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[Just Darth]

Bronzong
move 1: ??
move 2: Stealth Rock
move 3: Gyro Ball
move 4: Explosion
item: Leftovers
ability: Levitate
nature: Sassy
evs: 252 HP / 84 Atk / 80 Def / 92 SpD

My Lead, with trick from Platinum, cripples anything that can cause a problem to my team. Macho brace greatly improves the power of Gyro ball, while its attached to it at least. SR first turn. then when he's gonna die, he 'splodes!

name: Heatran
move 1: Fire Blast
move 2: Earth Power
move 3: Dragon Pulse
move 4: Explosion
item: Choice Scarf
nature: Hasty/Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

Jumping on the flaming volcano thing wagon. With no access to HP ice, DP seems like the next best thing. With Bronzong already able to 'splode, I'm not sure if I should keep explosion there. Also gives me fire immunity, which help the rest of my team.

name: Scizor
move 1: U-Turn
move 2: Brick Break
move 3: Bullet Punch
move 4: Pursuit
item: Choice Band
nature: Adamant
evs: 250 HP/252 AT/ 12 Speed

CB scizor is deadly, especially with Bullet Punch in its arsenal. 12 speed EV's outsped other CB scizors and also horrible thing that is 'Scizor Killer' Magnezone.

Forretress
Spikes
~ Gyro Ball/EQ
~ Rapid Spin/Reflect/Light Screen
~ Light Screen/Reflect/Rapid Spin
252 HP / 162 Atk / 96 Def
Leftovers
Relaxed

Forry is a beast, possibly the best physical defender. No explosion is needed as 1/2 pokemon already have it in their arsenal. so I decided that a supporting move will help. Gyro ball or EQ is another predicament.

Milotic
~ Surf
~ HP Electric
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
Calm
Leftovers
252 HP / 220 Def / 36 SpA

A beast! Rest activates marvel Scale , and then its kinda impossible to kill. No much else to say.

Lucario
~ Close Combat
~ Swords Dance
~ ExtremeSpeed
~ HP Ice
Lonely
Life Orb

SD Luke, my end of game sweeper, when things are down this guy really kicks them! Dragon Pulse or another special move is being considered to help against physical walls. after 1 or 2 SDs its rather strong.

Note:please try not to suggest any platinum only moves if you can, as they cost quite a bit as I dont have it...

 

[Dark Azelf]

I edited out your pics, due to the above happening XP.


Ill add some pics that work to your post to save you the trouble if you want ?


On milotic id advise hp electric >>ice beam/toxic as Gyarados will cause problems...or if you cant get it on Milotic you CAN use Zap cannon on forry but i wouldnt advise that >_<..

 

[Just Darth]

Thanks for helping me out with the pics. Also would puttiing stone edge on Luke be enough to deal with Dos?

 

[Dark Azelf]

Thanks for helping me out with the pics. Also would puttiing stone edge on Luke be enough to deal with Dos?

Well not really since it outspeeds you after a dd and ohko's. But preventing dos from coming in much along with Hp electric on milo and/or zap cannon on forry it should limit its switching in which should be ok.

And np about the pics.

 

[Just Darth]

Will Dos outrun Scarftran after a DD? I could add SE to that instead of 'splosion.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Will Dos outrun Scarftran after a DD? I could add SE to that instead of 'splosion.

Jolly ones do yes.


And stone edge coming from heatrans mediocre attack wont scratch it.

 

[Just Darth]

Hmm, I could do that it would help and would provide T-wave support. I'll think about P-2

 

[Zetta-Chan]

You have a HUGE fire weakness, with Scizor, Bronzong, Forrestress, and Lucario you have a whopping 12X weakness to fire. If Milotic goes down and Heatran go down, your in trouble, I suggest trading Forry for a differnent Rapid spinner such as Starmie or Tentacruel. Both help with your fire weakness, and have rapid spin. Some sets:



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Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid / Natural Cure
160 HP / 132 SpA / 216 Spe
- T-Bolt / Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf

Or



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Tentacruel @ Leftovers/Black Sludge
Calm / Liquid Ooze
204 HP / 96 SpA / 172 SpD / 36 Spe
- Surf
- Ice Beam / Sludge Bomb
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic Spikes / Giga Drain / HP [Electric]



I personnally pefer the Tentacruel set but it is up to you, good luck with the team.


Haha, the Pichu picture, luckily D_A fixed it up.


EDIT: Put HP [Electric] as an option to get rid of a Gyara weakness.

 

[Dark Azelf]

You have a HUGE fire weakness, with Scizor, Bronzong, Forrestress, and Lucario you have a whopping 12X weakness to fire. If Milotic goes down and Heatran go down, your in trouble, I suggest trading Forry for a differnent Rapid spinner such as Starmie.



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Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid / Natural Cure
160 HP / 132 SpA / 216 Spe
- T-Bolt / Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf



Haha, the Pichu picture, luckily D_A fixed it up.

If Milotic goes down and Heatran go down, your in trouble,

Then he isnt weak to fire since he has counters =p.


Also starmie doesnt help him since it looses to gyarados unless you use bold max hp /176 def, as LO Gyarados ohko's your starmie spread with SR up.



EDIT : - Tenta doesnt help either due to that dieing to Dos's EQ =o.

 

[Just Darth]

I dont really need a Spinner, and there arn't many other spikers so I'd like to keep Forry personally. The point is though milotic resists it, and Heatran is immue to it, so that helps alot! D_A beat me to it

 

[Tangrowth]

Nice, thourough Grass-type rating coming to you!

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Bronzong

Right you wanted to make use of the Macho Brace to decrease your Speed so enchance Gyro Ball's power, but yet, you want to Trick it onto opponents? That way, your strategy is ruined. Using the standard lead Bronzong EV Spread, you've already got a pleasant amount of power on Gyro Ball; you've got STAB, a decent attack stat and a Speed-decreasing nature. The only other useful thing you can do now (unless you've done so already), is wipe out all the Speed IVs as well. That way, you've got 63 Speed, and at least 200 Attack - surely that's enough power you need on Gyro Ball!

You'd be better off paralyzing the opponent, rather than Tricking your offensive strategy over in order to cripple their sweepers. You'd fare better with Leftovers to increase your Tanking capabilities. But Trick and Macho Brace are my only concerns on this Bronzong. The rest is fine. Nice try, but you'd be safer with a Standard set.

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Heatran

Dragon Pulse and Earth Power give you an un-resisted combination, apart from Levitating Bronzong, and you're limited to at a time anyway, thanks to the Choice Scarf. Abusing ScarfTran's power can result in the saying "Accuracy over power". In this case, you've got an option; you can go with the much more reckless and burly Fire Blast, putting your chances of missing beside the chances of One Hit KOing, or you can live with Flamethrower - my personal prefered attack over Fire Blast. It may not have as much power as Fire Blast, but only Brightpowder, Sand Veil and Snow Cloak stand in it's way to hitting a secure blow. You've got STAB and 359 Special Attack at most, so you don't neccesarily have to go with Fire Blast because of it's power. I'd go with Flamethrower myself.

Your ask for help for Explosion; think - do you really need 2 Suicide Pokemon? You may want to Explode that Heatran to destroy a wall, but you may have needed it later. Bronzong, as a lead, deserves it, because you're mainly setting up with it, rather than sweeping. If you do decide to rid that bomb that rests inside your living volcano, I'd probably go with a least-expected filling option - Flash Cannon or Hidden Power Grass. You've got STAB. I know it doesn't really help you, but you never really know, do you? Besides, after Explosion and the obvious Fire Attack, Earth Power and Dragon Pulse, Heatran is stuck for ideas. So it is just a filler really. Hidden Power Grass gives you the power of destroying Swampert.

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Scizor

I'm loving what you've done here, but that EV Spread is illegal and impossible. It's probably a typo, but the EV spread (I think) SHOULD be: 246 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Spd - however, you'd only really need an extra 4 EVs in Speed to outspeed normal Choice Band Scizors.

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Forrestress

Seeing as you've already set up Stealth Rock with Bronzong, Forretress is allowed some extra bonuses that not all Forrys get. You're Relaxed Nature, Steel type - Gyro Ball has GOT to be the best option over those 2. You wanna keep Rapid Spin so that you can bring in your other Pokemon without a scratch. Spikes is definate, and for the last one, I'd say Rest... you're all laughing, but seeing as you're not blowing up, you're calming down. Most may switch when you send it in on a Blissey or something with horrid Defence, expecting a boom, but you can quietly restore your HP. This can give you an advantage for later game, when you're attempting to use Forretress as a last resort. Cut out all the Speed IVs if you're going to use Gyro Ball to enchance power.



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Milotic

Standard Rest-Talker. I'd agree with Azelf with Hidden Power Electric, because you don't really have any coverage over Gyarados. This way, after a Rest, Gyara can't really harm you but you can punish the hell outta him for even attempting to hurt you!

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Lucario

Standard SD Lucario, but your last option concerns me just as it does you. Hippowdon is gonna laugh at you, so if you knock off some Speed EVs, go Lonely Nature, make room for some Special Attack EVs and shove Hidden Power Ice in, you would then have some hope on Hippow.

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[Zetta-Chan]

Then he isnt weak to fire since he has counters =p.


Also starmie doesnt help him since it looses to gyarados unless you use bold max hp /176 def, as LO Gyarados ohko's your starmie spread with SR up.



EDIT : - Tenta doesnt help either due to that dieing to Dos's EQ =o.

:O Wasn't thinking. Your totally right.

 

[Just Darth]

Nice, thourough Grass-type rating coming to you!

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Bronzong

Right you wanted to make use of the Macho Brace to decrease your Speed so enchance Gyro Ball's power, but yet, you want to Trick it onto opponents? That way, your strategy is ruined. Using the standard lead Bronzong EV Spread, you've already got a pleasant amount of power on Gyro Ball; you've got STAB, a decent attack stat and a Speed-decreasing nature. The only other useful thing you can do now (unless you've done so already), is wipe out all the Speed IVs as well. That way, you've got 63 Speed, and at least 200 Attack - surely that's enough power you need on Gyro Ball!

You'd be better off paralyzing the opponent, rather than Tricking your offensive strategy over in order to cripple their sweepers. You'd fare better with Leftovers to increase your Tanking capabilities. But Trick and Macho Brace are my only concerns on this Bronzong. The rest is fine. Nice try, but you'd be safer with a Standard set.

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Heatran

Dragon Pulse and Earth Power give you an un-resisted combination, apart from Levitating Bronzong, and you're limited to at a time anyway, thanks to the Choice Scarf. Abusing ScarfTran's power can result in the saying "Accuracy over power". In this case, you've got an option; you can go with the much more reckless and burly Fire Blast, putting your chances of missing beside the chances of One Hit KOing, or you can live with Flamethrower - my personal prefered attack over Fire Blast. It may not have as much power as Fire Blast, but only Brightpowder, Sand Veil and Snow Cloak stand in it's way to hitting a secure blow. You've got STAB and 359 Special Attack at most, so you don't neccesarily have to go with Fire Blast because of it's power. I'd go with Flamethrower myself.

Your ask for help for Explosion; think - do you really need 2 Suicide Pokemon? You may want to Explode that Heatran to destroy a wall, but you may have needed it later. Bronzong, as a lead, deserves it, because you're mainly setting up with it, rather than sweeping. If you do decide to rid that bomb that rests inside your living volcano, I'd probably go with a least-expected filling option - Flash Cannon or Hidden Power Grass. You've got STAB. I know it doesn't really help you, but you never really know, do you? Besides, after Explosion and the obvious Fire Attack, Earth Power and Dragon Pulse, Heatran is stuck for ideas. So it is just a filler really. Hidden Power Grass gives you the power of destroying Swampert.

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Scizor

I'm loving what you've done here, but that EV Spread is illegal and impossible. It's probably a typo, but the EV spread (I think) SHOULD be: 246 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Spd - however, you'd only really need an extra 4 EVs in Speed to outspeed normal Choice Band Scizors.

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Forrestress

Seeing as you've already set up Stealth Rock with Bronzong, Forretress is allowed some extra bonuses that not all Forrys get. You're Relaxed Nature, Steel type - Gyro Ball has GOT to be the best option over those 2. You wanna keep Rapid Spin so that you can bring in your other Pokemon without a scratch. Spikes is definate, and for the last one, I'd say Rest... you're all laughing, but seeing as you're not blowing up, you're calming down. Most may switch when you send it in on a Blissey or something with horrid Defence, expecting a boom, but you can quietly restore your HP. This can give you an advantage for later game, when you're attempting to use Forretress as a last resort. Cut out all the Speed IVs if you're going to use Gyro Ball to enchance power.



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Milotic

Standard Rest-Talker. I'd agree with Azelf with Hidden Power Electric, because you don't really have any coverage over Gyarados. This way, after a Rest, Gyara can't really harm you but you can punish the hell outta him for even attempting to hurt you!

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Lucario

Standard SD Lucario, but your last option concerns me just as it does you. Hippowdon is gonna laugh at you, so if you knock off some Speed EVs, go Lonely Nature, make room for some Special Attack EVs and shove Hidden Power Ice in, you would then have some hope on Hippow.

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For the bronzong, your probably right...What do you suggest replaces Trick then? Light Screen/Reflect

Heatran, I dont think I will be able to get HP grass, so I'm not sure Flash Cannon may be an Idea... Flamethrower/Fire Blast same old debate, which I will think about later

Forretress-Do I really need RS? and rest is a good idea...

Milotic-I'll try for HP Electric...Though that may be hard

Luke- I was going to change the Nature, but I didn't know what to before anyway, so again I'll try for HP Ice

 

[b0b3rt]

As has been said, you have a fire weakness - more worryingly, your entire team is owned by MixApe.
If Luke gets SD in he can take him out with ES, but that's about it. Milotic goes down to grass knot and heatran get owned by CC.

 

[Just Darth]

Milotic can easily survive 1 Grass Knot unboosted, can survive 1 after 1 nasty plot aswell I think