Death?

Åzurε said:
I don't plan to carry this on for much longer, lest the mods attack. But one more round or VMs are okay with me.
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Whoa, chill bro. Sorry if I made you mad. I can see your point now, btw.

EDIT: But no, I didn't say faith makes someone illogical, I just said faith is something that's felt. Also, science has proven the bible wrong in our creation, hence the whole christians against evolution and stuff.
 
WolfgangWhiplash said:
Whoa, chill bro. Sorry if I made you mad. I can see your point now, btw.

EDIT: But no, I didn't say faith makes someone illogical, I just said faith is something that's felt. Also, science has proven the bible wrong in our creation, hence the whole christians against evolution and stuff.
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I'm chill, I promise. Not mad. Just saying, stuff like that tends to get locked really fast in here.

"All religious people can do is believe... everyone else thinks about the logical end" Looking on it now, I think I see what you meant. Atheists think only about the death part of death, or something to that effect. I was kind of getting on to you about your phrasing in the first place.

AimayBee: "Can i ask, where were the nails nailed into him on the cross?"

I'd assume, where the Romans usually put nails into people while crucifying them. ;]
 
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Åzurε said:
I'd assume, where the Romans usually put nails into people while crucifying them. ;]
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I guessed that, hun. But most figurines or those thingies religious people have the guy on the cross is nailed by his hands.
Seems logical at first but if you think about it, the weight of the average made would make a massive rip down his hand and split it clean in two.
He would of had to have the nails through his wrist to keep him up.

And everyone always says they did him through the hands... Umm... Not possible... Unlesss being the son of god makes him anti-gravity guy?

Anyway, went a little of topic with religion, some kid is scared of death and all people are saying is that the kid's going hell if he doesn't like become jesus b**ch...

If you are with those you love, death isn't such a scary prospect.
 
AimayBee said:
If you are with those you love, death isn't such a scary prospect.
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Until you then realise that eventually you'll have to leave them, or they'll leave you.
 
Guillermo said:
Until you then realise that eventually you'll have to leave them, or they'll leave you.
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I already know that.
But i'm not bothered about death because i'm much more interested in life... And there willl be no crying at my funeral... I'm leaving that in my will. lol
When i get around to making one... In about 70 years... lol

Do you have someone special that makes death less scary?
 
AimayBee said:
I already know that.
But i'm not bothered about death because i'm much more interested in life... And there willl be no crying at my funeral... I'm leaving that in my will. lol
When i get around to making one... In about 70 years... lol

Do you have someone special that makes death less scary?
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I'm just not scared of death because I personally believe there's more behind life than just rotting in the ground, and I don't mean Heaven or Hell. Telling people not to cry at your funeral would be a waste of space, because they will.

And no, I don't. I have people that makes living much more awesome.
 
Guillermo said:
I'm just not scared of death because I personally believe there's more behind life than just rotting in the ground, and I don't mean Heaven or Hell. Telling people not to cry at your funeral would be a waste of space, because they will.

And no, I don't. I have people that makes living much more awesome.
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I believe the same thing but i hope there is something better... I hope there is something better.

And the crying thing... I can make people do anything. ^^ lol
 
Aureol said:
Lighten up a little bit... many people automatically assume that God doesn't exist around me, but I don't go jumping on them for it. I'm just saying that mostly because I usually state many things such as Jesus living and heaven existing as fact, even though it is obviously my opinion, and I don't want to be ranted at for not including every single opinion in my post :P
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Or better yet, you shouldn't need to feel as if you have no right to believe these things publicly. ;/ This is the poster's thread, not an open religion debate thread. It seems to me we as posters should be considering what he has asked for, not coming here to argue with others.

To the poster...
There's really no reason to question heaven and hell. When you think about it, it's pretty self-evident that something is going on. I mean the universe and the human species are just this insanely improbable coincidence otherwise. Simply do what you feel is ultimately right, and try to take pride in it. That's how I get by, anyway.
 
A lot of people have been throwing around the idea of a Soul (something I don't believe in, personally), but, being a scientist myself, it always reminds me of a rather eerie experiment performed near the beginning of the last century...

Weight of the Soul

(Gotta love Snopes <3)

Anyway, about death, I personally don't see what all the fuss is about. If you strip away the religious implications, you have what I call "The Big Sleep". Think about it... life is hard. You spend about 1/3 of it preparing for work (some people take up to half of their life preparing), and the rest of it actually working. Life is not easy, and while you must enjoy it to the fullest extent possible, death is truly a nice way to end it. You just go to sleep... for a really long time. No more worries, both personal and financial, no more health concerns, no more pain. (Just a note, what I'm saying is a suicidal kid's wet dream, so don't get any ideas, anyone who's depressed! Life is a hotel you shouldn't check yourself out of).

Death is the only thing that unites us all. No matter your ethnicity, social standing, education, profession, or how much money you're worth, everyone still ends up in the same place: six feet under.

Is that so bad?

I believe that you can only truly learn to appreciate life when you've learned to accept (and perhaps even embrace) death. Life is a zero sum game: you come from nothing, you go back to nothing. What've you lost? Nothing!
 
Well you've got the right idea, Mr. Lynch.

I believe we could do more to persuade them (Suicidals) that death is not in fact better, a solution, though.
 
PkMnTrainer Yellow said:
Well you've got the right idea, Mr. Lynch.

I believe we could do more to persuade them (Suicidals) that death is not in fact better, a solution, though.
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Oh, I agree.

But at the same time, it's very hard to convince people that your opinion of life is what they should believe... some people, like myself, see life as simply something to enjoy in all aspects. Others see it as advancement in a career (we all know at least one workaholic). Yet still others see it as something you should suffer through (look at some hard-core Catholics, Opus Dei-style), which is the complete opposite of my belief.

Same thing with the unhealthy vs. health freaks. I enjoy unhealthy food, and I don't exercise very much (among other unhealthy activities)... the health freaks would say I'm committing slow suicide because I do what I enjoy. It's a hard thing to balance. haha

Off topic, my apologies.
 
Richard Lynch said:
Oh, I agree.

But at the same time, it's very hard to convince people that your opinion of life is what they should believe... some people, like myself, see life as simply something to enjoy in all aspects. Others see it as advancement in a career (we all know at least one workaholic). Yet still others see it as something you should suffer through (look at some hard-core Catholics, Opus Dei-style), which is the complete opposite of my belief.
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This is true, but I think we can all agree it's important to avoid suicide in any form as much as we can(Within Human and Moral Limit), and important to instill at least the value of life onto others.

Of course, John seems to be seeking comfort. This to me suggests he is having a hard time believing this sort of thing, or perhaps that he wants a friend.

I'd personally classify myself as highly religious. Isn't it odd that we see eye to eye? It's pleasant, to say the least.
But at that, I have moved slightly off topic as well.
 
PkMnTrainer Yellow said:
I'd personally classify myself as highly religious. Isn't it odd that we see eye to eye? It's pleasant, to say the least.
But at that, I have moved slightly off topic as well.
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It is rather odd, considering I, myself, am an outspoken atheist (and, I'd even venture to admit, a die-hard anti-religionist).

I personally do not believe life has any intrinsic value... we are merely biological organisms with the ability to ask questions, and its in those questions that philosophy, religion, and even science (yes, my own field) stem from, albeit each has its own degree of logic. However! I believe life should be individually cherished, because I enjoy life, and I think other people should as well. I don't believe in any afterlife, so death isn't that bad of a scenario, but let's face it: life is fun! That's the bottom line. Between learning more about the world around us, watching TV, playing music, or even just playing Pokemon (among other games), life is pretty nice. Questions are good, health is moderately important, and curiosity never truly killed the cat, but sometimes you just have to sit down with a good book and be fat, enjoy everything around you - the tastes, textures, smells. Everything! You only get to experience it for so long (because looking at the alive-to-dead time ratio, it's basically one to infinity), so why not enjoy it?

That's just my opinion, though. And yes, off-topic... though if you'd like to continue this discussion, Yellow, perhaps PMs or VMs are in order. ;)
 
Twilight Sky said:
I believe that one should enjoy life as much as possible instead of worrying about death. Seeing this from a psychological perspective, being concerned about death only causes you to be more focused on it, and causes your main concern(or one of) to be about death, which is sorta unhealthy in my eyes.

Death is something that will come after life, and going from Guillermo's post, there are some that have witnessed what death was like and perhaps have lived to tell about it, but I believe that was during a near-death situation and heaven forbid that we were put in a near-death situation just to experience what death was like.

Death will comes when it comes, in my perspective. Life is the primary focus at the moment, so why not take the opportunity to live life(although as cliche as this is) to the fullest?
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"It isn't death we should fear, but a life poorly lived" ~ Yakko, Animaniacs.

:3
 
Death is inevitable. We all are going to die one day, so why fear what going to happen anyway. Why fear what can't be stop?
So the best solution is live. Live life to its fullest potential, have a laugh one or two in your life with friends and family, and importantly love yourself your life and the world around you until your time has come. Well that is just my take on so called "death."
 
I've experienced death, being dead and I tell you it's not bad at all unless you're a damned soul.

Just live your life to the fullest and be happy so your family will see a smile on teh face of your corpse.
 
I attempt to live life to its fullest because death can strike at any time, and when it does I want to say I didn't waste it. Plus, I'm not sure if the afterlife is better or worse than our lives on earth, so I want to have a good time in this life in case afterward it's... not so pleasant...
 
I hate how both sides can be so arrogant about death. Nobody knows what happens, and we all have different ideas about what goes on when it does happen. So stop your "I'M RITE AND UR RONG" ********.

Personally, I think that all life has an unknown force that, for whatever reason, has not been detected thus far. Of course, if substantial scientific evidence shows otherwise, as well as no evidence supporting it, I will change my opinion. It seems that the debate is completely open at the moment.
 
Your fear distorts reality, and if you let it, it will fester like a thorn in your side, and consume you.

Death is what makes life so great...

Don't concern yourself with heaven or hell, what is "right", or "wrong"; just learn enough to avoid ignorance, experience enough to learn love, and risk enough to see heartache. Naturally enough you will find an equilibrium in life; tolerance and love will help you to attain this. Live according to your heart and mind, and the world will be your oyster.
 
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