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5th Gen Encourage Ability

MistahDude

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    So far we know of two pokemon with this ability:

    Hihidaruma and Wooguru.

    Hihidaruma is a pure fire type and Wooguru is a Flying/Normal type:

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    [PokeCommunity.com] Encourage Ability

    Encourage is an ability that raises the power of moves but removes their secondary effects. A secondary effect for a move is an effect that has a possibility of happening, like burn or paralysis. Basically Fire Punch would be much stronger but would never burn. Moves like Flare Blitz always cause recoil so the recoil would stay because its not secondary.

    This ability affects moves that cause damage. Moves like Swords Dance and Agility that are status moves and ALWAYS raise a stat will still be usable.

    What do you guys think about this ability?

    Are you hoping the power increase is by 1.5x or 2x?

    Would you use this ability? You would be basically trading status infliction for power.

    Fire Punch = 75 Power
    If Encourage was 1.25x = 93.75 Power
    If Encourage was 1.25x + STAB = 140.625 Power
    If Encourage was 1.5x = 112.5 Power
    If Encourage was 1.5x + STAB = 168.75 Power (Increase of Power by 2.25x)

    Flare Blitz/Brave Bird = 120 Power
    If Encourage was 1.25x = 150 Power
    If Encourage was 1.25x + STAB = 225 Power
    If Encourage was 1.5x = 180 Power
    If Encourage was 1.5x + STAB = 270 Power (Increase of Power by 2.25x)

    NON STAB MOVES:

    Rock Smash = 40 Power
    If Encourage was 1.25x = 50 Power
    If Encourage was 1.5x = 60 Power

    Shock Wave (and all other never miss moves) = 60 Power
    If Encourage was 1.25x = 75 Power
    If Encourage was 1.5x = 90 Power

    Even with Non STAB moves this ability would be pretty deadly. Rock Smash with a power of 60 even without the ability to drop defenses could be a problem early on in the game. It makes Rock Smash as strong as a move like Magical Leaf. It also makes never miss moves like Shock Wave and Faint Attack as strong as Aura Sphere.

    If a Normal type Pokemon had the Encourage Ability and used Selfdestruct or Explosion:

    Selfdestruct = 200 Power
    If Encourage was 1.25x = 250 Power
    If Encourage was 1.25x + STAB = 375 Power
    If Encourage was 1.5x = 300 Power
    If Encourage was 1.5x + STAB = 450 Power (Increase of power by 2.25x)

    Even if a pokemon with Encourage used a non STAB Selfdestruct it would be stronger than Explosion!

    Explosion = 250 Power
    If Encourage was 1.25x = 312.5 Power
    If Encourage was 1.25x + STAB = 468.75 Power
    If Encourage was 1.5x = 375 Power
    If Encourage was 1.5x + STAB = 562.5 Power (Increase of power by 2.25x)

    Even if a pokemon with Encourage used a non STAB Explosion it would be a little under double of Selfdestruct's power! A STAB Encourage Explosion would make Explosion over 2 times as strong!

    If Encourage increases power by 1.5x, it would make sense why you would drop the status infliction chance. If a STAB move is used with the Encourage ability it becomes stronger by 2.25x.

    If Encourage raised power by more than 1.5x it would make STAB moves WAY too powerful.

    In case you wanted to see all of the moves:
    https://pokemondb.net/move/all

    If the ability is limited to only secondary effect moves that still gives us tons of powerful attacks, and most of the electric and fire type moves.
     
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    Yeah, with a 1.5 or 2x increase, that status effect might as well be discarded.
     
    1.5 is decent enough. But what's evil is that ability coupled with STAB plus the attack, say something like Free-Fall, which I think would be a flying type attack hitting something 2x effective and it all stacking... Just food for thought.
     
    Wooguru + encourage + Brave bird + STAB = RIP !!...

    And if it has sky attack..*starts to imagine the carnage*...Gud god !!..that's one thing i'll never want to face
     
    MistahDude said:
    Odds are the opposing pokemon isn't going to survive!
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    Exactly... especially if coupled with a STAB move... tack it onto a Pokémon with high enough speed and you could have a lethal weapon here... surely there has to be a bigger downside to this Ability... the loss of a status effect seems to minimal.

    The idea of Paralysis or Burn or Poison is to hinder a Pokémon. If you can just 1hKO it then where's the need to hinder?
     
    Good bye fighting, grass, and Bug types. Of course, there's also something known as stealth rock to keep the damage minimal.
     
    Okay well here's the thing if it removes the secondary effect to cause more power if a move DIDN'T have a secondary effect I don't believe it would have extra power.
    Do you get what I'm saying?
    Like only moves like fire punch, ice punch, thunderpunch, flamethrower would all sacrifice the secondary effect for more power.
    However moves like let's say brave bird don't have a secondary effect on an opponent so I don't believe they would recieve the extra bonus from this ability.
     
    tangvor said:
    Okay well here's the thing if it removes the secondary effect to cause more power if a move DIDN'T have a secondary effect I don't believe it would have extra power.
    Do you get what I'm saying?
    Like only moves like fire punch, ice punch, thunderpunch, flamethrower would all sacrifice the secondary effect for more power.
    However moves like let's say brave bird don't have a secondary effect on an opponent so I don't believe they would recieve the extra bonus from this ability.
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    From Serebii:

    This ability boosts the power of attacks used by the Pokemon but disables any secondary effect that they have
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    The way this is worded makes me believe that all moves are powered up, but have their secondary effects removed. That doesn't mean just the status conditions.

    Ancient Power would never increase your stats when you used it if you had Encourage.

    Basically any move with "May" or "Might" in it's description will be affected by Encourage, but regular moves will still be powered up.

    I would say it is a good trade off. There are a lot of moves that have secondary effects. I already saw this ability coming when Dunsparce and Togekiss got the double secondary effect ability.
     
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    there's one thing thats bugging me about this ability

    drops ANY secondary effects correct?

    IF that is true, then Flare blitz second ability is the recoil damage, THEN is the recoil damage nulled?
     
    I think it might be limited to certain moves (like tangvor said) or maybe only works for moves <60 power perhaps like technician.

    It seems a bit overpowered at 1.5 so maybe its a bit lower? Perhaps 1.2? Still enough to make a difference without being overpowered.
     
    revelp8 said:
    there's one thing thats bugging me about this ability

    drops ANY secondary effects correct?

    IF that is true, then Flare blitz second ability is the recoil damage, THEN is the recoil damage nulled?
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    A secondary effect is an effect that has a chance of happening. Recoil damage with moves like Flare Blitz always happen so it isn't a secondary effect. Moves like Flame Wheel that have a chance to burn the opponent won't burn because the chance to burn has been taken away.
     
    This ability seems really good. I wonder how many more Pokemon will have this Ability. xD
     
    MistahDude said:
    A secondary effect is an effect that has a chance of happening. Recoil damage with moves like Flare Blitz always happen so it isn't a secondary effect. Moves like Flame Wheel that have a chance to burn the opponent won't burn because the chance to burn has been taken away.
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    oh boo! oh well, there goes that idea. if its going to OHKO with flare blitz, its going to be taking a lot of damage
     
    SwiftSign said:
    I think it might be limited to certain moves (like tangvor said) or maybe only works for moves <60 power perhaps like technician.

    It seems a bit overpowered at 1.5 so maybe its a bit lower? Perhaps 1.2? Still enough to make a difference without being overpowered.
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    If it was limited to moves with secondary effects then almost every fire move would be allowed.

    I added 1.25x calculations to my post.

    revelp8 said:
    oh boo! oh well, there goes that idea. if its going to OHKO with flare blitz, its going to be taking a lot of damage
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    It would be taking a HUGE amount of recoil. This ability gives you huge amounts of power in replace of strategy. There isn't much strategy in attacking at full force.

    Charizard★ said:
    This ability seems really good. I wonder how many more Pokemon will have this Ability. xD
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    Hopefully not a Fighting or Psychic type. If one of those types had this ability they would completely destroy enemy teams.
     
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    MistahDude said:
    If it was limited to moves with secondary effects then almost every fire move would be allowed.



    It would be taking a HUGE amount of recoil. This ability gives you huge amounts of power in replace of strategy. There isn't much strategy in attacking at full force.
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    ah, i didn't read your first post thoroughly...sorry about that ^^;

    Woo for overpowered ability, for the most part.
     
    revelp8 said:
    ah, i didn't read your first post thoroughly...sorry about that ^^;

    Woo for overpowered ability, for the most part.
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    It is only really over powered when you use STAB moves.

    Anything higher than 1.5 would make Encourage a little OP
     
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    Wooguru's possible Sky Attack + Encourage + STAB + Life Orb = pwnage.

    If my math is correct then in an extremely lucky but realistic situation, in the above equation, the variable pwnage = 1865.76 damage.
     
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