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i need a spiker special wall and spinner

lossofreason665

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    im not a big fan of OU pokemon. so dont tell me skarmory or blissey cuz i couldve figured them out on my own. i was thinking hitmontop or kaputops for my spinner but still not sure

    primeape@choice band
    anger point
    jolly/252attack/252speed/6hp
    -close combat
    -stone edge
    -u-turn
    -overheat

    zangoose@focus sash
    immunity
    jolly/252attack/252speed/6hp
    -swords dance
    -close combat
    -night slash
    -quick attack

    typhlosion@heat rock
    blaze
    modest/252spattack/252speed/6hp
    -sunny day
    -lava plume
    -focus blast
    -solar beam

    tangrowth@leftovers
    leaf guard
    impish/252defense/252hp/6attack
    -sleep powder
    -leach seed
    -power whip
    -knock off

    hypno@leftovers
    insomnia
    calm/252spdefense/252hp/6defense
    -calm mind
    -thunder wave
    -grass knot
    -psychic

    blastoise@leftovers
    torrent
    bold/252hp/129defense/229spdefense
    -rapid spin
    -ice beam
    -surf
    -rest
     
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    Well, hitmontop isn't much of a spinner, since gengar comes in and absorbs it like Spongebob...close combat for primeape...it can't take a hit anyways. Well, I can't think of anything that can do two of the 3 things mentioned above that is UU...you're gonna have to use forretress:

    Forry@Lefties
    relaxed
    252 HP, 172 def, 86 Att (i think that's it, I'm probably wrong)
    ~Rapid spin
    ~Spikes
    ~gyro ball
    ~explosion

    as for a special wall...try hypno, my favorite UU wall.
     
    ya i was looking at hypno as an idea.

    hypno@leftovers
    bold/252spdefense/252hp/6spattack
    -future sight/light screen
    -toxic/sludge bomb
    -calm mind
    -grass knot/ psychic
     
    lossofreason665 said:
    ya i was looking at hypno as an idea.

    hypno@leftovers
    bold/252spdefense/252hp/6spattack
    -future sight/light screen
    -toxic/sludge bomb
    -calm mind
    -grass knot/ psychic
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    Well, Hypno has 67 base speed. That is 134 when multiplied by two, higher than crobat or aero. How do we achieve this? Thunder wave support!!!!!!!!!

    Hypno@Lefties
    Calm
    252 HP, 252 SpD, 6 Def
    ~Calm Mind
    ~Thunder Wave
    ~Psychic
    ~Grass Knot

    I've never used Hypno in 4th gen, though I hate to admit it, so this set probaby needs edited out. Thunder Wave provides tremendous support, and cripples the foe. Psychic is for STAB, Grass Knot handles Swampert and similar bulky waters.

    If you want Hypno to have any chance at surviving in OU, you have to max that sexy special defense stat. You have to watch out for PHazers/hazers if you are gonna abuse CM, because it'll screw you up. I use my hypno with a mixed wall to support it, which gives it a chance at survival. Skill Swap is great for annoying the noodles out of pokemon like snorlax who rely on rest.

    Hypno can also make amazing use of hyonosis, and with thunder wave, works a lot like double powder. Hypno has many options...I believe it can learn Wish, which is a tremendous move.

    If you get enough CMs in, a VERY big if, you have a good shot at destroying the TTar beast, since Hypno is faster. After 1 DD, if it is DDtar, RUN! Maybe that's why hypno is a SPECIAL wall lol.

    Hypno is most effective if you can set up a few CMs, usually involving forcing the foe to switch while you set up. THEN it can compete with the OUs. Gengar is fatel to it, shaow ball is bad. However, Hypno CAN absorb hypnosis, which is a nice upside. The ability sure is nice!

    Also, it is UU for a reason, don't expect it to last against specsmence...it can only wall so many OU special attackers, and almost no OU specs users. Maybe that's why I use it in 3rd gen:)

    Hypno can do a lot of things, but you have to be very careful using it. It has potential to do very well in OU, but if you are careless, Hypno won't last long...I mean, it'll be history.
     
    ok cool. and should i even consider hitmonchan/top to be my spinner or is that a stupid idea?
     
    lossofreason665 said:
    ok cool. and should i even consider hitmonchan/top to be my spinner or is that a stupid idea?
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    Hitmonchan can't learn rapid spin last I checked...and no, you shouldn't use 'em. If you want a UU special wall, Hypno is the cream of the crop.

    As for spinners, there are more, many UU, if you would be okay with losing spikes. Yeah, I'm talking about blastoise.
     
    ya i like the idea of blasoise. and u can get a hitmonchan with rapid spin by breeding hitmontop and evolving the tyrogue.

    but blastoise is deffinately better
     
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    You sure? Regardless...

    Blastoise@Lefties
    bold
    252 HP, 129 Def, 129 SpD
    ~Rapid Spin
    ~Rest
    ~Surf
    ~Counter/Mirror Coat/Ice Beam

    Blastoise is one hardcore Tank-o-Turtle. It does better in OU than hypno, which is a good thing. If you bulk p the SpD a little more and use mirror coat in the last slot, you have a good chance at really destropying some OU SP. sweepers. Be warned! Anything with the likes of nasty plot or CM will eliminate you. Pory Z and Zam also hurt you bad with Tbolt and energy...wicvh is why it is often wise to inveset more EVs into defense. IT is buff enough to take most of the nasty physical hits in OU, but not for long...which is why yawn is another good move for it.

    Remember how I said earlier that blastoise gets pwned by any sweeper that powers up? Well, it can learn haze. Problem solved.

    Just my take on blastoise. It isn't all too great, but it can be pwnful. blastoise FTW!
     
    alright thanks. and how do u think my primeape looks? im not sure if hhes gunna be too good or not
     
    Looks fine...but like I said earlier, close combat over CC. It can't afford to miss. Maybe run adamant...I'm unaware of its base speed, so I dunno.
     
    its speed is 95 filler filler

    cross chop just looked good cuz i have close combat on zangoose. i could also use it with brick break
     
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    lossofreason665 said:
    its speed is 95 filler filler

    cross chop just looked good cuz i have close combat on zangoose. i could also use it with brick break
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    It craves close combat...and adamant. There's nothing I know of it outspeeds with jolly it doesn't outspeed with adamant. Anything good I mean...
     
    ya im using him mostly because his ability sounded really helpful. 4x attack if he takes a critical hit.
     
    Whose ability? Hypno's ability is the only one I'm all too familiar with, at least of those I know aren't useless. 2300 posts lol
     
    primeapes. his attack is x4 if its hit by a critical hit.
     
    Oh yes. The elemental punches are nice on any physical sweeper.
     
    i forgot he could even learn earthquake. ill go with that.
     
    Wait! Earthquake gives lackluster coverage to fighting types. how many heracrosses do you see with EQ? Exactly...ice punch.
     
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