in it, but there are many pokemons that are fixed just by simply giving them a new ability/move or several, so you can suggest anything that´s this pokes are still lacking and start talking, analizing and contributing, when we get good sets i´ll add them to the list once they´re done !
https://projectpokemon.org/forums/s...%28Pok%E9mon-Improving%29&p=134443#post134443
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