Good 'Ol Burn Deck (er, again) [YGO]

[Syousuke]

Burn

Err, yeah, its still burn. And it seems that it got deleted so I'll post it again.
Once again I added+lost some of the cards in my deck. And I need some cards back but I need to know what are those cards. o_o

Tribute Monster x2
Mobius the Frost Monarch
Jinzo

Monster x16
Raging Flame Sprite x3
Solar Flare Dragon x3
UFO Turtle x3
Mataza t/ Zapper x2
Ultimate Baseball Kid x2
Swarm of Scarabs x2
Stealth Bird

Spell x14
Ante
Molten Destruction
Mystical Space Typhoon
Swords of Revealing Light
Level Limit Area B x2
Axe of Despair x3
Heavy Storm
Meteor of Destruction
Pot of Greed
Wave Motion Cannon x2

Trap x8
Gravity Bind
Call of the Haunted
Backfire x3
Dust Tornado x2
Ceasefire x?

Total 40


Sidedeck x15
Book of Moon
Disarmment
Sakuretsu Armor
Armed Samurai - Ben Kei
Torrential Tribute x2
Shadow Spell
Old Vindictive Magician
Lightning Vortex
Luster Dragon x2
Archfield Soldier x2
Bottomless Trap Hole
Fusion Blade Murasame (sp)


I might be misisng a few things.

Criticism please.

 

[Mullet]

Bold, you know the drill.

Burn

Err, yeah, its still burn. And it seems that it got deleted so I'll post it again.
Once again I added+lost some of the cards in my deck. And I need some cards back but I need to know what are those cards. o_o

Tribute Monster x2
Mobius the Frost Monarch
Jinzo

Use two Mobius if you must use tributes in a burn deck.

Monster x16
Raging Flame Sprite x3
Solar Flare Dragon x3
UFO Turtle x3
Mataza t/ Zapper x2
Ultimate Baseball Kid x2
Swarm of Scarabs x2
Stealth Bird

Take out the Mataza and add in two more Stealth Birds.

Spell x14
Ante
Molten Destruction
Mystical Space Typhoon
Swords of Revealing Light
Level Limit Area B x2
Axe of Despair x3
Heavy Storm
Meteor of Destruction
Pot of Greed
Wave Motion Cannon x2

Take out all the Axe, and take out the Molten, Ante, and Pot as it is now banned. Use 3 Level Limits, 3 WMC's, and 3 Meteors. Also Goats might be a good idea, and use Premature ffs. Try 2-3 Magic Reflector for Swords or WMC, whichever you need the most at the moment.

Trap x8
Gravity Bind
Call of the Haunted
Backfire x3
Dust Tornado x2
Ceasefire x?

Two G-Binds. Take out the Backfire, and try some Sak. Armors and try Waboku. Ceasefire is limited to one. Main deck TT. Use 2 Spiritual Fire Art Kunari, to launch off your huge UBK's.

Total 40


Sidedeck x15
Book of Moon
Disarmment
Sakuretsu Armor
Armed Samurai - Ben Kei
Torrential Tribute x2
Shadow Spell
Old Vindictive Magician
Lightning Vortex
Luster Dragon x2
Archfield Soldier x2
Bottomless Trap Hole
Fusion Blade Murasame (sp)

Dude TT is limited to one, was always and will always be. I can't do it. Let some one else fix the sideboard, this will kill me.

I might be misisng a few things.

Criticism please.

You used to seem decent.

 

[Syousuke]

Alright, then. I down-graded. o_o

I'll make all of those fixes happen. Thanks again for the 4th time? Mullet. I'll make sure I'll take care of my cards next time so I dont end up with one of these threads.

 

[Frostweaver]

I'll rather have secret barrel over fire art... in a world of "I must hord my cards to save card advantage," that's one good card to use, especially against flip flop control.

 

[Latios Master]

Where is Lava Golem? I don't see many burn decks without him.

 

[Syousuke]

Well I don't have Lava Golem in my box of cards unfortunately, so if anyone would prefer to tell me which booster pack I could obtain it from..

And Mullet's fixes are working very well, but I couldn't go around taking away Backfire. I only have one Fire Art Kunaris. At the moment I have 45 cards in my deck by adding sakaretsu and waboku and an extra Mobius.

 

[Frostweaver]

I'll only go for 2 Raging Flame Sprite to reduce bad opening hand...

On top of Mullet's changes, I'll...

-all meteors

K we can find better ways to do burn damage. A card worths approximately 1500 LP (looking at how people are willing to play My Body as a Shield, and that we take damage from stuff like faceup Dekoichi and not waste sakuretsu against it) so let's take them all out to reduce deck size.

-all magic reflector
+2 Des Lacooda

Really, just control when you can fire the cannon and everything will be fine >> Instead add in the number 1 draw enegine of all stall decks- Des Lacooda. It'll greatly speed up your deck.


I don't know what do you have in your trap lineup... but maybe something like

+1 Book of Moon

reuse koalas, kill reaper, etc etc... all purpose card for a burn deck.

+1 Sangan

it can search too much in this deck... irresistable in too many ways.

-Torrential Tribute
-Call of the Haunted
-Ceasefire
-Gravity Bind x2
-Sakuretsu Armor x3
-Magic Cylinder (optional)

Yeah... count the number of cards you have in your deck. If it exceeds 42, i'll just try to deckthin myself some more. I'll really go against those Mobius there =(

 

[Syousuke]

Tribute Monster x3
Mobius the Frost Monarch x2
Jinzo

Monster x15
Raging Flame Sprite x2
Solar Flare Dragon x3
Sangan
Des Lacooda x2
Ultimate Baseball Kid x2
Swarm of Scarabs x2
Stealth Bird x3

Spell x12
Level Limit Area B x3
Wave Motion Cannon x3
Mystical Space Typhoon
Premature Burial
Heavy Storm
Swords of Revealing Light
Book of Moon
Meteor of Destruction

Trap x10
Torrential Tribute
Call of the Haunted
Ceasefire
Gravity Bind x2
Waboku
Sakuretsu Armor x3
Magic Cylinder

Total 40

So, I followed most of the fixes frostweaver handed to me. I had to skim down MoDs but not all of them, which then I'll have 39 cards in my deck. Unplayable.
I'll stick with 2 Mobius.

I haven't tried it out yet, but I'm sure this deck will work fine.

 

[Frostweaver]

Take out Jinzo definitely, cause it's screwing up your gravity binds...

-1 Jinzo
-1 Meteor of Destruction
+1 Lava Golem
+1 Premature Burial

Sorry to say but then this deck contradicts itself a lot even after the fixes... like, the stall cards are locking some of your own monsters and etc o.o;

 

[Syousuke]

I'm not really sure why Jinzo is even in there.
I've decided to take out a Mobius.
So I'll be back to 2 tribute monsters when I get Lava Golem.

the stall cards are locking some of your own monsters and etc o.o;

Which stall cards, so to speak?

I usually play SFD in defense, 1500 ATK is lacking. I lineup GB or Level Limits so SFD isn't affected. With 3, I could lock each of them up being unable to be targetted with an attack, at the same time, opponent loses 1500 LP each turn. Not TOO bad and at least would help myself out a little bit.
Well, I used to use Backfires, so that the opponent would lose LPs contrary to my loss of SFDs. I got around to getting rid of them.

Most of my other monsters are level 3 and under.

-1 Jinzo
-1 Meteor of Destruction
-1 Mobius
+1 Lava Golem
+1 Premature Burial
+1 Raging Flame Sprite

On RFS, I prefer the phrase 'the more, the merrier.' Especially when GB or Level Limit is around (which is most of the time), which is then I could actually be dealling a lot more damage than I comprehend.

 

[Frostweaver]

Nevermind actually... guess I wasn't thinking too correctly.

It's too ideal to get out 3 SFD... 2 is more realistic but even that it's not very likely, unless you use UFO Turtole to pull out one SFD, then summon another. However when the scenario is like that, i'll usually pull out Raging Flame Sprite with Turtle o.o;

Lava Golem isn't really a "tribute" cost it's used mainly for getting rid of possible tribute fodders on your opponent's side to stop potential Mobius, or deadly facedown draw engines like Dekoichi and so on. For golem, the burn is really a bonus and not as important.

Meh...

 

[Mullet]

I like two Lava Golem if you can get them. Oh and by the way Secret Barrels are good imo.

 

[Syousuke]

- Swords of Revealing Light
- 2 Swarm of Scarabs
+ 3 UFO Turtles
+ Lava Golem

Payed $12.95 for 2 Lava Golems.

I hope this concludes my deck reconstruction.

Tribute Monster x3
Mobius the Frost Monarch
Lava Golem x2

Monster x15
Raging Flame Sprite x2
Solar Flare Dragon x3
Sangan
Des Lacooda x2
Ultimate Baseball Kid x2
UFO Turtle x3
Stealth Bird x3

Spell x12
Level Limit Area B x3
Wave Motion Cannon x3
Mystical Space Typhoon
Premature Burial
Heavy Storm
Swords of Revealing Light
Book of Moon
Meteor of Destruction

Trap x11
Torrential Tribute
Call of the Haunted
Ceasefire
Gravity Bind x2
Waboku
Sakuretsu Armor x3
Magic Cylinder
Secret Barrel

Total 41

 

[Frostweaver]

I'll definitely keep swords since it's one of the best stall cards there are.

+1 Swords of Revealing Light
-1 Meteor of Destruction

And...

-1 Secret Barrel

Secret Barrel is powerful and good, but it needs very specific support cards. It's better for burn decks that deal damage through effects and not attacks with massive stalls, such as Des Koala, Messenger of Peace, Nightmare Steelcage and Ojama Trio. For a deck with Ultimate Baseball Kid and Raging Flame Sprites who rely on attacking, I'll take out Secret Barrel.

Not saying it's a bad card, but it's just not the right type of burn deck.

-1 Waboku

You do have plenty of stall cards. You have sakuretsu armor. It's true that Waboku is immune to Mobius because it's very chainable, but I'll take it out here. No point to increase deck size just because of one card.

 

[Mullet]

Stall burn decks are better imo, as I chrushed a deck much like this on Monday, lol.

Mobius isn't really needed though although it might be useful when you want to attack with RFS because it will destroy threasts like Armor or Widespread.

 

[Syousuke]

-1 Waboku
-1 Secret Barrel
+1 RFS
Thats about it.

I didn't remove MoD because then I'll be short one card. Added RFS just for the sake of it. I was about to remove Mobius, but then there comes the card shortage.
If the Swords of Revealing Light aren't limited I might put 1 more in. Depends. And remove Mobius.

Tribute Monster x3
Mobius the Frost Monarch
Lava Golem x2

Monster x17
Raging Flame Sprite x3
Solar Flare Dragon x3
Sangan
Des Lacooda x2
Ultimate Baseball Kid x2
UFO Turtle x3
Stealth Bird x3

Spell x12
Level Limit Area B x3
Wave Motion Cannon x3
Mystical Space Typhoon
Premature Burial
Heavy Storm
Swords of Revealing Light
Book of Moon
Meteor of Destruction

Trap x9
Torrential Tribute
Call of the Haunted
Ceasefire
Gravity Bind x2
Sakuretsu Armor x3
Magic Cylinder

Total 40

 

[Frostweaver]

3 RFS = they will give you a bad hand... as if this meta isn't heavily dependent on topdecking luck already, let's not make the chances even worse.

Right now you have 41 cards not 40. Take the RFS back out with it.

LLAB is semi restricted at 2 so you can't use 3. Since we're forced to take out that copy of LLAB, replace it with the staple Snatch Steal. It seems to have conflict with your deck due to its LP gain for your opponent, but Snatch Steal can almost never be bad. In fact, it's one of the best card you can hope for when you're topdecking. You can snatch steal opponent's monsters, forcing them to activate Sakuretsu against their own monster or take a huge hit from their own monsters (even better if you snatched Don Zaloog or DDA.)

Take out MoD for Smashing Ground then. Even burn decks need monster removal, especially if it's tribute fodder waiting for Mobius to sweep your back row, or heavy attackers waiting for Giant Trunade.



Mullet is right though. It's awkward to see a "hybrid burn" deck. Usually, it's either completely 'offensive burn' (no stalls at all yet it got burn feature cards like Solar Flare Dragon, Raging Flame Sprite and so on) or complete stall (using every stall cards in existance.) This one got characteristic of both, which is really... odd.

 

[Syousuke]

3 RFS = they will give you a bad hand... as if this meta isn't heavily dependent on topdecking luck already, let's not make the chances even worse.

Right now you have 41 cards not 40. Take the RFS back out with it.

LLAB is semi restricted at 2 so you can't use 3. Since we're forced to take out that copy of LLAB, replace it with the staple Snatch Steal. It seems to have conflict with your deck due to its LP gain for your opponent, but Snatch Steal can almost never be bad. In fact, it's one of the best card you can hope for when you're topdecking. You can snatch steal opponent's monsters, forcing them to activate Sakuretsu against their own monster or take a huge hit from their own monsters (even better if you snatched Don Zaloog or DDA.)

Take out MoD for Smashing Ground then. Even burn decks need monster removal, especially if it's tribute fodder waiting for Mobius to sweep your back row, or heavy attackers waiting for Giant Trunade.

Well, looks like I mis-counted then. My bad.

RFS is out.

-1 Raging Flame Sprite
-1 Meteor of Destruction
-1 Level Limit
+1 Smashing Ground
+1 Snatch Steal
Total: 40

Mullet is right though. It's awkward to see a "hybrid burn" deck. Usually, it's either completely 'offensive burn' (no stalls at all yet it got burn feature cards like Solar Flare Dragon, Raging Flame Sprite and so on) or complete stall (using every stall cards in existance.) This one got characteristic of both, which is really... odd.

This is because there isn't much diversity in the burn category within to get effectiveness, and if one is devoted to one type (offensive, stall), there will be way too many decks that are too similar running around. I hate to see people using the exact same stragedies that I use to beat me. Sure, most people won't prefer burn. However its just how I think it is.

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Thanks again. :)

 

[Mullet]

Use two Smashings in my opnion. 41 cards is still fine.

Frosty and I could totally remake the deck to a stall burn deck.

 

[Frostweaver]

Who said that burn got no diversity... more diverisity than warrior toolbox, at least.

-Wave Motion Cannon control (will die very soon due to SOI)
-Stall burn by fixed damage (SFD, Stealth Bird, chain energy)
-Molten Destruction semi-burn/"offensive burn" (RFS, SFD, UBK, UFO Turtle, Thestalos)
-Stall burn by cards in play (Secret Barrel, Des Koala, Ojama Trio)
-Spellcasters burn (Dark Eradicator Warlock, yet to be developed though)
-Cannon Soldier burn damage

There's probably even more too...