Ha, you Wish !

Celebi gets hanmmered by Sucker Punch and Aerial Ace :P It doesn't fear Dugtrio but Duggy will take out a weakened Celebi and can revenge kill it.

Also Dugtrio's mission isn't to stay alive. If it kills Blissey, its purpose has been fulfilled and it won't care if you revenge kill it. Also taking out your best way to deal with Blissey in Heracross is no fun either.

What I'm trying to say with Dugtrio here is that you rely on blissey too much to wall special attacks. If Azelf has Explosion to kill blissey and Raikou is waiting in the wings, you're in a lot of trouble.

I mean really, a lot of sets these days are very anti-blissey and are designed for the sole purpose of taking it out. I mean if Regice blows up out of nowhere (that has happened to me a few times from Regice actually :() you'r in deep trouble.

It's kind of like those Skarmbliss teams with nothing else to back them up, only this one is constructed much better.

So what I'm saying is that Blissey needs some help, and Celebi and Gyara just don't do it.

I mean you can scout for explosion, but Azelf can outsmart you and scout for protect by using Psychic or flamethrower first. Then it can go BOOM.

Also Gyarados cannot take repeated hits from Weavile. Wishpassing with something as weak to physical attacks as Blissey can hurt since that same Weavile can come in and Pursuit blissey to its death.

And keep in mind Dugtrio can make Perish Song backfire on Celebi as I've mentioned before :P
 
Anti-Pop said:
Celebi gets hanmmered by Sucker Punch and Aerial Ace :P It doesn't fear Dugtrio but Duggy will take out a weakened Celebi and can revenge kill it.


Sucker punch is its biggest weapon against Celebi, im going to recover regardless if im weakened, which means sucker punch fails to hit. Aerial ace does ass.

Sucker punch does.

Defender HP: 404
Damage: 155 - 183
Damage: 38.37% - 45.30%

Grass Knot nearly ohkos duggy and definitely does if it switches in on a SR.





Also Dugtrio's mission isn't to stay alive. If it kills Blissey, its purpose has been fulfilled and it won't care if you revenge kill it. Also taking out your best way to deal with Blissey in Heracross is no fun either.

Again if im remotely weakened, i will Wish. Its not really my best way to beat Bliss, i have Gyarados and Explosion on Heatran, if its the last pokemon Celebi beats it with Perish Song.

What I'm trying to say with Dugtrio here is that you rely on blissey too much to wall special attacks. If Azelf has Explosion to kill blissey and Raikou is waiting in the wings, you're in a lot of trouble.

I can predict aswell you know, what if i use Ice Beam first AND then protect whilst they explode. Ceelbi will still beat Raikou via Perish Song. Why am i relying on Bliss too much ? a team only needs 1 sp.wall and thats what bliss is, what do you want me to do, put in Regice and snorlax ? Gyarados and celebi have 100 base def and Heatran has 108 base sp.def i believe, and can take their share of sp.hits so that a null point

I mean really, a lot of sets these days are very anti-blissey and are designed for the sole purpose of taking it out. I mean if Regice blows up out of nowhere (that has happened to me a few times from Regice actually :() you'r in deep trouble.

Protect ?. And its pretty obvious that if a pokemon comes into blissey it has a shot of beating it, and i will go to the appropriate counter.

It's kind of like those Skarmbliss teams with nothing else to back them up, only this one is constructed much better.

Gyarados, Celebi resist fighting moves as well as ward off Weavile, Gyarados etc between them, and in turn they get a Wish. Donphan beats T-Tar. All who are HUGE threat to bliss, SO dont ever say there is no support for Bliss, look over my threat list, and i believe you will have found them covered.


So what I'm saying is that Blissey needs some help, and Celebi and Gyara just don't do it.

Which is why i have donphan, aswell, hence why the set is called "SupportPhan", Heatran takes Azelf aswell as it apparently "causes problems"

I mean you can scout for explosion, but Azelf can outsmart you and scout for protect by using Psychic or flamethrower first. Then it can go BOOM.

I can predict aswell you know, via using ice beam first and then protecting if it chooses to explode. Heatran walls it all day long unless it has Hp Fighting and it still outspeeds it anyways.

Also Gyarados cannot take repeated hits from Weavile. Wishpassing with something as weak to physical attacks as Blissey can hurt since that same Weavile can come in and Pursuit blissey to its death.

Which is why i have Protect, if it tries and Pursuits me i stay in, its not hard it it ?. Gyarados beats weavile. End. Night Slash and Ice Punch are not 2HKO'S. Waterfall is. Which is why i have wish support to support Gyarados aswell, to further emphasize it as a weavile counter.

And keep in mind Dugtrio can make Perish Song backfire on Celebi as I've mentioned before :P

And i wont use it until i have found out they dont have a duggy.
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Duggy does not have the chance to take out 1 or 2 of my pokemon tops and i dont particularly fear it.

Blisseys Ice Beam Ohkos it if it comes in on a SR and any decent Blissey user knows that when his bliss falls below 1/2 health to heal, i wont let it get that low.

Heatran outspeeds it so therefore it cannot revenge kill me. All moves on the set Ohko Duggy. Even earth power does if it comes in a SR.

Celebi' Grass Knot Ohko's if it switches into a SR, Sucker Punch fails to 2hko, as does AA, so im gonna have to be at like deep into orange/yellow zone and nearly red if it wishes to beat me. Which means im basically death fodder anyways and i wont let myself get that low, as thats what recover is for.

Donphan Beats it regardless.

So only heracross looses to a revenge kill. Which = a free switch in after to do whatever i want so its not that big deal.

Its not too threatening and i dont want to hear anymore about it. We're going to have to agree to disagree.

Im much more concerned about DD Sally.
 
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Raikou can give Celebgi an HP Ice or two it won't ever forget and then run off. You can only put Raikou out of commision, it will still come back and kill Celebi.

Also it's very hard to predict an Azelf Explosion, especially when it's hidden very well.

BTW when I said when Celebi is weak I meant Dugtrio would hit with Aerial Ace. Celebi has a lot of weaknesses so it being low on health...it happens a lot.

when I said Blissey needs help I meant special walling, donphan can only take special thunderbolts and that's about it.

Back to Gyarados. your argument supports mine (which is that you rely on Bliss too much) because when Gyarados loses its Wish support, it will take a beating from Weavile.

When Blissey is alive your team is very strong, but if it dies you're in trouble :(
 
Anti-Pop said:
Still has a problem with Raikou teams :(

Also Azelf is a but of a problemo here, it can predict your wish and protect turns and power up further and can waste Blissey. Your only hope would be Scarfed Heatran and Fire blast will always miss at the worst times :( If Azelf gets 2 nasty plots in, which could very well happen, it's gg sadly.

Also Garcho9mp can switch in on Heatran's Fire move and really cause trouble, and if Donphan is on low Health you're in trouble. then agian that's a bit hypothetical, but you wouldn't be able to pass wish since blissey gets hammered by chomp, so yeah.

I reiterate to watch out for Duggy-nate-or.

Also I just noticed you have a lot of trouble with Weavile, who donphan cannot counter.
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That is what Gyara is for. Resists Earthquake and Lowers Attack Stat.

~T_S

EDIT: Azelf already mentioned that. :P
 
Yeah, tell me who tries to beat Gyarados with Dugtrio? It's great after it kills something but something getting killed is no fun :0 The entire point of dugtrio is to come in on predicted Thunder Waves and stuff and just mash whatever you want.

Also watch out for Mixed Vire, who can hurt a lot of your team pretty badly. Heatran can revenge it but yeah, Mix Vire is not nice >:0 Physical vire is no problem at least.
 
Gyarados will not be able to beat Garchomp unless it has Ice Fang, and this one doesn't. Chomp can nail it with Dragon Claw and that'll hurt pretty bad with some SD in there.
 
Anti-Pop said:
Gyarados will not be able to beat Garchomp unless it has Ice Fang, and this one doesn't. Chomp can nail it with Dragon Claw and that'll hurt pretty bad with some SD in there.
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After a DD Waterfall is a 2hko and thats what those 100 evs are for on BulkyDos, to reach 334 speed so it can outspeed it by one stat point, besides i have Ice Shard on Donphan should all go wrong.

Edit : And the fact that i have nothing to activate Motor Drive on E-Vire makes it not too threatening.
 
Anti-Pop said:
Gyarados will not be able to beat Garchomp unless it has Ice Fang, and this one doesn't. Chomp can nail it with Dragon Claw and that'll hurt pretty bad with some SD in there.
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lol, you just said that Garchomp switches into Heatran's Fire Blast. Fire Blast takes a Sizeable chunk, and now Gyara says hi then bye... o_0

~T_S
 
Tortured_Soul said:
lol, you just said that Garchomp switches into Heatran's Fire Blast. Fire Blast takes a Sizeable chunk, and now Gyara says hi then bye... o_0

~T_S
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Um no I didn't, but if I did I'd still be right. Garchomp resist fire Blast and unboosted Heatran will have to switch or it'll die to Earthquake (and let's not forget Blast's shady accuracy) and Garchomp can SD on the switch and hammer Gyarados with Dragon Claw.

It doesn't really matter though, since as Dark_Azelf said Donphan can take out Garchomp. Gyarados can't counter Garchomp though, I can tell you that.
 
Anti-Pop said:
Also Garcho9mp can switch in on Heatran's Fire move and really cause trouble, and if Donphan is on low Health you're in trouble. then agian that's a bit hypothetical, but you wouldn't be able to pass wish since blissey gets hammered by chomp, so yeah
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Yeah you did, but it doesn't matter, Donphan can take it, you're right. :P

~T_S
 
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