Gastrodon

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    Ok, making a novelty team, because sometimes it's better to play with different pokemon sometimes, anyway this particular team has a place for Gastrodon, but I have no idea how to really use it so I'm here asking for help

    I've come up with this so far...

    Gastrodon@Leftovers
    Sticky Hold/Storm Drain
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    EVs: 252 HP, 124 Def, 88 Sp Atk, 46 Sp Def
    -Surf
    -Recover/Swallow
    -Amnesia/Stockpile
    -Mirror Coat/Counter

    Hmm quite the choices, I figure it needs one attacking move at least, which is why Surf is there, but the other moves I'm not so sure about

    Recover gives me a consistant recovery of HP, where as Swallow is dependant on Stockpile. Amnesia sharply increases Sp Def which would help with Mirror Coat, but Stockpile increases both Defenses making it be able to tank better.

    Counter is really only there because I have another on this team that can learn Mirror Coat, and I don't know whether I should have two Mirror Coaters
     
    Angelic Diablo said:
    Ok, making a novelty team, because sometimes it's better to play with different pokemon sometimes, anyway this particular team has a place for Gastrodon, but I have no idea how to really use it so I'm here asking for help

    I've come up with this so far...

    Gastrodon@Leftovers
    Sticky Hold/Storm Drain
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    EVs: 252 HP, 124 Def, 88 Sp Atk, 46 Sp Def
    -Surf
    -Recover/Swallow
    -Amnesia/Stockpile
    -Mirror Coat/Counter

    Hmm quite the choices, I figure it needs one attacking move at least, which is why Surf is there, but the other moves I'm not so sure about

    Recover gives me a consistant recovery of HP, where as Swallow is dependant on Stockpile. Amnesia sharply increases Sp Def which would help with Mirror Coat, but Stockpile increases both Defenses making it be able to tank better.

    Counter is really only there because I have another on this team that can learn Mirror Coat, and I don't know whether I should have two Mirror Coaters
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    Gastrodon doesnt need mirror coat due to it's high special defense. So mirror coat wont do much damage, unless the oponent uses a weak grass type move like absorb or bullet seed. Try counter, since physical defense isnt that great,but it can still take any attack thrown at it. Stockpile and Swallow is a waste, why would you need it when you have recover. I suggest you teach it earthquake, considering it's a ground type. I think amnesia is a great idea, giving gastrodon a quick boost in SP DEF. when it's high enough as it is.

    Bold nature is horrible for gastrodon. I recommend the following

    Modest
    Gentle
    Mild(i guess)
    Calm
    Sassy
    Quiet nature.

    Can you give me gastrodon's lvl and stats. I have a stat and EV calculator software on my pc. so I'll do my best to help.

    BTW: If you wanna use Gastrodon in competive battling, I dont think you should have counter/mirror coat, because you can't predict what the opponent is gunna do. This is why noone uses Wobbuffet anymore.


    That's all I can Give. If any1 here disagrees with me, thats okay ^_^ I have to be wrong sometime, but at least i tried to help.
     
    BlueLucario said:
    Gastrodon doesnt need mirror coat due to it's high special defense. So mirror coat wont do much damage, unless the oponent uses a weak grass type move like absorb or bullet seed. Try counter, since physical defense isnt that great,but it can still take any attack thrown at it. Stockpile and Swallow is a waste, why would you need it when you have recover. I suggest you teach it earthquake, considering it's a ground type. I think amnesia is a great idea, giving gastrodon a quick boost in SP DEF. when it's high enough as it is.

    Bold nature is horrible for gastrodon. I recommend the following

    Modest
    Gentle
    Mild(i guess)
    Calm
    Sassy
    Quiet nature.

    Can you give me gastrodon's lvl and stats. I have a stat and EV calculator software on my pc. so I'll do my best to help.

    BTW: If you wanna use Gastrodon in competive battling, I dont think you should have counter/mirror coat, because you can't predict what the opponent is gunna do. This is why noone uses Wobbuffet anymore.


    That's all I can Give. If any1 here disagrees with me, thats okay ^_^ I have to be wrong sometime, but at least i tried to help.
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    Noob. Um. Those ALL worse then his Nature.
     
    Actually, you need high special defense in order to use MC effectively. Milotic would be horrible as a mirror coater if it had 30 base special defense. Mirror coat is best on special walls, or anything that can survive one special attack.
     
    Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 said:
    Actually, you need high special defense in order to use MC effectively. Milotic would be horrible as a mirror coater if it had 30 base special defense. Mirror coat is best on special walls, or anything that can survive one special attack.
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    Just a question: Then Calm would be good then? Otherwise, I don't see anything else that works on his list. [/COLOR [url-inline="showthread.php?t=88965"]go.[/url-inline]
     
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    The link didn't work...regardless, defense is needed to use counter and SpD to mirror coat, simpole as that. A recovery move is nice as well...
     
    Itachi Uchiha said:
    Noob. Um. Those ALL worse then his Nature.
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    I'm not trying to argue, how is all those natures that bad when they all involve special attack and Special Defense, because that basically what gastrodon needs, I'm just reading this stat calculator i got. it also involves nature and EV's
    and stuff.

    And please, dont call me a noob, it isnt nice 1st of all, i'll admit i'm giving bad advice, but at least tell me why you disagree.

    Oh, BTW can Gastrodon learn Calm mind? Because it would help alot it can. I'm just asking I'm not trying to go off topic.
     
    BlueLucario said:
    I'm not trying to argue, how is all those natures that bad when they all involve special attack and Special Defense, because that basically what gastrodon needs, I'm just reading this stat calculator i got. it also involves nature and EV's
    and stuff.

    And please, dont call me a noob, it isnt nice 1st of all, i'll admit i'm giving bad advice, but at least tell me why you disagree.

    Oh, BTW can Gastrodon learn Calm mind? Because it would help alot it can. I'm just asking I'm not trying to go off topic.
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    Not to be a jerk, but if you're giving bad advice, don't give it. Simple as that, especially if you knew you were. You mentioned in that other thread you don't understand EVs and whatnot. Then what's the point of using a stat calculator or IV calculator that uses EVs when you don't understand them? Not trying to be annoying, I was just wondering why. And yes itachi, recover is one of the best recovery moves around. That would be great for a mirror coater.
     
    Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 said:
    Not to be a jerk, but if you're giving bad advice, don't give it. Simple as that, especially if you knew you were. You mentioned in that other thread you don't understand EVs and whatnot. Then what's the point of using a stat calculator or IV calculator that uses EVs when you don't understand them? Not trying to be annoying, I was just wondering why. And yes itachi, recover is one of the best recovery moves around. That would be great for a mirror coater.
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    No, your not being a jerk.

    I didnt know I was giving bad advice. sigh,I'm just read stats calcs, so i can see what stats an individual pokemon has. I'm sorry if I did. I knew right away what gastrodon's stats are since i got one myself. and I knew how to use it.

    I'm not saying recover is bad, but doesnt it hurt you in the long run, in case gastrodon take serious damage, like it has 150HP and some pokemon uses a physical attack and it's HP goes down to like 42. If it uses recover it recovers half it's HP, so it recover 75HP. It goes up to 117, but if that pokemon uses the same move, the HP of Gastrodon goes down to lower than the amount a hit points gastrodon had left before it used recover the first time(I'm not making it up, this happened before.Giga Impact?,Earthquake, breave bird?) for Gastrodon's Awesome Defense Power, I think Recover is a great move, not only does it help, it probably will annoy the opponent.

    I'm saying this Hypothetically.

    I'm curious to know why you give Gastrodon a nature that involves Physical stats, when it's already bad enough. I thought it's a SpecialWall/Special Sweeper, and that's what its good for. Why physical attacks.
     
    I;m no gastrodon expert, so somebady else can help with that. I do know a few things about battling, and can tell you that if your opponents are using giga impact, you must have some pathetic competition. Competitive battling is serious business, especailly with the best battlers like AB.
     
    BlueLucario said:
    No, your not being a jerk.

    I didnt know I was giving bad advice. sigh,I'm just read stats calcs, so i can see what stats an individual pokemon has. I'm sorry if I did. I knew right away what gastrodon's stats are since i got one myself. and I knew how to use it.

    I'm not saying recover is bad, but doesnt it hurt you in the long run, in case gastrodon take serious damage, like it has 150HP and some pokemon uses a physical attack and it's HP goes down to like 42. If it uses recover it recovers half it's HP, so it recover 75HP. It goes up to 117, but if that pokemon uses the same move, the HP of Gastrodon goes down to lower than the amount a hit points gastrodon had left before it used recover the first time(I'm not making it up, this happened before.Giga Impact?,Earthquake, breave bird?) for Gastrodon's Awesome Defense Power, I think Recover is a great move, not only does it help, it probably will annoy the opponent.

    I'm saying this Hypothetically.

    I'm curious to know why you give Gastrodon a nature that involves Physical stats, when it's already bad enough. I thought it's a SpecialWall/Special Sweeper, and that's what its good for. Why physical attacks.
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    This is a good moveset:

    Gastrodon @:Leftovers
    Trait: Sticky Hold
    Bold/Relaxed Nature
    Surf
    Ice Beam/Earthquake
    Recover
    Mirror Coat two moves for Stab, (Earthquake and Surf). Recover and Mirror Coat are obvious. Well just to show an example of strategy.
     
    Gastrodon @ Leftovers/Lum Berry
    Bold Nature
    Ability: Stick Hold
    252 HP/88 SP ATK/168 DEF
    -Surf
    -Yawn
    -Protect
    -Counter

    yawn + protect to force a switch or induce sleep, an the rest is self explanatory.

    really a lousy poke.
     
    That still doesnt answer my question as to why Gastro is being givin natures involving physical stats, which is not what it's built for. But isnt it's SP DEF to high for mirror coat to be useful
     
    BlueLucario said:
    That still doesnt answer my question as to why Gastro is being givin natures involving physical stats, which is not what it's built for. But isnt it's SP DEF to high for mirror coat to be useful
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    go. Go there, please. It's for nature help.
     
    You aren't listening. To use mirror coat, you MUST have at least decent special defense. For the millionth time, you'll get OHKOed if you don't give it special defense. EQ with STAB is still decent, 150 base power, as Cakekun said. We have answered your question, you just aren't listening to the answer. Let's say you have a pokemon similar to steelix, only with amazing special defense. It has 200 HP, and 400 Special defense. Your opponent sends out specsmence...joy. Yopu choose mirror coat, which always attacks last. Mence uses draco meteor, putting you down to 30 HP (this isn't exact BTW). You then use mirror coat, OHKOing Specsmence inflicting 340 HP, double that of the 170 damage inflicted. However, if you have 250 Special defense, you get OHKOed. There's my example. THAT is why mirror coat needs a special defense poke, like milotic.
     
    Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 said:
    You aren't listening. To use mirror coat, you MUST have at least decent special defense. For the millionth time, you'll get OHKOed if you don't give it special defense. EQ with STAB is still decent, 150 base power, as Cakekun said. We have answered your question, you just aren't listening to the answer. Let's say you have a pokemon similar to steelix, only with amazing special defense. It has 200 HP, and 400 Special defense. Your opponent sends out specsmence...joy. Yopu choose mirror coat, which always attacks last. Mence uses draco meteor, putting you down to 30 HP (this isn't exact BTW). You then use mirror coat, OHKOing Specsmence inflicting 340 HP, double that of the 170 damage inflicted. However, if you have 250 Special defense, you get OHKOed. There's my example. THAT is why mirror coat needs a special defense poke, like milotic.
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    Ev's: 232 sp. def/116 def/152 hp.
     
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