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Do non-human animals have feelings?

Ho-Oh

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    Since the beginning of time, we've had to share our Earth with animals. As our species advanced, so did the animals, which has brought us to the ones we have today. We're similar to animals in many ways, some suggest we're similar to monkeys in actions and others notice that dolphins have an intelligence level similar to our own. With things such as these in common, we start to wonder whether that's the limit of the similarities...

    Animals can't express feelings as well as humans. None of us are really sure whether they can fall in love, or whether that's just their urge to breed. When they're sad, how do they express it? Do they even get sad? If something affected them during the day, would it change the entire outcome of their day, like it does ours? When someone disrupts them, they react with violence because that's the only way they know how.

    Basically...do you think animals have feelings even if they can't express them like we do? Discuss. Yes, I am aware that we are animals, but continually stating "non-human" would be tiresome.
     

    Aizuke

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    I believe animals have feelings, after all they are living creatures. They can move, they grow, they think, they feel pain and of course, they would have the ability to develop feelings.

    There have been many accounts were animals go into a depressed mood after having their owners die of old age or of illness.

    When a dog wags it's tail, usually is a sign it's happy to see it's owner. Angry, scared, surprised, they can all show their emotions one way or another. And as for love? Perhaps, they don't have the same qualities of love like we do, like staying with the same partner, but they do show love to their owners.

    As long as humans have a close bond to animals, you can tell whether they show feelings or not, by the way they act if it were to differ from any other time they've acted before.

    Even people who study wild animals, can tell how the animal is feeling, like whether they're scared, which usually means they could attack you so it's best to leave them be.

    To say animals don't have feelings is proposterous and it's a shame to think that there are people out there who treat animals cruelly and don't take into considering whether animals feel sad or depressed when they're being hurt.
     
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    Animals are a lot more like us than people realise. Just like us, animals also like stability and comfort in their lives. They can get stressed or worrisome. They can express happiness which is apparent to those who understand it when they see it.

    Fear, I believe, is one of the most primal emotions any animal can have to aid in its survival. Those who say animals lack any sense of fear or pain are lying, because they must know it is necessary for survival. Do they feel it on the same level as we do? Probably not because they may lack the complex reasoning we have and the ability to see and confront what they fear on a deeper level. But it's for certain that most animals feel it. Imagine an animal faced with a source of danger and pain, and they know it will bring danger and pain, such as fire or a predator. They avoid it like their life depends on it, the adrenaline starts pumping, they pull away and cry out when they are hurt by it, they may become panicked and frantic - just like us when we are faced with immediate danger in those cases where all our human logic and reasoning go flying out the window due to panic. Fear, panic, anxiety are all feelings, no matter how shallow an animal's fear or panic may seem from our perspective.

    Seeking pleasure, I believe, is also a very primal instinct, and happiness a very basic primitive emotion. Whether or not animals are able to understand want and happiness the way we understand it, it is clear that animals seek what brings them pleasure and avoid what brings them pain. That too aids in survival, because the things that make them happy (food, shelter, a fertile mate) are also things that will help them survive and pass on their genes. If you give an animal a reward for an action, it will continue to perform that action because it wants the reward again. It is seeking something that brings it pleasure. Pleasure is a feeling, even if it is very shallow from our perspective.

    Deeper and more complex emotions are a bit harder to define, because the way an animal expresses them may not be anywhere near recognisable to us because they express them in such a different way and may also have emotions that we do not have any reference for (while also lacking emotions we have, causing a lack of common ground which makes interpretation difficult). There is a lot of research, for example, into chimpanzee language. They are physiologically, genetically and psychologically the most similar animals to humans. Yet we struggle to interpret their complexities. At a glance, chimpanzees appear savage and mindless. With careful observation, it eventually becomes clear they actually have a very structured way of interacting with one another and complex expressions. Complex expressions could indicate complex feelings, but it has taken a long time for people to realise by just how much and we're still not finished figuring them out yet.

    If we invest so much energy into understanding the possible emotions and expressions of our closest genetic relative, having changed our opinion so much with that research, it becomes clear that differences in expression and behaviour between species are difficult to interpret to such a point where people can misread and underestimate what animals are capable of. What looks like mindless animalistic behaviour to us might be discovered later on to be a very complex and purposeful behaviour, reflecting deeper feelings held by the animal.

    I doubt though that we will ever fully understand. Just like complex behaviours can indicate complex feelings, they can also be entirely instinctive with no emotion behind it aside from the simple pleasure (reward) of carrying out an instinctive behaviour.
     

    Dawn

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    I think so. If the alternative to eating meat wasn't wasting meat that was going to be there anyway, I'd probably be a vegetarian.

    Yeah, I'm one of those people that gets choked up over eating lobster.
     

    Jesus oƒ Suburbia

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    Animals, excluding humans have feelings too, they actually do express themselves, I mean, who hasn't heard a small puppy whine when left alone?
    Their way of expression is probably enough for them, and more understandable to their species?
    So yes, they can feel, despite having a relative lack of expression.
     
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    I think they do. They can be happy and they can be sad. They can be angry and they can be calm. They can get stressed too.

    Fear, I believe, is one of the most primal emotions any animal can have to aid in its survival. Those who say animals lack any sense of fear or pain are lying, because they must know it is necessary for survival. Do they feel it on the same level as we do? Probably not because they may lack the complex reasoning we have and the ability to see and confront what they fear on a deeper level. But it's for certain that most animals feel it. Imagine an animal faced with a source of danger and pain, and they know it will bring danger and pain, such as fire or a predator. They avoid it like their life depends on it, the adrenaline starts pumping, they pull away and cry out when they are hurt by it, they may become panicked and frantic - just like us when we are faced with immediate danger in those cases where all our human logic and reasoning go flying out the window due to panic. Fear, panic, anxiety are all feelings, no matter how shallow an animal's fear or panic may seem from our perspective.

    Seeking pleasure, I believe, is also a very primal instinct, and happiness a very basic primitive emotion. Whether or not animals are able to understand want and happiness the way we understand it, it is clear that animals seek what brings them pleasure and avoid what brings them pain. That too aids in survival, because the things that make them happy (food, shelter, a fertile mate) are also things that will help them survive and pass on their genes. If you give an animal a reward for an action, it will continue to perform that action because it wants the reward again. It is seeking something that brings it pleasure. Pleasure is a feeling, even if it is very shallow from our perspective.

    Deeper and more complex emotions are a bit harder to define, because the way an animal expresses them may not be anywhere near recognisable to us because they express them in such a different way and may also have emotions that we do not have any reference for (while also lacking emotions we have, causing a lack of common ground which makes interpretation difficult). There is a lot of research, for example, into chimpanzee language. They are physiologically, genetically and psychologically the most similar animals to humans. Yet we struggle to interpret their complexities. At a glance, chimpanzees appear savage and mindless. With careful observation, it eventually becomes clear they actually have a very structured way of interacting with one another and complex expressions. Complex expressions could indicate complex feelings, but it has taken a long time for people to realise by just how much and we're still not finished figuring them out yet.

    If we invest so much energy into understanding the possible emotions and expressions of our closest genetic relative, having changed our opinion so much with that research, it becomes clear that differences in expression and behaviour between species are difficult to interpret to such a point where people can misread and underestimate what animals are capable of. What looks like mindless animalistic behaviour to us might be discovered later on to be a very complex and purposeful behaviour, reflecting deeper feelings held by the animal.

    Wow. Took some words right out of my mouth.^
     

    Citrinin

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    "Non-human animals" is quite a large field. At one end of the spectrum, it's fairly easy to conclude that, say, myxozoa don't have emotions.

    On the other end, with say, Chimpanzees or dolphins, the concept of emotion gets a lot easier. As Beechlgz noted earlier, the concept of base emotions that drive avoiding pain and feeling pleasure (whether they are the same as the human equivalents of these or not) is almost a definite. Things that didn't feel an urge to stay away from dangerous activities, or satisfy hunger, or propagate the species, are things that natural selection would not have been too kind towards.

    To what extent the more complex emotions, and how deep and varied the basic pleasure-seeking/pain-avoidance feelings go, is really a matter of species. I would expect a cat to have a more developed system of feeling than a cockatiel, which should have a more developed system of feeling than an ant. Dolphins, for example, have been observed killing for fun.
     
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    Anyone who has a dog will tell you that they have emotions, albeit not quite as advanced as our own. Most animals who live in groups have emotions of one kind or another.
     

    FreakyLocz14

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    Non human animals do have feelings but humans are by nature meant to be omnivores. They are supposed to eat meat.

    There are organisms that are exclusively carnivores out there. If eating meat was so bad, carnivores wouldn't exist.
     
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    "Non-human animals" is quite a large field. At one end of the spectrum, it's fairly easy to conclude that, say, myxozoa don't have emotions.

    On the other end, with say, Chimpanzees or dolphins, the concept of emotion gets a lot easier. As Beechlgz noted earlier, the concept of base emotions that drive avoiding pain and feeling pleasure (whether they are the same as the human equivalents of these or not) is almost a definite. Things that didn't feel an urge to stay away from dangerous activities, or satisfy hunger, or propagate the species, are things that natural selection would not have been too kind towards.

    To what extent the more complex emotions, and how deep and varied the basic pleasure-seeking/pain-avoidance feelings go, is really a matter of species. I would expect a cat to have a more developed system of feeling than a cockatiel, which should have a more developed system of feeling than an ant. Dolphins, for example, have been observed killing for fun.

    Also adding to the Chimpanzee and Dolphin part, Chimpanzees have been seen ganging up on rival groups, killing a specific rival member and cannibalism. They know how to set up a murder like humans do. Dolphins save people and yet they kill purposes (As said in the link).

    Elephants have been seen "mourning" dead ones of their group. Even after a couple of months they've been known to come back and touch the bones or just standing there for long periods of times at the site where their family member died.
     

    Citrinin

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    Masterge77 said:
    All living things have thoughts and feelings, they're not robots you know......
    Including bacteria? Or, if you're only referring to things within the context of the thread (non-human animals), myxozoa? Granted, even things that simple will have to have some kind of mechanism for avoiding pain and pleasure, but can you really make the argument that such simple organisms experience thoughts or feelings remotely close to the commonly accepted definition? The fact that something is not a robot does not mean it can think and feel.

    Charizard said:
    Chimpanzees have been seen ganging up on rival groups, killing a specific rival member and cannibalism.
    Interestingly enough, it doesn't take much to be considered a rival.
     

    Spinor

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    Emotions and feelings are determined by state of the body and complexity of the brain.

    We humans have the most complicated and powerful brain in the animal kingdom. Therefore, we have broader views and abilities. So a lot more factors are included in our lives besides the basic core survival instincts.

    Other animals are not evolved to that complexity. Still, some have comparable brain ability. Compare dogs, dolphins, and primates to deer, fish, and birds. I'm not going to repeat the points already made.

    Basically, as humans we know more complicated emotions as Windows knows powerful and eye-candy programs. While animal emotions are more to the core, basic, and narrow, of course variably depending on their complexity, just around the DOS and early Linux areas in comparison.
     

    Rich Boy Rob

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    Sure they have feelings, just not in the same way we do. More developed brains would allow organisms to have more complex feelings. While examples of "higher" animals exhibiting feelings have already been shown on this thread, do you really believe that something like an amoeba has anything more than a very basic evasion of pain instinct?

    I'm one of those people who would probably be fine picking out their own lobster at a restaurant.
    Besides the fact we evolved as omnivores, I wouldn't survive as a vegetarian. There's no bacon! :3
     

    Gymnotide

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    Animals are a lot more like us than people realise. Just like us, animals also like stability and comfort in their lives. They can get stressed or worrisome. They can express happiness which is apparent to those who understand it when they see it.

    Fear, I believe, is one of the most primal emotions any animal can have to aid in its survival. Those who say animals lack any sense of fear or pain are lying, because they must know it is necessary for survival. Do they feel it on the same level as we do? Probably not because they may lack the complex reasoning we have and the ability to see and confront what they fear on a deeper level. But it's for certain that most animals feel it. Imagine an animal faced with a source of danger and pain, and they know it will bring danger and pain, such as fire or a predator. They avoid it like their life depends on it, the adrenaline starts pumping, they pull away and cry out when they are hurt by it, they may become panicked and frantic - just like us when we are faced with immediate danger in those cases where all our human logic and reasoning go flying out the window due to panic. Fear, panic, anxiety are all feelings, no matter how shallow an animal's fear or panic may seem from our perspective.

    Seeking pleasure, I believe, is also a very primal instinct, and happiness a very basic primitive emotion. Whether or not animals are able to understand want and happiness the way we understand it, it is clear that animals seek what brings them pleasure and avoid what brings them pain. That too aids in survival, because the things that make them happy (food, shelter, a fertile mate) are also things that will help them survive and pass on their genes. If you give an animal a reward for an action, it will continue to perform that action because it wants the reward again. It is seeking something that brings it pleasure. Pleasure is a feeling, even if it is very shallow from our perspective.

    Deeper and more complex emotions are a bit harder to define, because the way an animal expresses them may not be anywhere near recognisable to us because they express them in such a different way and may also have emotions that we do not have any reference for (while also lacking emotions we have, causing a lack of common ground which makes interpretation difficult). There is a lot of research, for example, into chimpanzee language. They are physiologically, genetically and psychologically the most similar animals to humans. Yet we struggle to interpret their complexities. At a glance, chimpanzees appear savage and mindless. With careful observation, it eventually becomes clear they actually have a very structured way of interacting with one another and complex expressions. Complex expressions could indicate complex feelings, but it has taken a long time for people to realise by just how much and we're still not finished figuring them out yet.

    If we invest so much energy into understanding the possible emotions and expressions of our closest genetic relative, having changed our opinion so much with that research, it becomes clear that differences in expression and behaviour between species are difficult to interpret to such a point where people can misread and underestimate what animals are capable of. What looks like mindless animalistic behaviour to us might be discovered later on to be a very complex and purposeful behaviour, reflecting deeper feelings held by the animal.

    I doubt though that we will ever fully understand. Just like complex behaviours can indicate complex feelings, they can also be entirely instinctive with no emotion behind it aside from the simple pleasure (reward) of carrying out an instinctive behaviour.

    Shoot. I was going to write this tl;dr, but you beat me to it.
     

    heart-bby

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    Animals have feelings, it's pretty obvious to me. My mom has a cat that was really abused by his previous owner. Hands down, he's the nicest cat I've ever met, but he's so skiddish because of the abuse he went through. It really kind of depresses me. :(
     

    Soari

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    Off course all animals have feelings just like we humans have, and they show them via facial expressions, but not verbally. Even though we can't interpret what they are exactly thinking, but whenever we beat them. They scream, whimper and get pissed. They show affection, happiness, and anger like we do. I've always noticed that when a cat's tail is standing up it means that they are feeling threatened and they are gonna attack you. I used to have a cat which was quite scared to come in our house, but as I started to take care and feed him, He came around me and followed me wherever I go :3 what we see on the outside really do tells us how are they feeling.
     
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