{Discussion} the Light-type

[Walrein]

Iv'e seen many speculations about new types introducted in the next generation, expecially the Light-type. Therefor I decided it would be better to open a thread dedicated to the idea of the light type.
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1) What would the metagame benefit from a new type?
First and formost-more diversity. Apart of that, it can help balance some unbalanced issues, such as giving another resistance to the resistance-lacking Ice-type.
2) What may be bad for the metage from a new type?
The entire reason the Dark and Steel-types were inctoducted was to balance the metagame. The addition of a new type may case inbalance.
3) What should be the type advantages and disadvantages of this type?
That's really the center of the disscustion, but here's my opinion, at least:
Weak to: Dark, Dragon
Resists: Ghost, Electric, Fighting, Light
Immune to: Fire
Super-effective against: Ghost, Fighting
Resisted by: Dark, Ice, Light
Immune by: none
4) What pokemon and moves should be added this type?
Obviously moves such as Flash, Light Screen and Reflect should become Light-typed. Pokemon such as Cresselia should be of the Light-type as well.
Should this type come to existance? Would it be unneaded? Discuss that here.

 

[I Laugh at your Misfortune!]

I'd say that a light type should be effective against dark, ghost and maybe dragon, because dragon doesn't have enough weaknesses

 

[♣Gawain♣]

Yeah I've heard this before. There are a lot of speculation of Light-types that may appear in the next gen. In my opinion, we must not change the originals. Nintendo must make new attacks, pokemon, abilities and others that's "Light-types".

 

[El Gofre]

Your reasoning about ice type lacking resistences is essentially void in that it is not an imbalance. Only 3 pokemon exist in the metagame as pure ice-type, the rest are coupled with a second type to provide additional resistances and immunities. Plus, diversity is overated. To use another pokemon example, people are continually complaining about the quantity or poorly-concieved pokemon being added to the games for the sake of adding them. Do we really need a new type? No. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. There is nothing to be gained from bringing in a type, and a lot to be lost. Btw, there was never any real speculation behind a new type, just hordes of children expecting it because they feel that every type needs a counterpart- which they don't.

 

[Walrein]

Your reasoning about ice type lacking resistences is essentially void in that it is not an imbalance. Only 3 pokemon exist in the metagame as pure ice-type, the rest are coupled with a second type to provide additional resistances and immunities. Plus, diversity is overated. To use another pokemon example, people are continually complaining about the quantity or poorly-concieved pokemon being added to the games for the sake of adding them. Do we really need a new type? No. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. There is nothing to be gained from bringing in a type, and a lot to be lost. Btw, there was never any real speculation behind a new type, just hordes of children expecting it because they feel that every type needs a counterpart- which they don't.

Personally, I tend to preffer offensive pokemon, and as all would agree about Ice beeing a splendid offensive type, I don't mind that much. But others often see the Ice-types as weak because of that.
And I personally don't think we need another type, but I still think it would be better to put all discusstions about the topic here.
I agree with you, regardless.

 

[☆Patched☆]

I think maybe make Light and Dark strong against each other, so not one of those types can overpower each other, unless the time of day. And maybe resistant to Ghost types? I think that thi type might not be needed, if you see that Nintendo obviously made Pyschic type kind of a light type. (such as Espeon and Umbreon, Cresselia and Darkrai, etc.)

 

[Azonic]

The idea of a Light type seems good. The term dark was only made to describe the absence of light, so for that reason, I don't see why a Light type can't be considered. The concept of the Light type is slightly flawed by the fact that Fire and Electricity already represent light. There are things that can produce a glow without the use of electricity and fire, but it would be overthinking it a bit. I'd like a light type, I just don't really know if its necessary.

The only cases that a new type had been added to the metagame was when a certain type dominates the game too much. In the first generation, Psychic Pokemon like Alakazam owned the metagame. Bug types are supereffective on it, but none of them could outspeed Alakazam, and Alakazam would proceed to an OHKO. In GSC, the two types Dark and Steel were added to resist Psychic type attacks and prevent Psychics from dominating the metagame.

The only time when new types were added was when it was truly necessary for a flaw in the game. Right now, nothing completely dominates against another, so I really don't see the need for a new type yet.

 

[4th Gen Matt]

I think that the Dark type is a bit overpowered atm having only 2 weaknesses which are Bug And Fighting. It sits at two resistances (Ghost and Dark) and one immunity (psychic).

I think the introduction of a light-type could be good for the metagame. Dark really needs a new weakness. Plus Pokemon that are deemed "mystical" such as Clefable would finally get a type that suits them best.

 

[Vernikova]

Yeah I've heard this before. There are a lot of speculation of Light-types that may appear in the next gen. In my opinion, we must not change the originals. Nintendo must make new attacks, pokemon, abilities and others that's "Light-types".

With the inclusion of Light-type pokémon, you can get this.

It would be nice for a new type to be included. It can be super-effective against Dragon and Dark types, but not really needed.

 

[Azzurra]

If a light type was introduced it would be strong against Dark, but it would be weak against Ghost, and the rest of the types it would be neutral with.

 

[4th Gen Matt]

If a light type was introduced it would be strong against Dark, but it would be weak against Ghost, and the rest of the types it would be neutral with.

I think that sounds like a good idea. What would its weaknesses be? People were talking about Light and Dark against each other (like Psychic and Ghost) but Dark really doesn't need another strength. He needs to tack on a weakness.

Light could also possibly be strong to Dragon. Its only current weakness's are Dragon, Ice, and Bug. I have yet to see a bug that can out-speed a Salamence though.

 

[Walrein]

I think that sounds like a good idea. What would its weaknesses be? People were talking about Light and Dark against each other (like Psychic and Ghost) but Dark really doesn't need another strength. He needs to tack on a weakness.

Light could also possibly be strong to Dragon. Its only current weakness's are Dragon, Ice, and Bug. I have yet to see a bug that can out-speed a Salamence though.

Dragons aren't weak to Bug. Are you confusing with Latias and Latios? Both are part-Psychic, what gives them a Bug weakness, but overall Dragons are neutral to Bug (and Salamance resists Bug due to part Flying-typing).

 

[4th Gen Matt]

Dragons aren't weak to Bug. Are you confusing with Latias and Latios? Both are part-Psychic, what gives them a Bug weakness, but overall Dragons are neutral to Bug (and Salamance resists Bug due to part Flying-typing).

I have absolutely no clue how I got that mixed up. :surprised:
Well, just another reason they need another type that is super effective against Dragons.
I would be happy with 3 weaknesses to Dark and Dragon.

 

[Walrein]

I have absolutely no clue how I got that mixed up. :surprised:
Well, just another reason they need another type that is super effective against Dragons.
I would be happy with 3 weaknesses to Dark and Dragon.

Why do you fell the Dark-type needs another weakness? Fighting is very common, while Psychic isn't used much nowdays. I actually think another type needs to be Dragon-weak-Ghosts also strike themselfs for super-effective damage, but Psychic-types are weak to Ghost as well.

 

[4th Gen Matt]

Why do you fell the Dark-type needs another weakness? Fighting is very common, while Psychic isn't used much nowdays. I actually think another type needs to be Dragon-weak-Ghosts also strike themselfs for super-effective damage, but Psychic-types are weak to Ghost as well.

I don't believe Fighting is very common. I see a fighting type every once in a while. About one out of every 3 battles.
Dragons have enough raw power to 1HKO a pokemon without a super effective hit.

 

[Water Pokémon Specialist]

I would say a Light type and a Dark type should be super effective against eachother! That would be interesting!

 

[QANTAN]

Let's not forget that if a Light type was strong against Ghost and Dark types, Pokemon like Spiritomb and Sableeye finally have a weakness, and a major one at that!

 

[4th Gen Matt]

I would say a Light type and a Dark type should be super effective against eachother! That would be interesting!

No.. Dark needs another pure weakness. Period.
They should make the Light-type not-so-effective against Ghost. That way, Pokemon like Spiritomb and Sableye can still keep their unique trait of not being weak to anything.

 

[Ripper]

If you introduce the Light type it creates an even stronger stereotype towards Dark type Pokemon being evil. Light basically is covered by Electric, Normal and to a lesser extent Psychic. Some will argue that Dark is just like Ghost which, in reality it is, we don't need even more types that don't differ from the current ones, just because we want to create diversity. The current 17 types are good, they cover everything.

 

[4th Gen Matt]

If you introduce the Light type it creates an even stronger stereotype towards Dark type Pokemon being evil. Light basically is covered by Electric, Normal and to a lesser extent Psychic. Some will argue that Dark is just like Ghost which, in reality it is, we don't need even more types that don't differ from the current ones, just because we want to create diversity. The current 17 types are good, they cover everything.

I just don't follow you.. Are you saying that the thing that powers the computer I am on now is the same thing as a holy light?
Normal makes no sense.. Normal pokemon are pokemon with no extraordinary powers. They are like humans. They can't breathe fire or summon a tidal wave and neither can we.
Psychic makes no sense whatsoever. Thats like saying Ice and Fire are the same type.
Lol. Dark pokemon are evil. I thought everyone knew that.
Dark has become a bit overpowered as has Dragon. We need something that can hit super effective on them and resist them at the same time. The Light-type would do that, and give some Pokemon, such as Clefable and Cresselia, their very own type as they just do not fit the niche of other Pokemon that are the same typing as they are (Cresselia to a lesser extent). Clefable can use any move with a wiggle of their finger. She definitely do not fit in with other Normal-types.