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@ Four Friends to a New Beginning ch.1, Avegaille Spellman

-clich? title that will definitely scare readers away... it spells "OT" all over it, which generally repels readers. It's possibly too revealing as well. By default you know that "well it must be a story of 4 friends starting their own Pokemon adventure and then on to the badges." Even if this isn't the truth, the readers take it by default, and won't bother to click on this story to read it then.

be sure to be consistent on your verb tenses. Choose between past and present, and stick with one.

-*long cultural lesson alert*

possibly a misleading allusion/symbolism by naming your character's last name as "amethyst," which not only means a pretty purple colored stone but usually demonic/pagan, or unholy in nature. Amethyst means "remedy for intoxication" and some cults/religion used amethyst gems as a mean for treatment against diseases in the past, and such an act is considered "demonic" by the Catholic church, which influences the development of the English language and this is stuck with us today. In fact, any purple gems or stones aren't the most righteous in the old Catholic church, with has indirectly instructed our language to think in the same way. Since your writing's audiences are mostly from the western world, you may also have to put their tradition into account when you're dealing with anything that's possibly symbolic in nature. This is also the reason why if we have some oriental or Australian readers coming across this name, they'll consider the last name as totally suitable and fine. You must consider cultural background when you're writing.

It's good that you're inserting character development. Now we'll take it to the next level to go beyond acceptable level of fanfic writing. Don't do this anymore. Don't insert a whole paragraph or sentence of nothing but physical character descriptions. Always insert a bit of action verbs in order to keep the story flowing, or else the story seems to come to a stop at a "sidetrack." Physical descriptions should always be accompanied by some action verbs in order to reduce the boring aspect of physical description. Same thing applies to the later characters' entrance as well. Also, it is advices that you don't throw out every aspect of the characters' physical description at once as well. Chop it up and feed it to your readers bit by bit throughout the story, instead of all at the beginning.

A difficult thing to avoid, but do try your best. Here "then" is repeated here, and it sounds boring in terms of diction to use the same word so frequently.

Understood that the pun is meant to be humorous, but at the same time you suddenly switched the story from 3rd narrative to 1st narrative for just 3 words, then back to 3rd narrative again... Don't switch narrative unless it's very important. Switching narratives have a dramatic effect on your story, and it can work both ways...

-some dialogues give you a really anime-feeling... in writings, some parts can be summarized and condensed as part of the narration, instead of forcing your characters to say everything, such as those "goodbyes" type of thing... condense your writing to have the least amount of words as you can in order to reduce length.

-just a note: "May Maples" is a common mistake in terms of "official" last names, similar to "Misty Waterflowers." It is just that the dubbers are saying things a bit too fast and it turned out similar to Maples when the judge of the Pokemon Competition is trying to say something else... Then some fanfic writers take that last name for May (just like what happened to Misty) and then everyone other writer copies and follow... o.o; just a note... it's fine to use that last name but it's NOT OFFICIAL >>;

-if you're trying to use the May from the anime for your May, then she isn't wearing a "white miniskirt" over her biker shorts. It's just a t-shirt of some kind that's not tucked in, or possibly the end of her red shirt is white... it's awfully too small to be even a miniskirt o.o;

-have no idea what's with the latias part...

By not just say "attacked by a few Zigzagoons"? Try to be as fluent in your narration as possible. Hiring beta readers or proof read multiple amount of times will help.

-the battle was rather quick and short... It's similar to the anime where the hero/ine's Pokemon are invincible and one attack wipes out the opponent before they can do much of anything...

-the story is generally lacking in terms of emotional character development... the most we got out of is May being the devious one out of the four. The other three share the flawless personality which shouldn't exist at all. It makes your story feel like an anime production even more than it is already, and any fanfic that has the Pokemon-anime-style cannot possibly be a very good fanfic. Distance yourself from the anime as much as possible. Definitely and again, avoid "flawless characters."

-heavy giveaways are also not recommanded... if the readers are able to predict the outcome of the story early on, why bother reading on until the end? The story gives off heavy hints in terms of who's going to be with who in the future, set in stone... *Generally* romances in action/adventure fanfics come either instanteously, or gradually... in between of nowhere is not a good thing. (note: generally means that there are exceptions to the rule, but it's definitely very difficult to do so, and for now I'll recommand you to follow the general writing guides first)

-I'll stop off at chapter 1 as there's more than enough to work on until the next review already. As for the prediction from me before I start reading that this is definitely going to be an OT fanfic, I guess it's fulfilled then ^^; Therefore, the title must have been too revealing, and too much of a cliche, stereotypical OT.

Good Points
-beginning of character developments
-beginning of descriptions
-grammar are mostly correct

Future Improvements
-emotional character descriptions
-fix "OT errors"
-be more original; stay away from being "anime-style"

Title: 2/5
Grammar Basics: 9/10
Coherence/Readability: 9/10
Characterization: 8/20
Story Structure: 6/15
Tone/Atmosphere: 7/15
Diction: 8/20
Effort/Originality: 10/15
Lit. Device bonus: +0


total: 59

Yes, it's an OT fic, I know, but I can't get what's with the Amethyst thing, it's jsut a random last name I took off since I can't use Spellman for my Pokemon fanfic... Read my sabrina fan fic for more info....

And uh, I asked May fan club members about the skirt, t-shirt thing, so I can't realyl work out their answers, so yeah, I based it off from Breezy's description, not all, but maybe some.....

Eer, yeah, I also posted your review on SPPf so that my readers there will know....
 
Sequoia said:
wow...is this about some sort of fic that someone wrote? i think i missed all of that...
It was a Frosty review and the basic point is "Go read Chains by Dragonfree now because it rocks."

*points to link in Frostweaver's sig and whistles*
 
Avegaille Spellman said:
Yes, it's an OT fic, I know, but I can't get what's with the Amethyst thing, it's jsut a random last name I took off since I can't use Spellman for my Pokemon fanfic... Read my sabrina fan fic for more info....

And uh, I asked May fan club members about the skirt, t-shirt thing, so I can't realyl work out their answers, so yeah, I based it off from Breezy's description, not all, but maybe some.....

Eer, yeah, I also posted your review on SPPf so that my readers there will know....

Now if the pants are not even at her knee, and the "white miniskirt" is not even half as long as her pants, then I severely doubt that it qualifies as a miniskirt... unless I'm too sheltered to realize that they now have miniskirt that's half a foot long O.o; *shrudders* The fact that the white "miniskirt" always sticks to May like glue even when she's falling off a cliff doesn't support it being a "miniskirt" either.

OT fanfic is *very* difficult to pull off. PMC and Trials of Reluctance are both OT, and they spend a lot of extra time in order to avoid the common "meet here, see professor, go on to journey" type. Also, even within the first chapter these two other OT fanfics have a lot more character development already. It's not being an OT that let you down, but by being the stereotypical OT that did you in.

No such thing as "random" exist in stories. Every common name that's chosen, every color that's used, and every time in the setting that's chosen... they all matter and are all specifically picked to contribute to the mood/atmosphere or symbol of the story. If you're doing something by "random," then you're misleading your readers to a wrong path.

(i guess that the only "random" thing that you can decide on is original names that don't have any specific meaning cause it's an... original name...)
 
Personally, I don't put much thought into names (I mean, the poor Hitmonchan in my fic is named Champ, one of the most unoriginal names for fighters). It's like this one thing someone in Serebii said... I forget what exactly... had to do with parents naming their children. When people name children, they either pick a name that they like or a name to honor another family member. Rarely do they go "Well, I predict my child will have a good heart and a strong will, so I'll name him blah-blah with means this-that in some other language". When I read "Chains", I certaintly didn't connect the name Mary with anything symbolic or religious. I just viewed as a common (but old-fashioned) female name.

PS- do not name your future child blah-blah, because I can assure you it doesn't mean this-that in another language.
 
Who said that stories/literature works the same way as real life anyway o.o;

Wow fanfic reviews are going at a good speed so far... I think i have time to take up more fanfic reviews since there's 2 continous long weekend coming up too. So ask away <3
 
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I guess that if I'm doing a fanfic review for other writing, I might as well put it in this fanfic lounge ^^; An old story (i think) for this forum but who said that you can't review old stories...

@ Sins and Scars, by Aiya Quackform

-"smell" is perhaps a better word than "stink" in the commerical/ffnet summary line... it is a more mature word to use there

-not sure about this one, but doesn't "scar" as a verb always have to be inflicted on yourself and can't use it on others like that? Not sure here...

May my mistakes be made up for in some small way by his good deeds.
something awkward about this line... it sounds a bit clumsy to say "made up for in some small way by..." perhaps "may my sins be repaid..." or something along that line?

-though fanfics can definitely be this short and even shorter, this story doesn't show its ending point too well... there's no distinctive beginning and an end. It definitely works as a prologue, but being the standalone as it is now, you probably should emphasize on how terrible the speaker is feeling, down to the pits (take that as climax), and then let the resolution be the speaker's successor, and direct the story a bit like that...

Good Points
-tone/mood
-generally good word choices

Future Improvements
-further polish diction (ahaha... easy for me to say ;p)
-distinctive ending

note: character and coherence/readability omitted due to length

Title: 5/5
Grammar Basics: 10/10
Coherence/Readability: omit/10
Characterization: omit/20
Story Structure: 12/15
Tone/Atmosphere: 14/15
Diction: 18/20
Effort/Originality: 13/15
Lit. Device bonus: +0


total: 61/70 => 87
 
EDIT: All writings are written for a purpose: usually under the 2 categories of either to entertain (ex: any children's book, LOTR) or to introduce an idea (Shakespeare's works.) However, all of them must rely on these "symbolic" elements in order to carry out their intended purposes. Even children's novel are not thrown together by pure randomness stuck on a plot. Names used in a children's novel are always "common names" because the usage of names that the children know of (as in, names that their friends may possibly share) will allow the children to relate the story back to themselves. Half of these things will become our writing instincts and we do it naturally, without thinking about it. However, we must work and focus intentionally for the rest of the choices that aren't decided by instinct.

Writing instincts can sometimes come out completely opposite to what you have in mind. You think that you aren't doing anything in particular, but when others read it, they see all the work your natural instincts put into it. "Old Man and the Sea" to Hemmingway is just a short story about fishing, but then all his years of writing have trained his instincts to insert symbols and specific word choices without realizing it... in the end, it turned out to win various awards. It became a parody against critics story reviewers, unlike what Hemmingway have intended it to be- a simple fishing story.




@ The Power to Shine, by Shuko

My name is Maya. I'm eleven years old, but I've been told that I'm mature for my age. I don't much know if I like the sound of that.
A strange beginning... Bit clich? and corny to start by "name and age." Also, the last part can simply be condensed to "I've been told that I'm mature for my age, but I don't know if they're right." is good enough... it saves some words that way to reduce the boring space.

Anyway, I guess you're wondering what's so special about an eleven year-old girl? Not too long ago, I'd have said there wasn't anything especially odd or memorable about me.
you just mentioned her age awhile ago so best not to repeat it already... as well, again this sentence is pretty lengthy when you can say "I'm just an ordinary girl, until..."

-"Hikari" is an absolutely feminine name, destined for girls o.o; Even if it's a Pokemon... It's a bit strange when the male dog in your house is called "Betty." It's awkward...

-reverse chronological order that's not a flashback is not very constructive most of the time... in here, i'll recommand you to flip the story around, and talk of Maya's background (but before the runaway) first before you mention Hikari. Right now the order is awkward.

You see, where I lived, children were not allowed.
"You see, I live in a _____ where children are not allowed." Try to read it out loud at times to see if the sentence flows as smooth as you can make it to be. Also, there's some tense problems... "lived" can be past tense as who knows if Maya is currently living elsewhere, but unless the rule of this place changed, then you'll have to say "children ARE not..." instead of "were." Watch out for these tense problems as they exist later in the story too.

-insert a paragraph before you start talking about the king's carriage event for clarity... since you're starting a new idea, it's perhaps best to start a new paragraph.

But that was a mistake.
An incomplete sentence... this is only a clause and needs to be joined to something else in order to be a sentence. Since you declared that Maya is mature for her age, you got no excuse for "a grammar mistake that's done on purpose"

-i know that you write your story on wordpad, but do transfer it back to a grammar/spell check program to take out the careless mistakes, such as "had had" (had is repeated once... grammar check will definitely pick that up)

I had decided that I was old enough to make it on my own in the world, and since I'd gotten so far without anyone else's help, I certainly could continue to do so.
odd... we have never heard of Maya being alone/independent on anything major before she left, so this sentence becomes an oddball. It's alluding to something in the past in her life, yet we aren't given any information about such an event... not even mentioning it...

I realized that I no longer knew which way was forward, and which way led back to the village.
"I realized that I lost my sense of direction, and I couldn't find my way back home." It's slightly more clear this way instead of "forward." Also, saying "village" isn't as good as saying "home" in terms of diction, because Maya's parents seem to be rather caring, and there's no reason to degrade Maya's parents by claiming that it's not her "home." Village is terribly cold and formal.

-"inspiration" deals with art/fine arts... running to a tree like that isn't an art or fine art... improper diction choice there.

hoping for all I was worth that whatever it was that I had left behind me couldn't climb trees.
definitely i don't recommand using "that" more than once in a sentence unless you're trying to have a hesistant tone.

-not sure if you should use the term "animal" there... it's suggesting that the setting is a mix of our world with "normal animals" and Pokemon world all into one. This setting is generally not accepted as a default setting unless you got some good explanation (due to the nature of Pokemon fanfics often basing the settings to be in a world of Pokemon). Yes the anime got 2 (or 3) appearances of "normal animals" (Pidgeotto's worm, fishes in St.anne) but we all know that anime is mostly screwed up and self-refuting...

What would happen if something really big came along - something that might want to eat ME, for instance.
take out the "for instance" and let the period be a question mark there. This way it heightens the tension up a bit, just like what this is intended to do.

forgotten my cut finger
not sure if "cut" is used correctly here... sounds odd...

-"I'm no bird expert" is repeated again

-now in ch.1 Maya seems to communicate with the readers quite a bit, taking effective uses of a 1st person narrative. However this didn't keep up in the 2nd chapter though... if you started it this way, then keep the tradition up. Don't have to do it frequently, but do at least mention something this way.

Good Points
-well written OT
-great description
-realistic and detailed

Focuses to Improve On
-sentence structure (clarity)
-diction choices (ch.2 diction choices improved from ch.1 though, keep it up!)
-ordering

Title: 4/5
Grammar Basics: 9/10
Coherence/Readability: 9/10
Characterization: 17/20
Story Structure: 12/15
Tone/Atmosphere: 15/15 (excellent)
Diction: 16/20
Effort/Originality: 14/15
Lit. Device bonus: +1 (communication with audience)


total: 87
 
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uh...looong review there frostweaver...XD but anyways, now i'm going to read that fic, and see what it's like...
 
not really that long... the first chapter of that story got plenty of mistakes, but then for the 2nd chapter i think that i only got 2 or 3 things to say (besides tense problems which I never quote out every single time)... there's quite a significant improvement from ch.1 to ch.2. I think that it's because Shuko is more comfortable with writing once the journey itself begins. The background information part regarding Maya's past is the part where it needs revision the most. Otherwise, it's a very good fanfic.

Fanfic writers pour their heart and time into writing their fanfic (err... technically that's how it should be.) So aren't reviewers suppose to use the equal amount of time and effort in order to repaid the writers?
 
Thanks for the review Frostweaver. :P I'm really glad of it, because although it didn't touch on any of the things I don't like about my story, it addressed a lot of things I hadn't even considered. That's the kind of review I like to get. I can't believe that you're able to devote so much time and effort into this. I wish I had that kind of committment. :D

What can I say? I agree with everything you said. And although I did write it in Wordpad, I don't have much excuse as far as the grammar and oddness is concerned (is "oddness" a word? 0_o) I'll be honest with you; I didn't spend more than a couple hours on each chapter - and that was including proofreading... x_x I just wrote this on a lark, and never expected it to take off or anything. I hated the first chapter a lot, though. There are so many problems in there; especially things you didn't even mention. I'm going to have to resort to *shudders* the dreaded plot device when and if I write chapter 3. But I had a lot of fun writing chapter 2. :P Chance is just about all of my tomboyish childhood wrapped up into a neat little package. I identify with him most. Anyway, I've rambled on enough. I've been thinking about rewriting chapter one, and maybe I'll do that before I move on to 3. We'll see what happens. Thanks again!
 
lol... there's a lot of other things to comment on if I want to, but then sometimes i just mention a mistake once, and if it's repeated again I really don't talk about it again (it'll take WAY too long.) There are also some things that are awkward right now yet you can't define them as "wrong" because they have the potential to be good if they're brought back again later in the story. Or there's just some plot element related items that a reviewer is not allowed to comment on, because that'll be commenting on plot and not writing technique.

There's one type of plot that you can label as wrong though: plagarize/direct c+p something, replace name/Pokemon species... this includes anime-wannabes and manga-wannabes.

But thanks for the compliment Shuko ^^;

As for TTYO's fanfic, I'll have to read it tomorrow as it's late today, and I want a bit of time to do my own stuff too lol *cough*hw*cough* ;_;
 
Sequoia said:
uh...looong review there frostweaver...XD but anyways, now i'm going to read that fic, and see what it's like...

Um, why not ask frostweaver to get your fic to be reviewed so that I'll know how he rates your fic! XP
 
Nekomajo Asunya said:
EXPECTED DEADLINES FOR "DEEPEST WISHES" CHAPTERS
5/21/05 - Chapter 1
Obviously this one hasn't been met, so I'm try to force myself to finish it today. Hopefully, it won't happen to chapter 2.

Note to beta readers: Whenver I'm late for a deadline, you've pretty much lucked out. :P
 
*pokes Frostweaver* What about Shackles?
 
I just made two new posts!
In My Eyes:
A story of Cinder, a Cyndiquil. She is a legendary dog pokemon, but no-one knows, not even her trainer, Melody (Not the one we know and love).
Shade's Journey:
A 10 year old slave finds her brother, after being seperated for years. She sves the world from a horrible leader, in fact, it's her old master!

Please read them :D :chinese: :rambo: :confused: :classic: :cross-eye
 
pokegirl909, sorry to say, but your stories are far from great, in fact, they seem crappy enough to need locked. I'm also under the suspicion that you and GymLeaderWhitney are the same person, but if not, then she's a mindless praiser who needs a real stern talking to.
 
How can a Cyndaquil be a legendary dog Pok?mon when it's a Cyndaquil? o0; Cyndaquils are fire mouses I believe anyways.

I described May with a mini-skirt? I don't even think I described that part of her shirt to begin with period. ^_^; Haha period. Anyone read that fic that graced the PC fanfic forums yet lol?
 
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