Couter list for Ou's, and such.

[Sora_8920]

Lucario-, Depends on which it is, I suggest using Skarmbliss.

Skarmbliss- Mixed Sweeper such as Infernape, will make quick work of them, with Close Combat and Flamethrower.

Gengar- Oh boy, Spiritomb can make quick work of this guy with Calm Mind and Dark Pulse.

Scarfcross- Skarmory should make quick work of it with Drilk Peck, and resits all of it's attacks.

-Tyranitar Infernape with Close Combat again, will OHKO him.

-Taunt/DDdos Gengar with Thunderbolt, will Ko it.

-Specsmence, Milotic with Ice Beam, And Porygon-Z will Ko it. As it resists all of it's moves.

-Metagross Agility makes it a toughie, Infernape plus Flamethrower, before it get's an Agility in should Ko it Or Garchomp with either Earthquake or Fire Blast. Edit: Swampert too.


Porygon-Z- Blissey with Seismic Toss, makes a good counter for it.

-Rhyperior Skarm with Whirlwind and spikes, will toss it around. =p. And Porygon-Z

-Garchomp Again, Milotic with Ice Beam, makes a good counter for it.

-Magnezone Garchomp.

-Bronzong Garchomp with Fire Blast.

-Infernape Skarmory with Drill Peck.

-Dugtrio Skarmory.

Blissey (Seprate). Close Combat Infernape/Heracross.

Any form (Physical, Mixed, and Special). Of Salamence,

Gengar/**mcicegar 3rd Gen @:Wide Lens
Trait: Levitate
Timid Nature
Ice Punch
Hypnosis
Will-o-Wisp
Shadow Ball.

Vire. Dugtrio with Earthquake, as long as it doesn't have Motor Drive's speed in even once.

Azelf Scarfcross is the counter for it.

**Scarfcross @:Choice Scarf
Trait: Guts
Adamant Nature
Stone Edge
Pursuit
Megahorn
Close Combat.

Alakazam Bronzong with Explosion. Spritomb plus Pursuit.

Milotic Thunerpunch with Agilitygross should be able to be a good counter for it, otherwise, Grass Knot Starmie.






Part: II Credits.
Credits: Me, so far. If anybody adds something, I will give credit to them. Richard

 

[Angelic Diablo]

You could do Skarm and Bliss seperately, they aren't only used together you know

Skarm counters - Magnezone, steel pull traps it, Thunderbolt kills it

Bliss counters - Almost any Physical sweeper

I like how you defy the OU by what item they are holding, yet the item alone doesnt make them OU, it's their stats and movepool as well, so don't have Specsmence, have Salamence, no Scarfcross, but Heracross

It's like your saying that if you don't have mence with specs then you fail with mence, and likewise with hera and CS

 

[Anti]

Yes, I noticed the same thing. CBcross has always owned me...and same with CBmence. Problem is, there are many pokes missing...azelf and many of the legendaries...and Zam. And where is Vire?

 

[Azonic]

There are many missing.

Steelix, Milotic, Garchomp, Specsmence

 

[Anti]

Specsmence is on there...and I thought steelix was BL? Too early to tell...but yeah, I'd complete it first...

 

[mustbe18toryde]

Countering Weavile (which is capable of 5-6-oing an entire team) as well as MixedApe.

EDIT~Just realized you put Gyarados up there.

 

[Sora_8920]

Countering Weavile (which is capable of 5-6-oing an entire team) as well as MixedApe.

EDIT~Just realized you put Gyarados up there.

Okay. Thanks for all the comments, guys. Will edit it now.

 

[Lumine]

What about a Bold Milotic? just wondering

 

[Sora_8920]

What about a Bold Milotic? just wondering

I put that up there, already. Also, Penguin, I had already put a counter for Garchomp up there. It's underlined now.

 

[Lumine]

Then what do you do when her Marvel Scale is activated and Aqua Ring is in play?

 

[Sora_8920]

Then what do you do when her Marvel Scale is activated and Aqua Ring is in play?[/QUOTE]

Most people won't use Aqua ring on Milotic. I was wondering if Haze, would get rid of the 1.5 bonus. Honchrow can do this very well.

 

[Lumine]

Ah cheers I like your list, But just letting you know Bliss isnt OHKO with Close Combat, a Rhyperior Hammer Armed my Bliss and it survived with yellow HP, maybe the dude made him a wall or something >.< I dunno the world can surprise us sometimes you'll never know XD

 

[Sora_8920]

Ah cheers I like your list, But just letting you know Bliss isnt OHKO with Close Combat, a Rhyperior Hammer Armed my Bliss and it survived with yellow HP, maybe the dude made him a wall or something >.< I dunno the world can surprise us sometimes you'll never know XD

Max defense, yeah, but you're just gonna have to assume they don't ev train. As well as pray. Assuming that you have very little hp left, Seismic Toss is usually what Blissey users use as a move. 100 Hp taken away might not be much of a threat, but later in the battle, it will become one. As long as they don't have a ghost type such as Dusknoir, Gengar, etc.

 

[Faceless*]

Itachi, even with Skarmorys mass defense, He can't take Rhyperior's Stone Edge too well

Other than that, Milotic isn't the only Beamer around. You could've suggested Ice Beaming Porygon-Z, Starmie, or Weavile w/ Ice Punch or Pursuit to make sure they take some damage

 

[Lumine]

Bliss is just the most hated wall ever known to Poke battlers XD then Skarm -.- I like Forretress better than Skarm although Im training a Skarm now to see which one I feel more comfortable with

 

[Sora_8920]

Itachi, even with Skarmorys mass defense, He can't take Rhyperior's Stone Edge too well

Other than that, Milotic isn't the only Beamer around. You could've suggested Ice Beaming Porygon-Z, Starmie, or Weavile w/ Ice Punch or Pursuit to make sure they take some damage

I'll put that up there, and then start ev training. (Diamond).

 

[Faceless*]

Bliss is just the most hated wall ever known to Poke battlers XD then Skarm -.- I like Forretress better than Skarm although Im training a Skarm now to see which one I feel more comfortable with

Yes Blissey is really hated O.o I even fear her... that damn fatty walls my Garchomp then uses Counter

 

[Sora_8920]

Yes Blissey is really hated O.o I even fear her... that damn fatty walls my Garchomp then uses Counter

That's because, if they can't get Seismic Toss, then they use Counter for Physical Ou's who can attack very well. (High Base Attack). It's a very good alternate for Seismic Toss. And if that's the case, Theen obviously Garchomp with Swords Dance, is a good move to up your stats. Then start sweeping, if you can get in a couple Swords Dance, then he is an absolute beast.

Garchomp @:Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Veil
Adamant Nature
Earthquake
Swords Dance (Obviously the first move your gonna use, when facing that darn pink blob).
Fire Blast (Don't use it agenist Blissey. Ever).
Dragon Claw/Outrage. This Set beg's you to use him as a lead. This set, basiacally makes him "invincible", if you will.

 

[Richard Lynch]

Swampert makes the ultimate best Metagross counter. It resists it's best attack, immune to Thunderpunch, and takes trivial damage from Earthquake, and can fire back STAB Earthquakes of his own.

There are a few corrections I'd like to make, but it'll have to wait until I get home from work.

Oh, and the best way to counter Alakazam?

Spiritomb + Pursuit.

Spiritomb is immune to two of the most common moves on Alakazam: Psychic and Focus Blast. If you switch in on one of those (especially if it's Choice Specs Alakazam), then you've got a simple KO.

Weavile also makes a good one, for the same reasons. He's got to be Jolly, though, so he can outrun Alakazam to the kill. Or Pursuit if you predict a switch. Same goes for Starmie and Gengar; I've had my Starmie massacred many times by Weavile.

 

[Bishopk]

This thread begs the question:
And how do you counter these counters?