Do You Believe In Fate?

[JoWood]

Fate is :​

1. force predetermining events: the force or principle believed to predetermine events
-little knew what fate had in store for him


2. outcome: a consequence or final result
-What was the fate of the mission?


3. destiny: something consequential that inevitably happens to somebody or something-felt it was her fate to marry him


4. unhappy consequence: a disastrous or ruinous outcome
- Fired, that was the fate of his job.​

I dont believe in defintion 1 and 4. Some people believe that there lives are already planned. Each day is set for them. Like a pre-determined future.

I however dont believe such. I believe in free will to make your decisions and the outcome of the life. What do you think?

 

[Ninetales1]

I strongly believe in fate, all definitions! Fate, in my beliefs, is one of the three things that rules our lives; the other two are belief and inspiration.

Fate, to me, is something the gods have in store for each individual, like an unknown life plan. It is our duty to discover that plan of life, and to know what every little detail is a part of fate. Therefore, everything happens for a reason.

Just a little piece of my wisdom... ^^

 

[gilbertman]

i agree with Ninetales, maybe not the gods part but yeah i believe anything taht happens in life happens for a purpose whether its a predetermined thing by a god or someother thing, fate pretty much controls our lives

 

[JoWood]

So what do you live for? To let Fate play you like a puppet?

No, I live by this. I believe that my decisions effect the outcome of my life not some bogus, mysterious force.

 

[Brittany]

I believe in Fate. Nintales said it so well, so I don't really have much more to say.
Everything has some purpose in our lives, whether we would like to believe it or not. Fate is what balances the human mind with nature's predetermined destiny.

Falling in love with a certain person is fate. If I met a guy at the beach and we loved eachother, then I think we were meant to be with eachother no-matter what... Even if the scenario was changed, and I met this guy at school, I think there would be the same outcome. Its fate that binds us together, no matter what happens. No matter how much you will try to deny it, theres a reason why you're together. There has to be a reason, otherwise its not really love, is it?~

So what do you live for? To let Fate play you like a puppet?

No, I live by this. I believe that my decisions effect the outcome of my life not some bogus, mysterious force.

No, you can always make your own decisions, fate just shows how every meant to be. It's when people like you, try to do something to defy fate, that fate can't be understood. The deal is, you must except everything that happens for what it is. No more, no less. Just know that it was fated to happen no matter what.

 

[JoWood]

Your speaking of love fate. When you meet someone you fall in love with, yeah you say you were destined to meet because your love for one another is strong.

But, I'm saying your actions effect the outcome. For example, Brittany, if your scenario was, I met some guy at the beach/school but I was didn't want to speak. OR if it were, I met some guy at the beach/school but my friends are going to eat now. You dont speak, thus you don't meet the guy. (or it can be the dude doesn't speak)

Whatever the case it were your actions that brought you two together.

(I'm too outspoken on this. What until morning more people will read the thread.)

 

[Brittany]

Your speaking of love fate. When you meet someone you fall in love with, yeah you say you were destined to meet because your love for one another is strong.

But, I'm saying your actions effect the outcome. For example, Brittany, if your scenario was, I met some guy at the beach/school but I was didn't want to speak. OR if it were, I met some guy at the beach/school but my friends are going to eat now. You dont speak, thus you don't meet the guy. (or it can be the dude doesn't speak)

Whatever the case it were your actions that brought you two together.

(I'm too outspoken on this. What until morning more people will read the thread.)

The thing is, something will bring you together, otherwise its not really fate. Its already morning, are you sure u wanna wait?

 

[Toothache]

I believe there is an idea set out for each of us, but within our own lives, we can change our destiny. So, I'd say I believe fate is there, but that's it's also mutable, but you have to something really drastic to change it.

 

[JoWood]

The thing is, something will bring you together, otherwise its not really fate. Its already morning, are you sure u wanna wait?

One last one for the night. Well, I really didn't want to get into religion but. When you said :

It's when people like you, try to do something to defy fate, that fate can't be understood. The deal is, you must except everything that happens for what it is.

So every Christian that believes in their god are these people you speak of?
I believe the gift god(or you or others may believe different) gave us was free will. God cannot effect free will, if he could everyone would believe in him.

So maybe the thing you say brings us together is(I dun want to type it.) something other than fate.

-If fate is what brings people together, what tears them apart? Free will, actions in the relationship. And if you broke up this way this must be the way you started in the first place. (ahh, who got that?)

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EDIT:

So, I'd say I believe fate is there, but that's it's also mutable, but you have to something really drastic to change it.

Like what?

 

[Brittany]

Fate

So every Christian that believes in their god are these people you speak of?
I believe the gift god(or you or others may believe different) gave us was free will. God cannot effect free will, if he could everyone would believe in him.

So maybe the thing you say brings us together is(I dun want to type it.) something other than fate.

-If fate is what brings people together, what tears them apart? Free will, actions in the relationship. And if you broke up this way this must be the way you started in the first place. (ahh, who got that?)

If you are torn apart, then that was fate too. If you tear apart for no other reason than to 'say' it wasn't fate, then thats when you are denying fate.

As a side note, fate is not a Christian-exclusive philosophy, many other people believe in it too. Although,.. I am a Christain.

Its like the toothache said, theres a basic idea of what is to become of us...

Fate is that basic idea... Free will is all of the choices we make on our way through life, that dont affect fate. Like he said, something drastic must happen to change fate, so your normal every-day decisions don't affect fate.

What is the drastic decision? I dunno, you-dunno. If its that drastic, do you think we are to know about it? Tell me the truth, if you knew what your fate was for your entire future, don't you think you just try to change it for the fun of it? Thats why we are not meant to know...

Ok thats my last post tonight I promise!!

 

[ryan]

i'm Christian and i don't beleive in fate. there would be little or no point in living if everything was pre-determined. and if God was controlling everybody's futures as some beleive then there would be no reason for any sort of conflict... but the way i see it, we're in controll of our own lives. i belive that God might impact people's lives in ways that will change what a person does.

 

[JoWood]

Finally, someone who agrees with me.

 

[Mew13]

I'm Christian, but I believe in fate. Not as much as some people here, but I still do.

I believe it's fate that guides us to the right significant other. (The fate I refer to may also be considered the Good Lord guiding us, I'm not getting into that one.) It's nice to think that someday, someway I'll be guided to the right person.

I do not believe, however, that I have no control over my life. I believe every decision I make affects my life and how it flows. So, I guess I'm in the middle of the road here....

 

[Pogiforce-14]

I beleive in fate, but only to a minimum degree. I'm christian. and I beleive that god gives you hints and clues that guide you towards teh path God wants for you. But fate as in that nothing you do changes anything, and that averything is predetermined is not what I believe in. In my mind, if you don't keep true to your path, which is hard to do, you can easily go astray and find yourself far from where you want to be, and end up very unhappy.

 

[Brittany]

I beleive in fate, but only to a minimum degree. I'm christian. and I beleive that god gives you hints and clues that guide you towards teh path God wants for you. But fate as in that nothing you do changes anything, and that averything is predetermined is not what I believe in. In my mind, if you don't keep true to your path, which is hard to do, you can easily go astray and find yourself far from where you want to be, and end up very unhappy.

Falling astray from your path can be fate also. So can being far from where you want to be.

Sometimes, fate isn't what you wan't. I believe fate will determine your future, no matter what your free-will choices are. Its just a drastic choice that will change your future/fate. A drastic choice is like murder, or choosing the right numbers for the lottory(lol). Your free will choices(choosing a red or green pencil, studying for a test) won't change your true fate.

Anyways, thats what I think...

 

[JoWood]

The fate I refer to may also be considered the Good Lord guiding us, I'm not getting into that one.

Right! This is fate were you say 'Everything Happens for a reason'. A good image, the lord's image.

But when you say, bad fate or a pre-determined future this is fate I don't believe.

If the most popular psychic in the universe was before me and with a crystal ball, and she tells me she sees me working at McDonalds in 50 years. And I'm living in a messed apartment with little money, I won't believe her.

Why? Because (the lord has) a better future planned for me. It is this fate that is bogus. You make decisions in your life to determine where you'll be in 50 years. It is you. You make your decisions for you life, not fate or god.

 

[Toothache]

Right! This is fate were you say 'Everything Happens for a reason'. A good image, the lord's image.

But when you say, bad fate or a pre-determined future this is fate I don't believe.

If the most popular psychic in the universe was before me and with a crystal ball, and she tells me she sees me working at McDonalds in 50 years. And I'm living in a messed apartment with little money, I won't believe her.

Why? Because (the lord has) a better future planned for me. It is this fate that is bogus. You make decisions in your life to determine where you'll be in 50 years. It is you. You make your decisions for you life, not fate or god.

Ok, this is an interesting point to argue.

Who says that some of us aren't planned for a bad fate? Naturally, some people are going to end up better than others, and maybe that was the plan from the start.

Miracles happen. Someone falls 15,000 feet from an airplane with no parachute, and lands without a scratch. That's considered a miracle. But what if a huge boulder that's been in one place for thousands of years falls on someone's head for no reason. That's also miraculous. Just because it's not nice doesn't make it unmiraculous.

And of course, we cannot make every decision in life. That would be impossible. You don't choose to breathe, you do it automatically. You don't choose to have to go to school every day, but you do. There is actually very little control we have over our own lives, and the stuff we can control is usually the things that won't make a difference to the grand scheme of events.

As for the crystal ball and psychic example, well that's one example of the path we can end up on. The future is changeable, there are many paths to take, and each one is different in it's own way. Most of the time we can't see the path, so it's hard to know when a choice can be made. If you have the opportunity to see what's ahead, then consider it as one possibility among many. Who knows, you really may end up working in McDonalds for 50 years. It could happen.

 

[Brittany]

Very good point. I agree with the tooth on this.

 

[JoWood]

And of course, we cannot make every decision in life. That would be impossible. You don't choose to breathe, you do it automatically. You don't choose to have to go to school every day, but you do. There is actually very little control we have over our own lives, and the stuff we can control is usually the things that won't make a difference to the grand scheme of events.

As for the crystal ball and psychic example, well that's one example of the path we can end up on. The future is changeable, there are many paths to take, and each one is different in it's own way. Most of the time we can't see the path, so it's hard to know when a choice can be made. If you have the opportunity to see what's ahead, then consider it as one possibility among many. Who knows, you really may end up working in McDonalds for 50 years. It could happen.

You decide the grand schemes of events! Like the psychic, she visualized these 'events' and put them together for you.

If you show someone their future, they do have one. Take the movie Paycheck for example, I'm guessin you haven't seen it so I'll explain.

This man signed up to help build a machine that could tell what happens in the future. The process took three years to complete. The company would mind wipe him after the 3 years where over. He left a set of items that couldn't be brought in for the process of building the machine.

During the process of building the machine that could see the future. The man saw his future, the company that hired him to make the machine was goin to turn on him and kill him. He arranged items that could help him change the future he was destined for. He switched them with the items that he had left before.

The mindwipe was preformed, he woke up not knowing what had happened over three years. When he left, he recieved the items he had switched up. He made it through with the items that were switched. He never died as it was suppose to happen.

So, with all that. These little choices you make, like as to what items you'll leave can determine the

grand scheme of events.

These little choices that seem small and unimportant to you can actually be very important and play an ultimate role in your life.

 

[Steeleon]

Well as a Chrisitan I do not be-leive our lives are pre-determined and that WE MUST follow them. I beleive that my God has set a plan for me, it is up to me if I follow that plan or not.