ElectiPass! (RMT)

[KingdomBlade]

Well, I decided to build a different team, since the other team was kinda boring me. I decided to make a Baton Pass team, with Electivire as a recipient. I think he would be good since he makes a very viable Mixed Sweeper.

This is basically my team:

Team Building Process

Obviously, it should start with Electivire.

Every good Baton Pass team should start with a Speed Passer. I thought immediately of Ninjask, as he can shuffle between Protect and Substitute for a lot of turns, sub up, and then pass.

Smeargle is also a staple on all Baton Passing teams. As he can pass Ingrain, and also Spore, the most accurate Sleeping move. Spider Web is also useful on destroying Walls, effectively destroying the whole team.

I decided to use Drifblim. He can gain massive Subs, and be able to stall for a few turns while using Stockpile. That's a very nice pass, along with the Sub.

I need some offensive passers. I immediately thought of Mr. Mime, as he can also provide an additional SP.Def boost along with the SP.Atk boost from Calm Mind. Soundproof is also very important. It can be used when Smeargle Fails.

I searched for the last slot and thought of an Attack passer, and I saw Floatzel is the only Baton Passer that can pass Bulk Up. I needed Bulk-up as the only Attack Electivire has is Cross-Chop and I needed the extra Defense more than the extra attack.

If the chain ends successfully, Electivire will have +6 Spe, +6 Def, +6 SpD, +3 Atk, +3 SpA, and finally Ingrain, or possibly a Sub.

This is my team in In-Depth:

Lead/Speed Passer

Ninjask @ Leftovers
Ability: Speed Boost
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP / 184 Def / 68 Spe / 8 Spd
Moves: Baton Pass
Protect
Substiture
X-Scissor

I decided Ninjask was good for it's task. His ability allows me to go completely defensive with Protect and Substitute. After enough passes. I can go out and pass. In case of free turns, for example, on a Sub, the enemy goes out, I can use a decent STAB move.

Ingrain Passer

Smeargle @ Shed Shell
Ability: Own Tempo
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 96 HP / 120 Def / 252 Spe / 40 SpD
Moves: Baton Pass
Spider Web
Spore
Ingrain

The next on the chain. Ingrain is an important move for any Baton Pass team, and he is the only one that can pass it. Spider Web is for any walls or stallers, and finally Spore is a very useful move to let it set up. It allows for at least 2 or 3 turns of set-up. By the end of the set-up, I can redo Spore to use for the next one.

SubPasser/Stockpile Passer

Drifblim @ Leftovers
Ability: Aftermath
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Spe / 80 SpD
Moves: Baton Pass
Substitute
Stockpile
Hypnosis

For an NU Pokemon, Drifblim is a pretty useful Baton Passer. The main technique for this set would be to first setup Hypnosis, unless Spore was already set-up before by Smeargle. During sleep, I start Sub, and then Stockpile till the enemy wakes up, then either try to Stockpile again if I haven't reached 3 yet or just pass, I could also Hypnosis first.

Bulk Up Passer

Floatzel @ Leftovers
Ability: Swift Swim
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Def / 176 Spe
Moves: Baton Pass
Bulk Up
Taunt
Waterfall

Floatzel may be underrated, but he is very good as a passer for his rare ability to Baton Pass Bulk-Up. I need the extra defense more than the extra power in for Electivire, so I decided to use Floatzel instead of common Swords Dance passers. Waterfall is there in case I have to stop the chain short for any reason.

Calm Mind Passer/Perish Song Blocker

Mr. Mime @ Calm
Ability: Soundproof
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Spe / 40 SpA
Moves: Baton Pass
Calm Mind
Encore
Energy Ball

Mr. Mime has an important Role in all Baton Pass teams, a Sound Blocker. He blocks Perish Song and Roar which stops Baton Pass teams in their tracks. If I Encore a support move, the enemy would be crippled after I Calm Mind three times, and Baton Pass into Electivire, there would still be time to spare, to attack for Electivire. Energy Ball in case the chain stops short.

Baton Pass Recipient/Mixed Sweeper

Electivire @ Expert Belt
Jolly: Motor Drive
Nature: Mild
EVs: 72 Atk / 184 Spe / 252 SpA
Moves: Thunderbolt
HP Ice
Flamethrower
Cross Chop

I adore MixVire. He has amazing type coverage, very good power, and can destroy most walls in the OU like Blissey, Foretress and other walls. He can kill the other team and he can also hit nearly all types for neutral damage. This works much better than a physical set, as most walls are physically defensive.

Any comments or suggestions?

 

[uskelly]

At first glance your stratedgy seems doable, however, when auctually put to battle, how will you deal with Whilrwind Phazers, which is more common than Roar and Perish Song?

Completley wiping out all your past baton passes and you start back at zero, and within that time, they may have already damaged your team enough for you to be unable to use the same stratedgy =/

For me, when I see a Ninjask lead, I know what it's going to do, and then automattically move to a pokemon that can remove this problem

Bassically, if your stratedgy fails once, you lose. Also, Ninjask and Smeargle seem safe, but will you be able to outspeed choice scarf users and other sweepers?

 

[Fire Wolf]

Well, Ingrain stops Whirlwind and Roar from working...

 

[aragornbird]

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Yeah, phazing is no problem with Ingrain around. I'd find a better 6th Pokemon though.

Electivire is kind of shaky as a recipient for this team. Even with several Calm Mind and Bulk Ups, Electivire will still have trouble against Swampert. HP Ice and Cross Chop just won't defeat it easily.

Lucario makes a better recipient. Its Close Combat+Crunch beats everything after a couple of boosts. It has priority with Bullet Punch in case your opponent decides to use a Scarf Gengar or something. And it beats Gliscor with HP Ice.

Lucario @Life Orb
Naughty Nature
252 Atk / 60 SpA / 196 Spd

-Close Combat
-Crunch
-Bullet Punch
-Hidden Power Ice

Lucario also works because over half your team is weak to Weavile/Tyranitar.

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[so__ra]

^ All of the above and:

What will you do when you encounter leads with priority moves? Right now Lead Mamoswine is sure to completely demolishes your strategy. It'll Ice Shard Ninjask into oblivion and set up Stealth Rock which two of your Pokemon are fragile against. Considering this, give Ninjask a Focus Sash instead of Leftovers.

I for one do not recommended using teams that completely rely on Baton Pass support, maybe one or two Pokemon, but once you start spamming stat-boosters then the more experienced battlers will catch on quick and Taunt or Trick you, or both.

Very few BP teams work anymore and with the ever rising number of anti-stall teams you will most likely be phazed, Taunted, and Tricked from the start.

 

[KingdomBlade]

I think that I should not change the strategy, but rather, change the Pokemon for other Pokemon that can Baton Pass similar boosts yet still make fierce competition.

I might replace Mr. Mime with Espeon instead running this set.

Espeon @ Leftovers
Nature: Timid
Baton Pass
Wish
Calm Mind
Psychic

Espeon can self-boost itself if the chain breaks, still maintain good stats, and a decent STAB move to attack. She can also support team mates and herself with Wish.

Then for the Bulk-Up Passer, I could use Blaziken or Medicham, I think.

Medicham @ Leftovers
Nature: Jolly
Baton Pass
Bulk Up
Recover
Hi-Jump Kick

Medicham has incredible Attack power and has access to healing moves, although it is rather Slow, still makes a formidable opponent after a few Bulk-Ups.

Blaziken @ Leftovers
Nature: Jolly
Baton Pass
Bulk-Up
Blaze Kick
Substitute

Another choice and maybe better than Medicham because it has slightly more speed and has much more balanced stats. Blaze Kick lets me hit hard after a few Bulk Ups.

The main problem with changing Mr. Mime would be taking out Soundproof, but Perish Song is rarely seen anyways, and as you guys said pHazing isn't a problem with Ingrain.

I was also thinking of changing Electivire, but for a Dragonite.

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Nature: Mild
Flamethrower
Thunderbolt
Aqua Tail
Dragon Claw

There are some more possibilities, I think, but please stop recommending Lucario, I just don't wan't something that's so predictable. Something different I guess.

MixAzelf @ Life Orb
Nature: Naive
Grass Knot
Ice Punch
Zen Headbutt
Flamethrower

MixKiss @ Life Orb
Nature: Naughty
ExtremeSpeed
Aura Sphere
Flamethrower
Roost

MixBlaziken @ Expert Belt
Nature: Rash
Flamethrower
Brick Break
ThunderPunch
HP Ice

Haha, I just had a really fun battle on Shoddy.

Spoiler:

Mr. Mime's special defence won't go higher!
Raindog used Calm Mind.
Raindog's special attack won't go higher!
Raindog's special defence won't go higher!
Mr. Mime absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Raindog's encore ended.

Mr. Mime used Encore.
Raindog got an encore!
Raindog used Calm Mind.
Raindog's special attack won't go higher!
Raindog's special defence won't go higher!
Mr. Mime absorbed nutrients with its roots!

Mr. Mime used Baton Pass.
KingdomBlade switched in Floatzel (lvl 100 Floatzel ♂).
Raindog used Calm Mind.
Raindog's special attack won't go higher!
Raindog's special defence won't go higher!
Floatzel absorbed nutrients with its roots!

Floatzel used Bulk Up.
Floatzel's attack was raised.
Floatzel's defence was raised.
Raindog used Calm Mind.
Raindog's special attack won't go higher!
Raindog's special defence won't go higher!
Floatzel absorbed nutrients with its roots!

Floatzel used Bulk Up.
Floatzel's attack was raised.
Floatzel's defence was raised.
Raindog used Calm Mind.
Raindog's special attack won't go higher!
Raindog's special defence won't go higher!
Floatzel absorbed nutrients with its roots!

gunnels: btw, my connection isn't the greatest, so if I leave the room it's not because I rage quitted
gunnels: it's because my isp hates me
Floatzel used Bulk Up.
Floatzel's attack was raised.
Floatzel's defence was raised.
Raindog used Calm Mind.
Raindog's special attack won't go higher!
Raindog's special defence won't go higher!
Floatzel absorbed nutrients with its roots!

Floatzel used Baton Pass.
KingdomBlade switched in Mr. Mime (lvl 100 Mr. Mime ♀).
Raindog used Calm Mind.
Raindog's special attack won't go higher!
Raindog's special defence won't go higher!
Mr. Mime absorbed nutrients with its roots!

Mr. Mime used Calm Mind.
Mr. Mime's special attack won't go higher!
Mr. Mime's special defence won't go higher!
Raindog used Calm Mind.
Raindog's special attack won't go higher!
Raindog's special defence won't go higher!
Mr. Mime absorbed nutrients with its roots!

Mr. Mime used Calm Mind.
Mr. Mime's special attack won't go higher!
Mr. Mime's special defence won't go higher!
Raindog used Calm Mind.
Raindog's special attack won't go higher!
Raindog's special defence won't go higher!
Mr. Mime absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Raindog's encore ended.

Mr. Mime used Encore.
Raindog got an encore!
Raindog used Calm Mind.
Raindog's special attack won't go higher!
Raindog's special defence won't go higher!
Mr. Mime absorbed nutrients with its roots!

KingdomBlade: sorry for stalling so much
gunnels: no problem
Mr. Mime used Baton Pass.
gunnels: I do that with my shuckle so much
KingdomBlade switched in Electivire (lvl 100 Electivire ♀).
Raindog used Calm Mind.
Raindog's special attack won't go higher!
Raindog's special defence won't go higher!
Electivire absorbed nutrients with its roots!

KingdomBlade: time for the sweep
gunnels: dear god
gunnels: I applaud you.
Electivire used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
Raindog lost 83% of its health.
Raindog used Calm Mind.
Raindog's special attack won't go higher!
Raindog's special defence won't go higher!
Electivire absorbed nutrients with its roots!
Raindog's leftovers restored its health a little!
Raindog restored 6% of its health.

Electivire used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
Raindog lost 23% of its health.
gunnels's Raindog fainted.
Electivire absorbed nutrients with its roots!

gunnels switched in Teehee (lvl 100 Snorlax ♀).
Electivire used Cross Chop.
It's super effective!
Teehee lost 100% of its health.
gunnels's Teehee fainted.
Electivire absorbed nutrients with its roots!

gunnels switched in Shuckle (lvl 100 Shuckle ♀).
Electivire used Cross Chop.
A critical hit!
Shuckle lost 100% of its health.
gunnels's Shuckle fainted.
Electivire absorbed nutrients with its roots!

gunnels switched in Dugtrio (lvl 100 Dugtrio ♀).
Electivire used Hidden Power.
It's super effective!
Dugtrio lost 100% of its health.
gunnels's Dugtrio fainted.
Electivire absorbed nutrients with its roots!

gunnels switched in Porygonz (lvl 100 Porygonz).
Electivire used Cross Chop.
It's super effective!
Porygonz lost 100% of its health.
gunnels's Porygonz fainted.
Electivire absorbed nutrients with its roots!

gunnels switched in Gengar (lvl 100 Gengar ♀).
gunnels: good game man
KingdomBlade: gg
Electivire used Thunderbolt.
Gengar lost 100% of its health.
gunnels's Gengar fainted.
KingdomBlade wins!