"Fossil Fools" Episode Discussion

Its funny because its the only fossil pokemon that I cant remember seeing in the anime so it must not have been a great episode.
 
I'm sure Onamyte and Omastar had episodes about themselves before, they needed a random one about the Ruins of Alph? Makes no sense since I suppose "alph" is about alphabet (yes, I just worked that out a few seconds ago XD)
 
Jorah said:
I'm sure Onamyte and Omastar had episodes about themselves before, they needed a random one about the Ruins of Alph? Makes no sense since I suppose "alph" is about alphabet (yes, I just worked that out a few seconds ago XD)
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Yeah, that was weird, as I forgot they were at Alph until I checked on Bulbapedia. Then, there's the Alph in the third movie, so that makes things further confusing.

I have a soft spot on this episode, as Omastar is my favorite Pokemon. Is it the best episode? Nah, but it wasn't as bad compared to others. Mostly for them, and the Rockets. I rather enjoyed James' performance, there, as he was pragmatic and feisty.

"Why don't you shut your trap?!"

I believe he said that, or close to it.

And I liked Wobbuffet popping up and agreeing with him, as Jessie and Meowth were fighting over the Fossils in their balloon. Hmm.... James/Wobbuffet, anyone? Hahaha.
 
This episode was another boring Johto filler, the kind of episode most people hate Johto for.

The fossil episode back in Kanto was a lot better than this.
 
precita said:
The fossil episode back in Kanto was a lot better than this.
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The prior episode had more action, yes. Although, I did like the debate presented here, as "someone discovered the animals, so how much will they exploit their good forture?" So, there was an interesting moral debate going on, there. Plus, it addressed something that bugged me, at the time -- the omission of Fossil cloning.

As we all know, the Fossil Pokemon can be obtained in the games, via, cloning. Yet, beyond Mewtwo -- which was known by a select few and they're dead, save for Giovanni, who isn't a scientist -- the Pokemon anime never attempted to clone the Fossil Pokemon, in order to revive them and have them be prominent with Trainers -- like in the games. Is it writing laziness, hyping them up as rarities (which is what I suspected) or simply avoiding the issue after the Mewtwo debacle?

Eventually, D/P kinda addressed it in their first GL arc, but that's a long time from, say, 2001. Heck, this was before I ever heard of Mewtwo Returns.

Also, ever notice how Kabutops never got an episode by itself, whereas, everyone else in the Gen I assortment did? Huh. Weird.
 
Charaxes said:
As we all know, the Fossil Pokemon can be obtained in the games, via, cloning. Yet, beyond Mewtwo -- which was known by a select few and they're dead, save for Giovanni, who isn't a scientist -- the Pokemon anime never attempted to clone the Fossil Pokemon, in order to revive them and have them be prominent with Trainers -- like in the games. Is it writing laziness, hyping them up as rarities (which is what I suspected) or simply avoiding the issue after the Mewtwo debacle?
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Well this is for 2 reasons. 1) The people who created the cloning process in the games also created the original Porygon and Mewtwo (Fuji worked on mewtwo in his basement instead of the lab for some reason), in the Anime, Fuji and his team are D-E-A-D dead. (2) Fossil cloning is not rediscovered as viable option until Advanced Generation. At the Devon Corp. Mr. Stone has nearly completed their cloning device, but it's not yet functional. The next year, in Gary Oak's Chronicles Episode, Gary has gotten a proto-type of the Devon Device and revives an Aerodactyl from Old Amber which is now one of his pokemon (and a possible doomsday weapon against Ash after his last encouter with an Aerodactyl hehehehehe). So the fossil cloning just didnt go public until later. More and more trainers are seen with fossils in the show so we know that they're being cloned somewhere. Gary and Stone must be rich from this!
 
sirboulevard said:
Well this is for 2 reasons. 1) The people who created the cloning process in the games also created the original Porygon and Mewtwo (Fuji worked on mewtwo in his basement instead of the lab for some reason), in the Anime, Fuji and his team are D-E-A-D dead. (2) Fossil cloning is not rediscovered as viable option until Advanced Generation. At the Devon Corp. Mr. Stone has nearly completed their cloning device, but it's not yet functional. The next year, in Gary Oak's Chronicles Episode, Gary has gotten a proto-type of the Devon Device and revives an Aerodactyl from Old Amber which is now one of his pokemon (and a possible doomsday weapon against Ash after his last encouter with an Aerodactyl hehehehehe). So the fossil cloning just didnt go public until later. More and more trainers are seen with fossils in the show so we know that they're being cloned somewhere. Gary and Stone must be rich from this!
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1. Well, there is a Dr. Fuji on Cinnabar in Red/Blue, so, obviously, our anime Fuji was somewhat based on him (except ours had a major backstory and no bad accent). Although, I don't think the Porygon creators were featured in the game (were they, as I haven't played R/B in years). And I already said on the anime counterparts being deader than disco. So, that delays the technique, yes, but there are good scientists in the series (Oak, Elm for the recurring character variety), so they could have attempted it, at the time, if they wanted to.

2. Right, cloning has since become more prominent, as the series is improving on game canon. But again, it's 'what it was, at the time.' The science of the Pokemon anime had made major leaps and bounds in the early-to-middle days (Mewtwo, primarily), but, as we saw here, they still had a long way to go. That's all I meant, as I was impatient for them, back in 2001.

Makes you wonder, if Team Rocket hasn't tried this, since you bring up the money angle. In the Stadium games, they got the Fossils, so it can be done.
 
Charaxes said:
1. Well, there is a Dr. Fuji on Cinnabar in Red/Blue, so, obviously, our anime Fuji was somewhat based on him (except ours had a major backstory and no bad accent). Although, I don't think the Porygon creators were featured in the game (were they, as I haven't played R/B in years). And I already said on the anime counterparts being deader than disco. So, that delays the technique, yes, but there are good scientists in the series (Oak, Elm for the recurring character variety), so they could have attempted it, at the time, if they wanted to.
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There's a report in Silph Co. that says the cloning lab also invented Porygon. It's also believed in the fandom that Porygon-Z's Dubious Disk might be of Team Rocket origin, so it is in there.

Scientists always get impatient, and look what Fuji got...
 
sirboulevard said:
There's a report in Silph Co. that says the cloning lab also invented Porygon. It's also believed in the fandom that Porygon-Z's Dubious Disk might be of Team Rocket origin, so it is in there.

Scientists always get impatient, and look what Fuji got...
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Oh, there was? I'll have to check my game, again. I know Silph did Porygon2's upgrade, and all that, so, yeah, I'll go with that.

Well, Fuji had his demons, to say the least. I understand his grief, in his Professor Tomoe-lite way, yet he paid his due, right?

Edit: We probably could throw anime Giovanni into the mix over the bizarre development of Mewtwo, as he is not a patient man.
 
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