4th Gen Hey! Where did the light go?

[Ayano Katagiri]

If you did not know already, Flash (HM 5 in 1-3 gen games) has now been "demoted" in D/P from it's HM status.
A new HM, HM 5 (incidentally) has been introduced as "De Fog". Fog is the new factor in caves that you can get rid of instead of the darkness with Flash.
HM 5 "De fog" is a Flying type move, which lowers the foe's evasiveness.

What's the difference??
The same sort of "opaque-ness" is still half there, but there is some visiblity with the fog. However, accuracy is now lowered in battle with the fog status.

But, Flash is still around, in a new form as TM 70.

Flash is actually still needed in the game but only in one cave. (Underneath the Bicycle Road/Bridge.

Do you think the game makers should have got rid of Flash for good?

 

[spike6958]

flash was stuiped i hated having to waist a move and i wasn't even a real attack unlike the other hms

 

[Crimson Arcanine]

Most HM moves ever made sucked in terms of battle. Flash was no exception. In fact, it was possible (and not too difficult) to complete the game without acciquiring Flash, so it wasn't like it was exeremely important anyway.

But I will probably miss the days where Flash was a HM.

 

[linkinpark187]

finally, its gone...but did they really have to replace it with something thats practically the same...?

 

[Ayano Katagiri]

Most HM moves ever made sucked in terms of battle. Flash was no exception. In fact, it was possible (and not too difficult) to complete the game without acciquiring Flash, so it wasn't like it was exeremely important anyway.

Apart from Surf of course.

It's always possible, it's just that it gets more annoying remembering where things were in the dark.

finally, its gone...but did they really have to replace it with something thats practically the same...?

Well it isnt completely gone, like I said above, it's still needed for one cave.

 

[LawLessChaoz]

They can't get rid of it becuase it is already a move and old pokemn with the move won't be able to be traded.

 

[Jorah]

Fly is OK in game (I know its not in competitive battles) But yeah, the only good HM is Surf. Its good Flash isn't a HM anymore, now it means that you don't have to keep it there and be unable to delete it for ages.

 

[Taemin]

I have to admit, adding Fog in certain areas makes the game slightly more amusing. So it all makes sense to me.. but really I figured that they should have just made another HM, instead of demoting an old one.. >>;

 

[charizard_maa]

The light went to a TM haha

Still yeah. Flash wasn't really that useful but it seems more useful in battle compared to De-Fog. I mean evasioness is basically luck while Flash was to lower the accurcity of attacks like some attacks. Not much use but to me Flash seem more useful.

Kind of sad that the have remove one of the original HMs from its status with a equal bad one. I was praying hard they will demote Rock Smash from the HM list but I guess I was hoping too much.

I perfer to have fog then to have no light.

 

[Sprite]

I'm glad that it has been demoted to a TM - not like I'd ever use it. -_-

 

[Ichida]

The only use for Flash in D/P is to navigate Wayward Cave easier.

 

[Ayano Katagiri]

They can't get rid of it becuase it is already a move and old pokemn with the move won't be able to be traded.

As trading to D/P is one way, they can get rid of it if they wanted to, just by making Pokemon in Pal Park lose the move and have an empty space instead.

 

[Pokemon Breeder Zoria]

Flash is now a TM, people... TM70 I beleive?

 

[Ayano Katagiri]

Flash is now a TM, people... TM70 I beleive?

Yes umm.... if you read my first post.

But, Flash is still around, in a new form as TM 70.

The only good thing about Flash now is that it's accuracy has been increased.

 

[Farley]

Flash being demoted was actually a bad thing. For one thing, it was better in battle than its replacement, defog. It has 5 more pp, and it cuts accuracy instead of evasion. Cutting evasion is usually unnecessary, because most attacks will always hit unless unusual circumstances occur, such as excessive double team, sand attack, etc. However, Flash will make your opponent almost unable to hit you, unless they have a 100% hit attack, like swift. Outside of battle, dark places allow you to see better than foggy places when you do not use the illumination move. If there were no replacement, then I'd be happy about flash's demotion too, but its replacement is even worse.