4th Gen Flash, Defog?

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    TM 70 Flash and HM05 Defog? Will flash become HM05 again?

    I doubt it due to compatibilty reasons however R/S/E had Dive and FR/LG didnt but its different this time due to flash being a TM so if it were traded and Flash was a HM on HG/SS it wldnt work.

    Also will they involve rock climb in anyway?
     
    The TM/HM sets stay the same throughout a generation, so expect the set TM/HM set as DPP.
     
    Greene1516 said:
    The TM/HM sets stay the same throughout a generation, so expect the set TM/HM set as DPP.
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    Not really, FRLG never had Dive but RSE did so we may just see the return of Whirlpool
     
    I don't think that there'll be any changes to the DPPt moveset. The Dive HM wasn't obtainable in Fr/Lg, but the HM is still compatible with Fr/Lg. It just doesn't have any use, that's all. But to swap one HM with another wouldn't be a good idea.
     
    As far as I can remember, the only place you needed flash in G/S was Mt. Mortar and Dark Cave and maybe Rock Tunnel in Kanto, but I'm not sure.

    If turning Flash into an HM is a problem, we can see what happens if they turn those caves foggy instead of pitch-black.

    I'm more concerned with Whirlpool, however...
     
    There wont be any changes to the HM line-up from GSC to HGSS, but the DPPt moveset will still be the same. meaning you can use defog in battle, but not as an HM
     
    I think flash will not be making a return but whirlpool might lol i do not know just a feeling im having
     
    I was thinking about this a few weeks ago but my thought train was about Whirlpool. IT seems like it was just a HM for one generation then forgotten. Also Whirlpool was needed for some parts of the game like getting Lugia hence the name of where you find Lugia, Whirl Islands. Now only a small handful learn Whirlpool so either those handful are used or no way to get to Whirl Islands. Still we may see the return of Whirlpool as an HM. Or maybe at least a move tutor move.

    That is another option, Whirlpool could become a Move Tutor move like most of the old TMs from the days of Red/Blue that aren't TMs anymore.
     
    That brings up an interesting point. However, I think they will leave it mostly the same as GSC. They will likely have Whirlpool and will probably not have Rock Climb. Since Flash is now a TM, they will most likely just make most of the main caves--ones you need to go into in order to complete the game--foggy, rather than dark. As for additional caves that don't have anything to do with the storyline--such as Silver Cave--dark, so TM70 can have some use (other than just lowering the opponent's accuracy).
     
    Hmmm. That is kinda trippy... Maybe they won't allow TM trades? I really think they will try and keep it the same as original.
     
    Well the problem with Flash can be solved easily. Just make TM Flash available early in the game. It isn't that hard and for good measure have it buy able in the GOldenrod Department Store. It isn't that hard to do. May sound a bit random but it is possible.
     
    They probably won't do that, because field moves that are that important must be HMs. It's just a must, for so many reasons.
     
    Well, it's possible that they make Flash a buyable TM so that if you need it ingame you can have access to it (much like the original GSC did with Headbutt). As for Whirlpool, they could just make that a Tutor and allow virtually every Water Pokemon to learn it, which would make it pretty easy to get it on your team. Or just remove it completely... but that could have some effect on the storyline.
     
    To be honest, I see the HMs being more closely related to what was brought in from DPPt. There may be a little changes to match that of the originals, but I don't see HM Flash coming back. The reason being is because if it is reverted back from a TM to HM, then that will bring up issues in compatability with DPPt. As well as it being such a simple TM to obtain. Ever since RSE, TM Flash has been buyable in the main Department stores, so like said, I would think they will make it an easy way to get it for when needed. It can work just like how Dig is useable in caves as well, so it shouldn't come to be useless.

    As for Whirlpool, I see it possible for it returning as an HM to replace something such as Rock Climb. It'll be a nice touch from the originals and will keep the basic idea of the Whirl Islands actually having whirlpools surrounding the islands. I wouldn't expect every water Pokémon to know it, but basically more than enough may have compatability with it as there are a lot of water type Pokémon to capture. As for removing the whirlpools, that won't make much sense at all. It won't give a purpose to the name of Lugia's location and neither would it contribute to the game in any story matter like before. This conversion of HMs wouldn't be hard to accomplish though as HMs are solid items. They can neither be traded over unless hacked, and there are also only one set of each in the game.
     
    Kinda offtopic... but how did they handle pokemon that had the move flash that were migrated from FRLG/RSE? Were those pokemon's flash turned into an easily replacable move? Or did you have to go to the move deleter to remove it. That same principle could be used in HGSS
     
    rikudaman said:
    For whirlpool can't they just make a TM93
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    A new TM wouldn't work because again compatability issues. DPPt has no data regarding a TM Whirpool so the idea of this wouldn't work unless a new generation comes out with it. Even then, HeartGold and SoulSilver simply really cannot introduce any highly new items that wasn't really brought in since Platinum. This is of course is by speculating that the fourth generation games before HeartGold and SoulSilver have no data on them like they do with Johto as shown before. However, no, a new TM wouldn't match up too well as it simply being a Move Tutor for the most part or another HM replacing one not needed.
     
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