Hatsune Miku

[Cynic Kaka]

You thought wrong, apparently. And for the record, I think she's actually rather cute. :3

"It's awesome in many ways. Tell me what your favorite Hatsune Miku song is. "

The topic in this topic is for songs.

Melt's also a good song by her.

 

[twocows]

"It's awesome in many ways. Tell me what your favorite Hatsune Miku song is. "

The topic in this topic is for songs.

Melt's also a good song by her.

I read that as a suggestion for the previously stated topic, not the topic itself. Either way, it doesn't matter; it's not like it's a problem if people discuss more than the songs themselves.

On another note, does anybody know what sort of software is used to create these songs? I'm sure it's painfully obvious, but I actually couldn't find it.

 

[digi-kun]

I read that as a suggestion for the previously stated topic, not the topic itself. Either way, it doesn't matter; it's not like it's a problem if people discuss more than the songs themselves.

On another note, does anybody know what sort of software is used to create these songs? I'm sure it's painfully obvious, but I actually couldn't find it.

You mean the Vocaloid software? Miku, Rin/Ren, Luka, Miki, etc. are in the Vocaloid 2 series, while Meiko and Kaito are part of the original Vocaloid. Shouldn't be too had to find considering how godforsakingly expensive they are ($160-$200 each)

 

[twocows]

You mean the Vocaloid software? Miku, Rin/Ren, Luka, Miki, etc. are in the Vocaloid 2 series, while Meiko and Kaito are part of the original Vocaloid. Shouldn't be too had to find considering how godforsakingly expensive they are ($160-$200 each)

Yeah, that's what I wanted to know, thanks. :D

 

[Rhydderch]

It seems to me like this is the same as saying that you can't get across emotion using a synthesizer (or really, any instrument now that I think about it), which I find ridiculous. The voice itself may be just a tool, but there is a person behind it operating that tool, and that's where the emotion comes from. This is true for all instruments; they're tools, and by themselves are emotionless. A good musician will be able to bring out emotions through the instrument, whether it be a violin or a computer program.

If you can't see the difference between how an acoustic instrument and a computer program create music...ugh. It's completely different with how expression can be done. It's different with a live performer because they can add some things that a program cannot (see: improvisations, cadenzas, etc.).

I'm not saying electronic software is intrinsically emotionless. However, Vocaloid software does not have the same impact as a normal voice simply because it cannot perfectly emulate what a voice does. Sure, no computer program can accurately do that as of late, but it cannot deliver the same level of proper expression that one might demand from vocal music. I dunno, maybe I've spent too much time with operatic vocals.

It all comes down to personal preference, but I just don't see myself using Vocaloid software in my future works simply because they don't work for what I write. Vibrato sounds like absolute garbage.Not to mention the fact that I'd rather be spending my money on some more studio time

That being said, Light Song has been stuck in my head for a few days. Not because it's good, but because it's catchy. AAAGH IT'S INFECTING ME GET IT OUT GET IT OUT[/joke]

 

[Crystal-Heart]

I really don't like Hatsune Miku. Don't get me wrong, I think that Vocaloid is a really clever program, and I think it's great how some people can make nice-sounding songs with it. But I hate Hatsune Miku. I hate fetishized moe characters that objectifty girls. I hate what characters like Hatsune Miku are doing to anime and Japanese culture in general. Every time I type in one of my favorite songs on Youtube, and I see a Vocaloid remix with Hatsune Miku dancing idiotically in the video, I fear for humanity.

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Eh? Almost any type of girl can be fetishized. Girly, Tomboy, Petite, Busty, Fat, ect. Why is it that any time something looks feminine or cute, its "objectifying women". I honestly believe that super-feminists are ruining women's image. They're making it so that men, and even some women, are afraid to say something that could be seen as "objectifying", even something as harmless as ma'am or miss (I actually heard someone get yelled for referring to a young lady as "miss") I'm a feminist myself, but not to the point of not wanting to be seen as a woman, I actually prefer to be referred to in feminine ways, such as how my title says Keyblade Mistress instead of the usual Keyblade Master. There are times when I'll dress in a distinctly feminine way and there are times I wear gender-neutral clothes. I should also mention that Hatsune Miku is popular with girls as well and doesn't feature the "fan-service" some other anime & video game characters have. She seems to have been designed as a character that males and females would enjoy.

Anyway, back to the point, I just became a fan of Miku, specifally for her cute design, and haven't yet listened to the songs (I currently have a headache) and I've just collected quite a bit of artwork of her.

Edit: I just listened to a few, I really like her version of "Melodies of Life" from Final Fantasy IX. I also really like "You", "Miki no Ivu", & "Hekii Usagi".

 

[digi-kun]

If you can't see the difference between how an acoustic instrument and a computer program create music...ugh. It's completely different with how expression can be done. It's different with a live performer because they can add some things that a program cannot (see: improvisations, cadenzas, etc.).

I'm not saying electronic software is intrinsically emotionless. However, Vocaloid software does not have the same impact as a normal voice simply because it cannot perfectly emulate what a voice does. Sure, no computer program can accurately do that as of late, but it cannot deliver the same level of proper expression that one might demand from vocal music. I dunno, maybe I've spent too much time with operatic vocals.

It all comes down to personal preference, but I just don't see myself using Vocaloid software in my future works simply because they don't work for what I write. Vibrato sounds like absolute garbage.Not to mention the fact that I'd rather be spending my money on some more studio time

That being said, Light Song has been stuck in my head for a few days. Not because it's good, but because it's catchy. AAAGH IT'S INFECTING ME GET IT OUT GET IT OUT[/joke]

You've totally been saying that Vocaloid software is emotionless, which is what twocows is so worked up about XD Your argument so far has been "The vocaloid software is emotionless, and is therefore not as good as a human sung song, no matter how bad it may be. Therefore, absolutely no volcaloid songs can be good."

While I do believe that the Vocaloid software can't compare to a human voice (hence the "I sang it" part in my post), I still believe good songs can be made using it, especially when compared to modern rap, which you're saying is better (or at least, that's the vibe I got off your arguments).

 

[Crystal-Heart]

I think its pretty good. Keep in mind that some musicians in the techno genre have been computerizing their own voices since the genre first started, and their music is still good, well, in my opinion. I can tell its not a real person singing the songs, but I still like 'em. I even downloaded two Hatsune Miku albums, Hatsune Miku 1st Song Album & Supercell. Not to mention that this program gives terrible singers and mute people a way to write and (more or less) perform their own songs.

If nothing else, you have to think about how interesting the programs are themselves. With some fine-tuning, it may be indistinguisable from an actual human..
[joke]The day of the true Synthetic Being is upon us![/joke]

 

[RockmanEXE]

I actually like her singing and my best friend's nickname is Miku.

 

[Rhydderch]

You've totally been saying that Vocaloid software is emotionless, which is what twocows is so worked up about XD Your argument so far has been "The vocaloid software is emotionless, and is therefore not as good as a human sung song, no matter how bad it may be. Therefore, absolutely no volcaloid songs can be good."

While I do believe that the Vocaloid software can't compare to a human voice (hence the "I sang it" part in my post), I still believe good songs can be made using it, especially when compared to modern rap, which you're saying is better (or at least, that's the vibe I got off your arguments).

bzzzzzzzzt Wrong. I'm not saying no Vocaloid songs can be good. I'm merely offering my own reasoning to my opinion, for they are most certainly not my cup of tea. I wish people would just stop getting so hurt over my reasoning for my opinion.

Modern rap and Vocaloid can produce individual results that stand out, even if you don't like then two things themselves. I most certainly still listen to Vocaloid songs in an attempt to try to find one I like (Light Song and Black Rock Shooter are the only two that have come close).

I think its pretty good. Keep in mind that some musicians in the techno genre have been computerizing their own voices since the genre first started, and their music is still good, well, in my opinion. I can tell its not a real person singing the songs, but I still like 'em. I even downloaded two Hatsune Miku albums, Hatsune Miku 1st Song Album & Supercell. Not to mention that this program gives terrible singers and mute people a way to write and (more or less) perform their own songs.

If nothing else, you have to think about how interesting the programs are themselves. With some fine-tuning, it may be indistinguisable from an actual human..
[joke]The day of the true Synthetic Being is upon us![/joke]

I believe I said if you desperately need a Vocaloid program, then it should be used. I just feel like it shouldn't be used unless it's absolutely necessary or unless you're going for these types of vocals.

As far as emulating a real voice, they've got a long way to go. It will eventually happen, but not for a long time.

Please keep in mind that I'm posting my own personal opinions, I am not laying down some sort of law. To each their own.

 

[Crystal-Heart]

I'm not hurt, it doesn't bother me.
Opinions are opinions, they are what makes everyone unique.
For instance, I love Fantasy Games (like Final Fantasy & Dragon Age) but I don't care for shooters (like Modern Warfare & Halo). I'm not saying their bad, just not "my cup of tea" as you say.

I urge everyone to desist in this pointless debate/argument, since it will obviously go nowhere as you can not easily change people opinions.

On Topic: I also really like Megurine Luka. I've listened to a few covers of Japanese and American songs and she sounds pretty good. She's definitely my second favorite Vocaloid in both appearance and voice, right behind Miku of course.
Of Luka's songs, I'd have to say I like this one the most, its a duet with Gackpoid.

 

[digi-kun]

bzzzzzzzzt Wrong. I'm not saying no Vocaloid songs can be good. I'm merely offering my own reasoning to my opinion, for they are most certainly not my cup of tea. I wish people would just stop getting so hurt over my reasoning for my opinion.

Modern rap and Vocaloid can produce individual results that stand out, even if you don't like then two things themselves. I most certainly still listen to Vocaloid songs in an attempt to try to find one I like (Light Song and Black Rock Shooter are the only two that have come close)

Boo boo. I said before, I already said the software can't compare with the human voice. I'm just supplying the line of thought for how your argument interpreted.

Besides, when you call a few of my more favored vocaloid song makers shut-ins with no friends, of course I'm gonna get hurt :/

Also, just to throw it in separate of arguments, but still in context, all the "I sang it" versions are still technically part of the Vocaloid songs. If you can't find a song you like while sung by a vocaloid, you could always try the human sung versions too. You can usually find these in youtube by adding "utatte mita" to your song search. 歌ってみた will probably land you more since most of them are direct title ports from the original. Occasionally you'll also find a "band edition" or a "chorus", but that's generally for the more popular songs.

Here are some samples as far as BRS and Light Song goes :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCmXaAYQElI - BRS single + band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjjqO8Jq9X4 - BRS Chorus + Band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXEFkP2rsgg - Light Song Band

 

[Hagumi]

On Topic: I also really like Megurine Luka. I've listened to a few covers of Japanese and American songs and she songs pretty good. She's definitly my second favorite Vocaloid in both appearance and voice, right behind Miku of course.
Of Luka's songs, I'd have to say I like this one the most, its a duet with Gackpoid.

Ooh, I like that song too~ Luka is my second favourite Vocaloid, with Miku being first. I love how mature Luka's voice sounds compared to the other Vocaloids like Rin/Len, Miku, etc. My top three favourite songs by Luka would be Just Be Friends (Probably one of my most favourite Vocaloid songs out there), Toy Box and Dark To Light.

Miku albums I've got so far: supercell, Re:package, Re:MIKUS, Toy Box, First Sound Story, Solesta!, EAGER LOVE REVENGE, Virtual Songs, -Project DIVA- Original Song Collection, Jewel Colors, harmonia and unformed. xD Yeah, I like Miku a lot. My favourite albums would be supercell, Re:MIKUS (the remixes in this album are amazing) and Toy Box (gotta love OneRoom). The remixes in EAGER LOVE REVENGE are quite good too. (b")b

The first Miku song was "World Is Mine". I loved it; then I listened to Black Rock Shooter and Last Night, Good Night (also one of my favourite Vocaloid songs ever). Good times, gooood times.

Also, are we only allowed to talk about Miku or can we talk about Vocaloid in general?

 

[HoneyBubbles]

I'm not a fan of vocaloid in general. Miku did used to bug me because I got sick of seeing her everywhere, but now I'm used to it. If I had to choose a favorite vocaloid, it'd be Luka since her "Just Be Friends" song was catchy.
Anyway, the robotic tone just doesn't appeal to me. I completely understand how it could be a fun game, but its just not my thing.

 

[Rhydderch]

I urge everyone to desist in this pointless debate/argument, since it will obviously go nowhere as you can not easily change people opinions.

I whole-heartedly agree. I doubt that it was either of our intentions to try to change anybody's views, though, but just to offer our own.

Besides, when you call a few of my more favored vocaloid song makers shut-ins with no friends, of course I'm gonna get hurt :/

Like I said I don't mean to offend, just mean to offer my view on things. Simply put, I was being hyperbolic and apologize if I offended you. It's two completely different worlds, though: what I'm used to and the Vocaloid universe.

Also, just to throw it in separate of arguments, but still in context, all the "I sang it" versions are still technically part of the Vocaloid songs. If you can't find a song you like while sung by a vocaloid, you could always try the human sung versions too. You can usually find these in youtube by adding "utatte mita" to your song search. 歌ってみた will probably land you more since most of them are direct title ports from the original. Occasionally you'll also find a "band edition" or a "chorus", but that's generally for the more popular songs.

The instrumentals themselves are well-constructed, it's just the vocals that get me. I can definitely listen to instrumentals of original works (the covers? I'll probably just listen to the original), but the vocal style just is not for me.

 

[Crystal-Heart]

I know almost everyone here loves Miku, Luka, Rin/Len, Kaito, & Meiko, but what about the English Vocaloids, such as Sonika, Prima, & Big Al. Heck, Sonika even has a twitter page, found here: https://twitter.com/SonikaVocaloid

Oh, and if you want to find out more about your fav. Vocaloids or any you've never heard of, you can visit this wiki: https://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/Vocaloid_Wiki
It even has info on some of the more popular fan Vocaloids, such as Zatsune Miku, Yowane Haku, and others.

 

[digi-kun]

I know almost everyone here loves Miku, Luka, Rin/Len, Kaito, & Meiko, but what about the English Vocaloids, such as Sonika, Prima, & Big Al. Heck, Sonika even has a twitter page, found here: https://twitter.com/SonikaVocaloid

Oh, and if you want to find out more about your fav. Vocaloids or any you've never heard of, you can visit this wiki: https://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/Vocaloid_Wiki
It even has info on some of the more popular fan Vocaloids, such as Zatsune Miku, Yowane Haku, and others.

Maybe it's because the title says Hatsune Miku and it's in the Japanese Entertainment section :p Also, Miki's pretty popular here too i think XD