I feel an Icy breeze...; RMT

[ShadowAzelf]

Metagross @Occa Berry
Adamant Nature
EVs:240attk/200hp/36spdef/36spd

Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Icy Wind
Thunder Punch
My starter. Its EVs should allow it to outspeed other starters and cut their speed, thus resulting in either a switch, or, a chance for Meta to take out a good poke.

Ambipom @Life Orb
Jolly Nature
EVs:252attk/252spd/4hp

Return
Ice Punch
Thunder
Shadow Claw
My Gengar counter. Thunder 2KOs Skarm.

Espeon @Leftovers
Timid Nature
EVs:240spattk/252spd/16hp

Psychic
Calm Mind
HP Fighting [70]
Grass Knot
My CM Sweeper. Espeon has the ability to take a hit, so, CMing should be easy.

Staraptor @Choice Scarf
Adamant Nature
EVs:252attk/112spd/140hp

Return
Pursuit
Brave Bird
Close Combat
My ScarfCross counter and second physical sweeper.

Cresselia @Leftovers
Bold Nature
EVs:240hp/160def/100spdef/8spattk

Charge Beam
Lunar Dance
Moonlight
Ice Beam/HP Ground
My Dos counter. Lunar Dance for when Cress is about to go down.

Dusknoir @Leftovers
Careful Nature
EVs:252hp/160def/92spdef/4attk
Focus Punch/Earthquake
Pain Split
Fire Punch
Will-o-Wisp
My BandCross counter. Focus Punch for when my opponent switches out, fearing that Noir will use W-o-W. Earthquake for fire switch ins, Fire Punch for Hera.

There, RMT, feel it? That -19 degree Icy Wind?

 

[Azonic]

Hidden Power [ICE] outclasses Icy Wind on Metagross. Agility maybe?

 

[Anti]

Hidden Power [ICE] outclasses Icy Wind on Metagross. Agility maybe?

And Ice Punch outclasses HP Ice :P

But seriously, I agree, slowing down leads accomplishes what? Really, they switch...and that's that. Forcing switches is nice, but some pokemon don't even mind the speed drop and can just say "lol." Like Hippowdon or swampert leads.

 

[Iceman3k]

Metagross @Shuca Berry
Adamant Nature
EVs:216 Atk / 88 HP / 68 Def / 136 Spd

Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Agility
Thunder Punch
My starter. Its EVs should allow it to outspeed other starters and cut their speed, thus resulting in either a switch, or, a chance for Meta to take out a good poke.
Icy Wind is the LAST thing Metagross should be doing. Next, don't lead with this unless you have something in your team that WILL be able to successfully do a Clean-Up Sweep.

Ambipom @Choice Band
Jolly Nature
EVs:252attk/252spd/4hp

Fire Punch
Ice Punch
Thunder Punch
Shadow Claw
My physical sweeper.
...Swap this for Medicham. PLEASE.
Or even better, Swap it for a Clean-Up Sweeper.


Espeon @Leftovers
Timid Nature
EVs: 132 HP / 252 Spd / 124 SAtk

Psychic
Calm Mind
HP Fighting [70]
Grass Knot
My CM Sweeper. Espeon has the ability to take a hit, so, CMing should be easy.
Needs more HP.

Spirtomb @Leftovers
Calm Nature
EVs:252hp/160spdef/92def/4spattk

Calm Mind
Shadow Ball
WILL-O-WISP
Pain Split
My dual wall and Nape counter.
Unless you spell out WILL-O-WISP, then I can just assume that WOW means a lot of things not named WILL-O-WISP.
Also, it'd help if you explained just how exactly this thing counters Infernape lol

Slowbro @Leftovers
Bold Nature
EVs:252def/216hp/40 SAtk
Own Tempo

Psychic
HP Electric [70]
Slack Off
Ice Beam
My Machamp/Dos counter.
Eh, sure.


Froslass @Expert Belt / Leftovers
Timid Nature
EVs:168 HP / 252 Spd / 88 SAtk

Shadow Ball / Spikes
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Light Screen / Spikes
My SKARMBLISS/Staller counter.
Wake-Up Slap, okay that's an absolute no
Since I can't think of anything better but Choice Specs, then at least run Light Screen or Spikes on it :x

There, RMT, feel it? That -19 degree Icy Wind?

Team lacks a Special Wall, and also, Heracross will be a prick to it.

 

[ShadowAzelf]

Icy Wind has proven its use on Meta in 2 battles, in those 2 battles, Meta didn't lead ,so, taking that into account, I've decided to make Spirtomb my lead.

@Iceman: *Ahem*

Metagross- Although Agiligross SEEMS good, I just don't want to use it. Metagross has a few weaknesses that'll on occaiaon require it to switch out, i.e Garchomp. Picture this-

Metagross vs Blissey:

Blissey switches out to ScarfChomp
Meta uses Agility
ScarfChomp used Fire Blast
Metagross used Meteor Mash
ScarfChomp survives
Meta switches out...

C'mon, Agility isn't my strongpoint this gen thanks to Meta's weakness gain.

Espeon- Yes, I'll add more HP.

Ambipom- Read the explanation, it switches into Gengar's Shadow Ball and kills it... Medicham can't quite do that.

Froslass- Omg, it's a SkarmBliss counter... Wake-Up Slap does a good amount of damage. I honestly don't see a problem with it. If Blissey carries Flamethrower, I just switch to Slowbro... it's not hard...

Spirtomb can switch in on Nape, Pain Split its HP back ,CM and kill it. If you can use logic and know that no other attack has the initials, WOW besides Will-o-Wisp, then, that stays as it is.

Slowbro's already EV'd at Lv100, I don't see the EVs changing anytime soon.

 

[Waker of Chaos]

Icy Wind has proven its use on Meta in 2 battles, in those 2 battles, Meta didn't lead ,so, taking that into account, I've decided to make Spirtomb my lead.

@Iceman: *Ahem*

Metagross- Although Agiligross SEEMS good, I just don't want to use it. Metagross has a few weaknesses that'll on occaiaon require it to switch out, i.e Garchomp. Picture this-

Metagross vs Blissey:

Blissey switches out to ScarfChomp
Meta uses Agility
ScarfChomp used Fire Blast
Metagross used Meteor Mash
ScarfChomp survives
Meta switches out...

C'mon, Agility isn't my strongpoint this gen thanks to Meta's weakness gain.

Espeon- Yes, I'll add more HP.

Ambipom- Read the explanation, it switches into Gengar's Shadow Ball and kills it... Medicham can't quite do that.

Froslass- Omg, it's a SkarmBliss counter... Wake-Up Slap does a good amount of damage. I honestly don't see a problem with it. If Blissey carries Flamethrower, I just switch to Slowbro... it's not hard...

Spirtomb can switch in on Nape, Pain Split its HP back ,CM and kill it. If you can use logic and know that no other attack has the initials, WOW besides Will-o-Wisp, then, that stays as it is.

Slowbro's already EV'd at Lv100, I don't see the EVs changing anytime soon.

The problem is that Froslass's stats are terrible. Wake-Up Slap only does any real damage on Deoxys in Attack Form, and I'm sure you know why. If you want a Skarmory/Blissey counter, use a Fire-type mixed sweeper or something, like Infernape.

 

[Magmortified]

Wake Up Slap to Blissey won't really do all that much since Froslass has a Phione base Attack stat, no STAB, and a base power that absolutely sucks.

I usually use Scarfed Metagross with Ice Punch if I need to use and Ice move. Though MixGross also likes Icy Wind.

 

[Iceman3k]

Icy Wind has proven its use on Meta in 2 battles, in those 2 battles, Meta didn't lead ,so, taking that into account, I've decided to make Spirtomb my lead.

@Iceman: *Ahem*

Metagross- Although Agiligross SEEMS good, I just don't want to use it. Metagross has a few weaknesses that'll on occaiaon require it to switch out, i.e Garchomp. Picture this-

Metagross vs Blissey:

Blissey switches out to ScarfChomp
Meta uses Agility
ScarfChomp used Fire Blast
Metagross used Meteor Mash
ScarfChomp survives
Meta switches out...
LOL, you don't keep Metagross in against a GARCHOMP.

C'mon, Agility isn't my strongpoint this gen thanks to Meta's weakness gain.

Espeon- Yes, I'll add more HP.

Ambipom- Read the explanation, it switches into Gengar's Shadow Ball and kills it... Medicham can't quite do that.
Well, at least give a STAB Attack, like Return or something. You don't need ALL 3 Elemental Punches.

Froslass- Omg, it's a SkarmBliss counter... Wake-Up Slap does a good amount of damage. I honestly don't see a problem with it. If Blissey carries Flamethrower, I just switch to Slowbro... it's not hard...
80 Base Attack, running off of a move that's only 60 Base Power? Hmm, let's see here...

"Defender HP: 704
Damage: 176 - 207
Damage: 25.00% - 29.40%"

This is what Wake-Up Slap does to Blissey with 212 HP and 216 EVs, Bold Nature (and that's the the way I usually run it). You'd do even less damage to the people that run with 252 / 252 HP Def Blissey. It's not hurting Blissey at all.

And by the way...

"Defender HP: 323
Move Damage: 166 - 195
Damage: 51.39% - 60.37%"
Vs. Skarmory with 60 SAtk EVs, as specified. A One-Hit KO? Sorry my dear, but I don't see it happening.

Spirtomb can switch in on Nape, Pain Split its HP back ,CM and kill it. If you can use logic and know that no other attack has the initials, WOW besides Will-o-Wisp, then, that stays as it is.
Yeah, Spiritomb really is going to live against a Swords Dance Boosted Blaze Kick or a Nasty Plot boosted Flamethrower / Fire Blast.

Slowbro's already EV'd at Lv100, I don't see the EVs changing anytime soon.

Why would you waste time leveling a Pokemon up to 100, when the levels on Wi-Fi are set automatically?

Okay, now that I've said what I needed to say, cheesecake awaits me.

 

[ABYAY]

I run an unusual Froslass. I've noticed that it can hit pretty good, but everyone thinks bleh of it.

Froslass@Choice Band
Jolly Nature
252 atk/252 spd/6HP

Crunch
Ice Fang
Wake-Up Slap
Return

With choice band, it's packing a good 360 atk, which is poor for a Choice Bander, but 350 speed makes it complete counter to dragons except for Scarf'd ones. It also hits Gengar pretty badly, and does slightly less than half total health on a max HP/max Def Blissey. The reason I kept it was because of the 31 speed IVs.

Froslass can't be a Skarmbliss counter. Just be a Skarm counter, and using a pokemon with Endeavor = great counter to Blissey. Although swampert is really the only great pokemon that can get Endeavor and be immune to T-Wave. Sure you could go Staraptor as a physical sweeper and Endeavor as a last resort to physical sponges.

 

[ShadowAzelf]

Team lacks a Special Wall, and also, Heracross will be a prick to it.

Why would you waste time leveling a Pokemon up to 100, when the levels on Wi-Fi are set automatically?

Okay, now that I've said what I needed to say, cheesecake awaits me.

I got it in a trade o_O...

Anyway, I'm tossing Froslass for... okay, I need a suggestion to replace it with... BESIDES Infernape...

My point exactly on Agiligross, it gets an Agility and has to switch out... once something it doesn't want to go up against switches it.

Return > Fire Punch should work on Ambipom...

Regarding the bolded quote above:

Hera? Really? I'm sooooo scared of it... Slowbro can switch in on the CCs and can take a Megahorn from it, Slack it Off and continue.

 

[luke]

It CANNOT take a Megahorn from it. Seriously, before you make baseless comments like that, check your facts.

I don't do damage calculators but if my memory serves me correctly, it take around 70%-80% damage, which it can't Slack Off and survive.

So drop the cocky attitude and think clearly. Arrogance won't get you anywhere. >:[

 

[Waker of Chaos]

Why would you waste time leveling a Pokemon up to 100, when the levels on Wi-Fi are set automatically?

Pokémon Battle Revolution, in-game purposes, and Open Level stuff. It's not a waste of time.

Drop ThunderPunch for Return on Ambipom, as Fire Punch and Ice Punch provide superior type coverage. ThunderPunch also has the inferior status ailment attached to it. I'd rather burn or freeze an enemy than paralyze it.

 

[luke]

Actually waker, Ice+Electric provide some of the best coverage in the game. Boltbeam anyone?

 

[flamehaze94]

Hera? Really? I'm sooooo scared of it... Slowbro can switch in on the CCs and can take a Megahorn from it, Slack it Off and continue.

Did I just hear that right? Slowbro can survive a CB Adamant STAB super effective Megahorn and Slack Off? OLOL.

Nothing in your team can survive a Megahorn, so the opponent won't CC unless he's brain damaged.

Spirtomb can switch in on Nape, Pain Split its HP back ,CM and kill it. If you can use logic and know that no other attack has the initials, WOW besides Will-o-Wisp, then, that stays as it is.

Again, please consider scenarios before you blindly post.

Ape can just Scheme while you switch and 2HKO you with Flamethrower whether or not you Pain Split.

mmhmm, great "counter"...



Ambipom wants Thunder btw.

 

[Waker of Chaos]

Actually waker, Ice+Electric provide some of the best coverage in the game. Boltbeam anyone?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

 

[ShadowAzelf]

It CANNOT take a Megahorn from it. Seriously, before you make baseless comments like that, check your facts.

I don't do damage calculators but if my memory serves me correctly, it take around 70%-80% damage, which it can't Slack Off and survive.

So drop the cocky attitude and think clearly. Arrogance won't get you anywhere. >:[

Actually, it's 66%-78% on Slowbro. After switching in on a CC and Slacking Off the damage while Hera switches, Slowbro can survive a Megahorn and just use Psychic O_o...

If you mean CB Hera, then, I need something to counter it... any suggestions?

 

[Iceman3k]

I got it in a trade o_O...

Anyway, I'm tossing Froslass for... okay, I need a suggestion to replace it with... BESIDES Infernape...
Ever thought about Electivire? Or on a Low Tier OU Perspective, how about Magmortar?

My point exactly on Agiligross, it gets an Agility and has to switch out... once something it doesn't want to go up against switches it.
Then use CB or CScarf Metagross. Simple Hit and Run.

Return > Fire Punch should work on Ambipom...

Regarding the bolded quote above:

Hera? Really? I'm sooooo scared of it... Slowbro can switch in on the CCs and can take a Megahorn from it, Slack it Off and continue.

orly

"Defender HP: 391
Damage: 93 - 109
Damage: 23.79% - 27.88%"
Life Orbed Heracross's Close Combat Vs. Your Slowbro (Yeah, I went there with the Life Orb Thing)

Then the following turn

"Defender HP: 391
Damage: 372 - 438
Damage: 95.14% - 112.02%"
Life Orbed Heracross's Megahorn Vs. Same Slowbro. Makes Slowbro say "HOLY ****". Both Adamant Nature because Jolly is so obsolete now.

I could've been a prick, assumed Choice Band, and you know what CBed Heracrosses do? THEY MEGAHORN FIRST. And we both know Choice Band does more than Life Orb.

Pokémon Battle Revolution, in-game purposes, and Open Level stuff. It's not a waste of time.

Open Level? The highest I'd raise my stuff to is 60, because that's when they'd be fully evolved and all of their good moves are learned. And what In-Game Purposes are you referring to? It's still a waste of time.

 

[luke]

Speaking of your Slowbro, you expect it to OHKO with little EV investment in Special Attack and no Calm Mind and Heracross's respectable Special Defense.

 

[ShadowAzelf]

Okay, I get it, CBHera causes problems <_<...

TEAM EDIT: Switching Spiritomb out for Dusknoir.

TEAM EDIT #2: Switching Froslass out for something... I'm gonna go do some researching... okay... I'm stumped... I was thinking ChainChomp > Froslass... if not... I'm still open to suggestions...

 

[Waker of Chaos]

Open Level? The highest I'd raise my stuff to is 60, because that's when they'd be fully evolved and all of their good moves are learned. And what In-Game Purposes are you referring to? It's still a waste of time.

In an Open Level battle, Lv. 100 > Lv. 60.

In-game purposes would include, but are not limited to, the Battle Tower, Pokémon League, and capturing Giratina and Arceus (when the event for the Azure Flute is finally held).

But we're getting off the topic. ShadowAzelf, you can use Gliscor for a Heracross counter.