Ha, you Wish !

[Dark Azelf]

Well that infact the name of this team, well the move its based around anyways.

This has taken me rather along time to come up with, not only just to "Shove standard together" (Which may be what it looks like lol) but to actually cover weaknesses and threats whilst still keeping it as a balanced set up.

Also alot of though has gone into this, as im one of those people who if i see a slight problem i have to scrap the whole thing lol, so its taken alot of building and re-building. This is what ive come up with so far.

Overview of my team : -


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The team in depth


*Lava spewing trashcan*, The Heatran

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Heatran@Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
252 SP.ATT / 236 SPEED / 20 HP
- Fire Blast
- hidden power Ice
- Explosion
- Earth Power

Standard, i was thinking Taunt/Earthpower/Fire Blast/Explosion originally, but i wanted something fast and this is exactly that, it also smashes stuff and has many resistances. A pretty nice lead and one of my fav pokemon. Its so fun to switch in on an outraging Garchomp aswell lol. Covers Celebi's MANY weaknesses well to an extent aswell. With a scarf he is faster than base 120s such as (and most notably) Dugtrio, which i can OHKO with Fire Blast.

*Wreck your mom*, The Heracross.
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Heracross@Choice Band
252 ATT / 152 SPEED SPEED / 104 HP
Adamant Nature
- Megahorn
- Close Combat
- Night Slash
- Stone Edge

Now when most people say this is a good sweeper, they arnt wrong, however i hate using semi slow sweepers, id much rather Scarf it, but W/E, this smashes through walls that are not named Gliscor and Weezing. Also helps with my DD Tyranitar w/ ice Beam, and especially Boah problem. Breaks Cresselia, Dusknoir and Celebi, considering i get walled by most of the aforementioned. As if 574 Attack wasn't enough, Heracross can gain a further boost by switching into a status move. With Choice Band and Guts activated, Heracross will essentially be operating with over a "free" Swords Dance every time he unleashes his attacks. It is essentially going to unleash a world of a pain on my opponents.

*Roll Over n Die 2 pursuit*, The Celebi

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Celebi@leftovers
252 HP / 216 DEF / 36 SPEED / 8 SP.DEF
Bold Nature
- Heal Bell
- Perish Song
- Grass Knot
- Recover

I wanted something to deal with Bulky waters, and this is what this does, it beat up Gyarados, Swampert, Suicune hence why i have Perish Song, if Swampert or Suicune try and Curse or Calm mind up respectively, they have to switch out within 3 turns or die, thus canceling out stat changes =) Grass Knot does alot to Gyarados aswell, a 120 Base Power move on it i believe plus STAB = Pwned , even if it has Ice Fang it still usually looses XD. Its also my cleric and lol's at anything Breloom throws at me. The nickname up there is the only reason i hate using it.

*Catching flies ?*, The Gyarados
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Gyarados@leftovers
212 HP / 16 ATT / 180 DEF / 100 SPEED
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Earthquake / Stone Edge
- Taunt
- Dragon Dance

Wow, what doesnt this do, ive re found my love of this, its here to beat up infernape, Weavile, Garchomp and most importantly to come in and Intimidate Heracross and survive anything the bug throws at him, if i switch it into a stone edge i dont care, just because i have wish support which keeps him alive longer and he can come back later on something thats not a threat and take the wish and heal up. Its also my late game sweeper and a beast even more so with Wish support.



*Log Roll* The Donphan
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Donphan@leftovers
252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 ATT
Impish nature
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Rapid Spin
- Stealth Rock

This is my utility and physical wall, it beats up t-tar pretty badly too aswell as setting up SR , PHazing, and Spinning. I was gonna have Ice Shard, but i figured Celebi's Perish Song was not going to beat Ninjask, due to X-Scissor, and i have Ice Moves else where so i figured PHazing was more important. Now the main spin blockers are Spiritomb, Dusknoir and Gengar, 2 of which cant touch Heatran and Heracross, infact actually helping them with Will-o-wisp, which makes them even more deadly(unless Dusknoir has the very rare EQ and/or Fire Punch or Spiritomb has Hidden power Ground or Fighting, which means the latter still cant touch heracross, so i win either way lol). Gengar is still a problem which is why i have this next pokemon.


*UU FTW !!*, The Blissey
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Blissey@leftovers
252 DEF / 212 SP.DEF / 40 SP.Att
Calm nature
Trait : Natural Cure
- Wish
- protect
- ice Beam
- Seismic Toss

This is the heart of my team and provides wish support for gyarados and Donphan aswell of the rest of my team should they need it, Protect makes me really laugh, as its not only there to activate Wish for itself, but to scout idiots who think the way how to beat blissey is Explosion *Looks at Azelf* =) along with other unexpected moves. Protect is also great along with wish which is vital as this can stall aswell, such as Gengar out of Focus Blast or Heatran out of fire blast and mainly why it heavily evd in sp.def and has a calm nature. I thought Toxic >> ice Beam, but i have problems with Dragons, so yeah.

Threat List : -

Tyranitar: Donpahan takes most versions, if it has Ice Beam or is a boah, Heracross takes it.

Gyarados: Celebi and Grass Knot would probably be my best counter. EQ , SE and Watefall do ass, which leaves the base 65 Ice Fang, and it still looses even if it has that lol.

Infernape: Gyarados takes most of them, and Donphan takes physical versions, if it tries to be smart and Nasty Plot on the turn i switch Gyarados in, which will make Grass Knot beastly i wall go to heatran to take it.

Azelf: Hi my name is Heatran and i wall you unless you have Hidden power Fighting =). Blissey also scouts for explosions, hence protect and take hits easily due to the heavy evs in sp.def

Rhyperior: Celebi, although it doesnt like Megahorns, Donphan would be its best counter.

Electivire: Oh noes, well the standard it walled by Donphan, Mixvire is not a problem really seeing as i dont infact have an electric move on this team lol XD, so it can be revenge killed by Heatran.

Heracross: Gyarados walls CB unless it switches into Stone Edge, which wont OHKO and in which case i go to donphan or revenge kill with Heatran, Scarf Cross is lol and gest walled by Gyarados and Donphan again

Salamence: Well this will cause problems, Blissey takes special versions, and physical versions one on one due to ice Beam, Physical versions are a pain, although i could put Ice Shard on Gyarados but thats its only real use for this team.

Togekiss: Blissey, although i will have to be careful of certain sets.

Gengar: Blissey outstalls focus blast with Wish and protect, scouts for explosion and focus punch.

Garchomp: Gyarados, Donphan take physcail versions, Heatran switches into CS/CB Outrages and Hits back with Hidden power Ice =)

Raikou: Blissey

Lucario: Blissey take special, Gyarados Intimidates physical and can threaten to EQ it along with a combination of Donphan,

Tauros: Donphan

Starmie: Blissey

Weavile:Gyarados

Dugtrio: How can you counter this idiot if you cant switch out ? Everything on my team is packing a SE hit anyways and the only things that arnt is like Donphan, lol good luck surviving and EQ Duggy, Only thing that REALLY fears it iS Hera .

Alakazam: Blissey, if it doesnt trick, Heatran can revenge kill.

PorygonZ: Blissey, and especially seeing as its such heavily defensivly ev'd.

Medicham: Donphan takes it most times, and Gyarados can intimidate it..Celebi resists everything bar Ice Punch.

Staraptor: Donphan, Gyarados.

Slowbro: Heracross rapes it, although cannot switch in on psychic, Gyarados takes it without HP Electric. Blissey outstalls it with Wish and Protect and Celebi thwarts and Calm Minds with Perish Song and threatens to Grass Knot it.

Machamp:Gyarados, Celebi,

Jolteon: Celebi Perish Songs Baton Pass attempts and Blissey takes it anyways.

Aerodactyl: Donphan

Snorlax: Celebi and Donphan PHaze Curses and Hera rapes it.

Zapdos: I would switch in Celebi to PHae it and rack up SR damage on it, hera takes it all day thanks to base 95 sp.def, bar Drill Peck which is really rare.

Blissey: heracross and Heatrans explosion say hi =)

Suicune:Celebi rapes this, PHazing any calm minds and Grass Knotting it.

Sceptile: Blissey takes special, heatran takes physcal, aslong as there is no brick break, Gyarados can aslong as it doesnt have the rare T-Punch.

Breloom: Use something as Sleep fodder and let celebi go to work, it cant do squat to Celebi, Grass Knot JUST breaks its subs and it can be PHazed with Perish Song. Heatran beats it one on one.

Slaking: Donphan and Bliss takes the joke special versions.

Tangrowth: Heatran,Heracross.

Ninjask:SR and Roar on Donphan >>> Nubjask.

Metagross: Donphan.

Heatran: Bliss scouts for explosion and can outstall Fire Blast with Wish and Protect, Gyarados takes it, bar Explosion, HP Electric and C Specs Flash Fire Boosted Fire Blasts.

Celebi: Heatran.

Jirachi: Heatran.

Rate, suggestions ?

 

[Anti]

Donohan can't really counter Tauros well since it doesn't resist it's horribly powered STAB attack very well and with no recovery donohan is in trouble. 95 base Defense means Earthquake is not a problem. then again nobody uses it. also you could switch to Heatran but Donphan would have taken a hefty blow.

Good choice of Heracross BTW.

 

[sims796]

Donohan can't really counter Tauros well since it doesn't resist it's horribly powered STAB attack very well and with no recovery donohan is in trouble. 95 base Defense means Earthquake is not a problem. then again nobody uses it. also you could switch to Heatran but Donphan would have taken a hefty blow.

Good choice of Heracross BTW.

Horribly absurd CB powered STAB.

He forgot Vileplume to his threat list. Then again, I'm the only one who says it should be an uber :P

 

[Dark Azelf]

Donohan can't really counter Tauros well since it doesn't resist it's horribly powered STAB attack very well and with no recovery donohan is in trouble. 95 base Defense means Earthquake is not a problem. then again nobody uses it. also you could switch to Heatran but Donphan would have taken a hefty blow.

Good choice of Heracross BTW.

Whoops, stupid over poweful STAB move, thats why i have heatran to resist Dragon and cover weaknesses. I do have Wish support as its recovey move, so yeah =p.

Which do you reckon is more beneficial, Roar or Ice Shard on Donphan, if i dont run Ice Shard i get raped by DD Sally, and withour roar, i dont have a PHaze Move (Besides Celebi's Perish Song, but thats now going to be useful against Ninjask due to X-Scissor) so im kinda stuck on that.

Vileplume = Uber lol


EDIT : Why is Tauros threatening, it does ass to donphan, well not ass, it 3/4hkos it with Lefties recovery.

Standard Jolly Choice Band Return

Defender HP: 384
Damage: 134 - 158
Damage: 34.90% - 41.15%

ON Impish 252 HP / 252 DEF Donphan.

 

[sims796]

I say Ice Shard. Perish Song is still a great awy to force switches.

 

[Dark Azelf]

I say Ice Shard. Perish Song is still a great awy to force switches.

Yeah, thats what i was thinking, ill be screwed against Ninjask though, stupid X-Scissor =[,, although i pack Ice Shard and Taunt on this team, so meh.

 

[Anti]

Adamant is way cooler on Tauros to make up for its average attack IMO.

Either way most teams that carry Raikou will carry Dugtrio (for obvious reasons), and it will be a real problem for your team. It kills blissey on a predicted Softboiled turn so it can switch in and absolutely Wrecks Heatran that isn't fire Blasting and mows over Heracross.

also Duggy can make Perish Song totally backfire on Celebi and can probably (though I'm not sure) take a grass knot. It after all will take Hidden Power from Raikou (Ice/Grass) and survive.

Now Gyarados can scare it away after every kill but wow you're in trouble :0 Dugtrio is a serious pest.

It will also smoke donphan at low health but that's much less of a worry.

Generally stable but any team with Duggy (and a player that knows how to use it) will massacre thee. Blissey has a chance with Protect but a little Spikes or SR damage will end that.

That's the only (ZONG that thing massacres you!" weak on here. There aren't really many other weaks in general.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Adamant is way cooler on Tauros to make up for its average attack IMO.

Most people run Jolly for speed with Choice Band, Adamant with Scarf which i dont fear

Either way most teams that carry Raikou will carry Dugtrio (for obvious reasons), and it will be a real problem for your team. It kills blissey on a predicted Softboiled turn so it can switch in and absolutely Wrecks Heatran that isn't fire Blasting and mows over Heracross.


My Blissey Has Wish, Protect and Ice Beam =P


also Duggy can make Perish Song totally backfire on Celebi and can probably (though I'm not sure) take a grass knot. It after all will take Hidden Power from Raikou (Ice/Grass) and survive.

Duggy cant take a hit lol, and Celebi has Recover, Which means Aerial Ace and Sucker Punch do ass to it, maybe your thinking of HP Bug, from Advance ?

Now Gyarados can scare it away after every kill but wow you're in trouble :0 Dugtrio is a serious pest.


Not really, only thing that fear it is Heracross and Heatran (if its stuck in a crap move, Hidden power ice, Explosion and Fire Blast waste it, i dont even think it can survive an earth power, and im running Scarf therefore outrun it) hera dies to it though =[

It will also smoke donphan at low health but that's much less of a worry.

ice Shard ?

Generally stable but any team with Duggy (and a player that knows how to use it) will massacre thee. Blissey has a chance with Protect but a little Spikes or SR damage will end that.

Doesnt bliss get 2hko'd by Choice Band EQ? So i can Wish, protect, ice Beam.

That's the only (ZONG that thing massacres you!" weak on here. There aren't really many other weaks in general.

Thanks lol

TBH i fear dd mence more than duggy.

 

[Anti]

I mean that if Celebi uses Perish song and you stay in too long, Gudtrio at the very least can bring Celebi down with it. also Ice Shard won't OHKO Duggy or anything.

Also Wish, Protect, and Ice Beam will get unreliable fast. Blissey will have to defend itself constantly and will have to protect itself, meaning it won't be able to attack.

Also stalling out Dugtrio is only waiting for a critical hit, which will most likely happen. That's the biggest obstacle really. Also Bli8ssey probably won't be coming in and being 100% healthy and if Duggy comes in when you do, it's game over :(

While in theory you could beat Duggy with Blissey, it isn't likely. when I ran the stall team and had WishBliss, I faced 3 Dugtrios and lost to all three.

 

[Faceless*]

And you have yourself a mean Heracross weakness my friend, once Heracross is sent out with your Blissey using Wish, you would switch into Celebi or Donphan, Celebi can be hit with Megahorn and Donphan can be hit with a fully powered Close Combat. Switch in Gyarados? Well, once you cycled and predicted correctly, it will be hard to send Blissey out and switch it out again since Heracross will be sent out again, performing a move based on prediction.

Also, your WORST weakness is : Gyarados. lol, don't try Gyarados with your own Gyarados XDDDD (Remember what happened in our battle Dark Azelf? XDDD 1+ Speed FTW!)

To fix these weaknesses? Add is Focus Sash Gengar. (Can you figure out anything else?)

 

[Dark Azelf]

And you have yourself a mean Heracross weakness my friend, once Heracross is sent out with your Blissey using Wish, you would switch into Celebi or Donphan, Celebi can be hit with Megahorn and Donphan can be hit with a fully powered Close Combat. Switch in Gyarados? Well, once you cycled and predicted correctly, it will be hard to send Blissey out and switch it out again since Heracross will be sent out again, performing a move based on prediction.

Thats why Gyarados is actually here to resist heracross STAB Moves, to switch in on Heracros and Intimidate it, i can also predict aswell you know, its obvious Stone Edge is coming the next time, so go go Donphan. Thats Bliss's job, Wish on the switch, send in a counter, the counter takes the hit and recives the wish, to be healed fully. if your referring to Scarf Cross, thats really not a threat, even Donphan takes that.




Also, your WORST weakness is : Gyarados. lol, don't try Gyarados with your own Gyarados XDDDD (Remember what happened in our battle Dark Azelf? XDDD 1+ Speed FTW!)

Celebi wastes Gyarados, Grass knot get 120 Base power against it + STAB which is a 180 base power move, its like tangrowths power whip which a believe 2/3hko's, Gyarados has to dragon dance around 3 times to do anything, thats assuming it even has Ice Fang.

Defender HP: 384
Damage: 195 - 230
Damage: 50.78% - 59.90%

180 Base Power Grass Knot on 212 hp / 0 sp.def Gyarados.


Yes remember that battle, but ive since re-bred alot of my guys and that Gyarados now has 31 speed evs instead of 30 lol I was so pisses you outran me by one stat point =[. The only reason why i tried to take you with it, is because i basically had nothing to go to. Like 4 of my guys were dead.

To fix these weaknesses? Add is Focus Sash Gengar. (Can you figure out anything else?)

I hate focus sash, Sandstream, Hail say hi.

Yeah, ^^^^^^^^ Bold text.

 

[Ársa]

>_> This looks so much like my team it isn't funny. :(

Wow, I suppose I cannot use mine then, unless this is for Shoddy. (I have 5 of your 6 pokemon with almost identical movesets, bar 1 or 2 moves total)

EDIT: Nice siggy quote. ;)

~T_S

 

[Dark Azelf]

>_> This looks so much like my team it isn't funny. :(

Wow, I suppose I cannot use mine then, unless this is for Shoddy. (I have 5 of your 6 pokemon with almost identical movesets, bar 1 or 2 moves total)

EDIT: Nice siggy quote. ;)

~T_S

j00 c0pi0r !!!!


Oh well, itll be fun should these two teams collide =p



Anymore suggestions ?

 

[Ársa]

Well, considering we both run an extremely similar team (CB Chomp over CB Hera) I could probably find a few flaws in mine and vice versa. Problem is though, my last 10'ish battles have resulted in either 6-0 or 5-0, so I cannot give a definative opinion. Looks like great minds think alike.

EDIT: I've found Stone Edge/Waterfall/Dragon Dance/Taunt is probably the set I would run. I ran EQ/Ice Fang for awhile, but it was too similar to Donphan and Heatran, who both run Ground/Ice Combo's.

~T_S

 

[Dark Azelf]

Well, considering we both run an extremely similar team (CB Chomp over CB Hera) I could probably find a few flaws in mine and vice versa. Problem is though, my last 10'ish battles have resulted in either 6-0 or 5-0, so I cannot give a definative opinion. Looks like great minds think alike.

EDIT: I've found Stone Edge/Waterfall/Dragon Dance/Taunt is probably the set I would run. I ran EQ/Ice Fang for awhile, but it was too similar to Donphan and Heatran, who both run Ground/Ice Combo's.

~T_S

5 or 6-0, you won by that many i hope =p

CB Chomp is beastly, it really wastes stuff.

Anyways yeah, i like EQ on Gyara due to E-Vire, magnezone, etc. But i may just run that, thanks ;)

 

[Anti]

Still has a problem with Raikou teams :(

Also Azelf is a but of a problemo here, it can predict your wish and protect turns and power up further and can waste Blissey. Your only hope would be Scarfed Heatran and Fire blast will always miss at the worst times :( If Azelf gets 2 nasty plots in, which could very well happen, it's gg sadly.

Also Garcho9mp can switch in on Heatran's Fire move and really cause trouble, and if Donphan is on low Health you're in trouble. then agian that's a bit hypothetical, but you wouldn't be able to pass wish since blissey gets hammered by chomp, so yeah.

I reiterate to watch out for Duggy-nate-or.

Also I just noticed you have a lot of trouble with Weavile, who donphan cannot counter.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Still has a problem with Raikou teams :(

Also Azelf is a but of a problemo here, it can predict your wish and protect turns and power up further and can waste Blissey. Your only hope would be Scarfed Heatran and Fire blast will always miss at the worst times :( If Azelf gets 2 nasty plots in, which could very well happen, it's gg sadly.


Blissey is heavily ev'd in sp.def to deal with things like that. It does ass to it, i deserve to loose if i let it Nasty Plot that many times, it needs 3 Nasty Plots and a Life Orb to 2hko me, anything below that is not 2hko.By which times i Wish, S-Toss, Wish, ST-Toss, Wish, S-Toss and due to life orb it dies.The only time Azelf can even beat this version of Blissey is with Explosion. Heatrans Fire Blast hardly ever misses so thats not an issue which wastes Azelf regardless.

Also Garcho9mp can switch in on Heatran's Fire move and really cause trouble, and if Donphan is on low Health you're in trouble. then agian that's a bit hypothetical, but you wouldn't be able to pass wish since blissey gets hammered by chomp, so yeah.

Ice Shard from Donphan, Choice Scarf Hidden power Ice from heatran, Gyarados just lols at it, unless its Scarfed and has stone edge. Those 100 evs in speed arnt just for show on bulkyDos you know, they're there to outspeed it after a dragon dance which = 2HKO by waterfall. Also if Heatran gets a Flash Fire Boost Garchomp is 2hko'd by said Heatran, and it wont last for long if its taking STAB'D fire blasts each time it switches in anyways.

I reiterate to watch out for Duggy-nate-or.

Duggy really fails. Bliss ohkos it with Ice Beam, Donphan lols at it, Gyarados lols at it, Celebi lols at it as it cant do ass to it and Celebi just recovers off the damage and just Grass Knots it until it goes away. Heatran lols at it, not only does it get outspeed it, but it cant Survive a Hidden power Ice, Fire Blast, Explosion. The following is just sad

Defender HP: 212
Damage: 189 - 223
Damage: 89.15% - 105.19%

Thats with an unstabbed Earthpower =/

The only thing that even remotely fears it is Heracross, thats not a HUGE weakness to it.

Also I just noticed you have a lot of trouble with Weavile, who donphan cannot counter.


Gyarados comes in and gives it a -1 attack stage for its troubles and even Scarf Tran can revenge kill it

Comments are in bold. ^^^ =p

 

[Anti]

Before I get onto the rest of the post I can tell you Blissey doesn't OHKO Dugtrio with Ice Beam. Dugtrio can survive Hidden Power from Raikou dude :0

Also with Blissey you aren't factoring in the chance of your SDef dropping and stalling Azelf out doesn't last long. I've used Wish bliss before with those EVs, it ha more trouble with Azelf than you'd think. Also 2 nasty plots is a 2HKO, not 3.

Adamant Dugtrio always beats Blissey one on one with a Choice Band. Even WishBliss can't last long. you're right about Heatran though, but if Duggy isn't OHKOed that will not be pleasant.

Celebi does have Dugtrio problems though. I mean Perish Song and Duggy trapping Celebi so it can't escape. A minor threat and you'll be able to kill it in the process, but worth noting for sure.

Gyarados doesn't really like Weavile though :( You're basically taking away its CB boost with Intimidate but Ice Punch is still going to sting.

Also Dugtrio can't fail that much if it can beat half your team :P

 

[Dark Azelf]

Before I get onto the rest of the post I can tell you Blissey doesn't OHKO Dugtrio with Ice Beam. Dugtrio can survive Hidden Power from Raikou dude :0

It still does heaps to it which will make is less of a threat later. If it switches into a SR it has the chance to OHko, thats what i meant =p

Also with Blissey you aren't factoring in the chance of your SDef dropping and stalling Azelf out doesn't last long. I've used Wish bliss before with those EVs, it ha more trouble with Azelf than you'd think. Also 2 nasty plots is a 2HKO, not 3.


In which case ill still go to heatran if it starts using Psychic, i ran some calcs and the most it can ever do after 2 Nasty Plots is 53% to blissey and it has more chance to do less than that.


Adamant Dugtrio always beats Blissey one on one with a Choice Band. Even WishBliss can't last long. you're right about Heatran though, but if Duggy isn't OHKOed that will not be pleasant.


And if it decides to kill bliss, it = Free DD or a Waterfall/EQ/SE depending on what i predict will come in.


Celebi does have Dugtrio problems though. I mean Perish Song and Duggy trapping Celebi so it can't escape. A minor threat and you'll be able to kill it in the process, but worth noting for sure.

Why, Aerial Ace, Sucker Punch and Stone Edge do nothing , which leaves EQ again still doing nothing, This Celebi Ev spread survives a Crunch from a Life Orb'd Adamant Lucario with a Swords Dance under its belt. Ill easily recover off any damage from Duggy.


Gyarados doesn't really like Weavile though :( You're basically taking away its CB boost with Intimidate but Ice Punch is still going to sting.


Gyara loves weavile, Even more so if i decide to use stone edge. Ice Punch does near to nothing as does Night Slash


Also Dugtrio can't fail that much if it can beat half your team :P


Possibly Blissey and definitely Heracross, not half

Again comments in bold lol

 

[sims796]

I find Gyarados makes one of the best Weavile counters there are, especially when youswitch Gya into Weavile.