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DarkTyphlosion157

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    Looks like this place will be my main point of call, since now SPPF is no longer an option.

    Gragh, onto the team.

    Heatran w. Choice Scarf
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 SpAtk/252 Spd/4 HP
    Timid Nature
    Fire Blast
    Hidden Power Ice
    Earth Power
    Stealth Rock

    Lead. Predictable sadly.

    Gyarados w. Leftovers
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 216 HP/148 Def/144 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    Dragon Dance
    Waterfall
    Stone Edge
    Taunt

    Registeel w. Shuca Berry
    Ability: Clear Body
    EVs: 252 HP/80 Atk/176 SpDef
    Sassy Nature
    Rest
    Sleep Talk
    Ice Punch
    Thunder

    99% Shaymin-S counter we have here. IIRC, Ice Punch OHKOs, Earth Power 3HKOs, and RestTalk is ownage. EVs and nature being worked on as you read this.

    Salamence w. Life Orb
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 120 Atk, 176 Spd, 212 SpAtk
    Rash Nature
    Outrage
    Flamethrower
    Roost
    Draco Meteor

    Mixmence just got harder to counter.

    Donphan w. Leftovers
    Ability: Rick Roll
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Spd/252 Def
    Impish Nature
    Earthquake
    Ice Shard
    Rapid Spin
    Stone Edge

    Helps my SR weakness.

    Zapdos w. Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP, 36 Spd, 136 SpDef, 84 Def
    Calm Nature
    Heat Wave
    Roost
    Thunderbolt
    Substitute

    Oh no!

    Should have covered the Platifail gang, probably missed a few old threats though.
     
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    Why is EQ on a ScarfTran. TskTsk... It should have Earth POWAH!

    If Stone Edge GYara can get in one or two DDs, it can kill this team. Consider T-Punch over Iron Head on Regi to help[ counter that with bulkiness, or bring a physical sweeper with an electric attack.

    One more thing...

    You need to teach me what this "Rick Roll" Ability does, I've never seen it. ;)
     
    HUGE DD Gyara weak here. Registeel needs either Thunder or Thunder Wave (kill or cripple) to take it on. Honestly, Registeel isn't the greatest Rest-talker out there with common weaknesses.

    Registeel@Leftovers
    Relaxed
    252HP/56def/200sp.def

    Earthquake/Hammer Arm
    Ice Punch
    Thunder/Thunder Wave
    Toxic/Explosion.

    Okay, so this can't fully take on Gyarados, but it's an improvement on your current set. Iron Head is basically useless since it can't abuse the flinch rate well. Anyway, this set is nice for a tank. Earthquake/Ice Punch is wonderful coverage, and Thunder smacks Gyarados pretty hard, but if paralyzing it rather than taking a risk with damage is more appealing, pop in T-Wave instead. The last slot is stall against sweep; Toxic whittles slowly, Explosion takes quickly.

    You really might want to invest in getting getting a Scarf Gengar or Vaporeon/Suicune to take it on much easier.

    Gyarados can go more offensive and gain potential to sweep teams if you want. The Bulky DD set is just...too weak. Also, Heatran works SO much better with Earth Power.
     
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    What does Outrage do again that Brick Break can't without being locked in? Either I'm just forgetting something or you're doing something I've never seen. I really recommend Roost, Stealth Rock is common these days and with LO, the damage YOU take gets considerable.
     
    Dancing Salamence 1.1 said:
    What does Outrage do again that Brick Break can't without being locked in? Either I'm just forgetting something or you're doing something I've never seen. I really recommend Roost, Stealth Rock is common these days and with LO, the damage YOU take gets considerable.
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    Basically hit everything bar steels harder than before? I agree with Roost > Brick Break.
     
    Gyarados' isn't really that bulky compared to other waters, and the bad typing isn't really helping him there either. That being said, consider making him more offensive, since the attack and speed EVs are just might what makes a 2HKO into a OHKO on several occasions.
     
    I would recommend using Earthquake and Ice Punch instead of Iron Head and Ice Punch. That coverage, Ice + Steel, is completely walled by Fire and Steel-types, Earthquake can at least attempt to fix that. :<
     
    Nice Troll 1/10 lol.

    Naughty on Heatran ? I do believe you mean Timid. I know you meant to do that but w/e =p.


    Pretty much everything else has been said. Especially about the Gyarados weak. You could consider Scarfing Zappy as it makes a pretty sweet revenge killer and lead for that matter. U-Turn/T-Bolt/HP Grass or Ice/Heat Wave.


    Ive dont get Outrage on Mixmence, but meh.
     
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    OK, I've sorted a few things, like Thunder on Registeel and Timid Earth Power Heatran (damn, forgot they have to be 252/252) Roost on Mixmence.

    ABYAY, I prefer my current set. Any RestTalker with resistance to 12/17 types is going to be good, and coverage isn't really needed as this isn't doing much to things it attacks aren't SE against anyway. Btw, does Thunder OHKO Gyara, even w. 0 EVs and neutral nature?

    Can I ask for some calculations please?

    252 SpAtk Timid LO Skymin Earth Power vs 252 HP/176 SpDef Sassy Registeel activating Shuca.

    80 Atk Neutral Registeel Ice Punch vs 4 HP/0 Def Skymin

    These'll help to see where I'm going with Registeel.
     
    DarkTyphlosion157 said:
    OK, I've sorted a few things, like Thunder on Registeel and Timid Earth Power Heatran (damn, forgot they have to be 252/252) Roost on Mixmence.

    ABYAY, I prefer my current set. Any RestTalker with resistance to 12/17 types is going to be good, and coverage isn't really needed as this isn't doing much to things it attacks aren't SE against anyway. Btw, does Thunder OHKO Gyara, even w. 0 EVs and neutral nature?

    Can I ask for some calculations please?

    252 SpAtk Timid LO Skymin Earth Power vs 252 HP/176 SpDef Sassy Registeel activating Shuca.

    80 Atk Neutral Registeel Ice Punch vs 4 HP/0 Def Skymin

    These'll help to see where I'm going with Registeel.
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    Damage calculations courtesy of https://ownpurpose.com/libelldra/damage_calculator.html

    That Skymin does 18.68% - 22.25% to that kind of Registeel with Shuca activated.

    80 Atk Registeel with neutral nature does 70.18% - 83.04% to aforementioned 4 HP / 0 Def Skymin.

    So even without Shuca, that Registeel can indeed counter such LO Skymin.

    Standard LO Gyarados ( 72 HP / 0 SDef ) takes 77.94% - 92.84% from 0 SAtk Registeel with neutral nature.
     
    Lol @ small chance of 4HKO from Skymin.

    Here is another...

    252 Atk Adamant LO Gyara Waterfall vs 252 HP/0 Def neutral Registeel

    Might put about 16 EVs into Registeel's SpAtk. Dunno why.
     
    DarkTyphlosion157 said:
    Lol @ small chance of 4HKO from Skymin.

    Here is another...

    252 Atk Adamant LO Gyara Waterfall vs 252 HP/0 Def neutral Registeel

    Might put about 16 EVs into Registeel's SpAtk. Dunno why.
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    34.89% - 41.48% from aforementioned Gyarados with not a single Dragon Dance.

    +1 Atk Gyarados does 52.20% - 61.81%.
     
    Oh dear. I can see myself either putting Thunder Wave instead of Thunder or going Relaxed and putting a few EVs into Defence. Don't know which is better.

    Can this be closed? Its lost too much now, so I'm scrapping this team for a new idea.

    Ah yeah, and sorry about double post...felt it would be seen better in a second post...
     
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