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I need some suggestions for my Charizard.

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Charizard is a GIRL. And they hve what are called Egg groups. mullet. Certain pokemon belong to certain egg groups, and if the parents don't fit in the same egg group, they can't have eggs. Some Pokemon belong to two different egg groups, but I doubt Charizard shares an egg group with any of those guys. :\ If she does then it's a good thing, but somehow I doubt it.
 
T-tar and zard are both of the same egg group... T-tar has always been one of the best breeding partner for Charizard, due to getting dragon dance and rock slide at the same time, with T-tar's ability to learn plenty of stuff to breed on as additionals.
 
Mullet said:
I know there are egg groups. If SHE can learn it on NB she can learn it on the game! :D
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Mullet, let me clue you in on something.

NB distorts things, Mullet. In NB you just ask for a move and bam, It's there. But it's not so easy in real life. In real life, it doesn't matter if she can learn it if she's trying to learn it from someone she's not compatible with. A pokemon that has teh move I want her child to know doesn't mean squat if they aren't in the same egg group.
 
I just checked NB and T-tar learns Earthquake by level, so Zard can get that by egg too, right!

They are in the same egg group, and in NB you can only get moves that they can learn, like you can't get a Zard with Surf, it also tells you how they learn it! :D
 
NB does check for compatibility... a pop up message of "illegal moveset" appears if they are incompatible. =) Research before arguement, please.

Charmander can't learn earthquake, so Earthquake cant' get passed on even though Tyranitar has it.
 
You guys don't get it. That isn't my point. any move tehy can learn, they learn it immediately. But in the real game, some moves they can learn are in a sense moves they can't learn. They would have to be of teh same egg group to pass the moves like Rock slide along, and if they aren't then it doesn't happen. In NB, you just ask for rock slide and it's there, but it's much more complicated than that in teh real game.

It doesn't take any real research to know how NB works. You just simply misunderstood what I was saying.
And I wasn't talking about Tyranitar. I was talking about those guys Frosty suggested earlier in order to get Rockslide on a charmander.
 
Yeah, I see what Pogiforce is trying to say. For example, one person on NB had a moveset that looked like this for Scyther:

Endure
Reversal
Silver Wind
Swords Dance

All of these are moves that Scyther can learn by breeding. However, it is not possible to gain all of the moves at once. For Endure and Reversal, both moves can come straight from Heracross. But, since Heracross cannot learn Silver Wind, he cannot pass all 3 moves. There are no other Bugs that can learn all 3 to pass onto Scyther either.

What Pogiforce is trying to get at is that some movesets are not possible when you look at it from a real-world perspective. And I agree, NB and real battling has a lot of subtle but significant differences, like this one.
 
Pogiforce-14 said:
You guys don't get it.
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Say that to yourself.

Tsk tsk... no one is reading I guess. Like I said before, you can choose, but if you run into a non compatible moveset combination, a pop up will happen. Like what Toothy has said already... that Scyther moveset will result in this:

So, what are YOU TWO talking about?
 
I've never seen that come up before. Interesting...

Ok, I just did what Frosty showed in the screen shot, then the message popped up about the illegal moveset. I think we just destroyed most of Pogiforce's point. And I was actually agreeing with him as well. Oh well...
 
Just like to note that Dragon dance on Zard, which has a lack of physical strength, is mentally challenged, because sure you're speeding up too, but you're getting owned badly by getting hit each time that by the time you're forced to attack, you probably wouldn't even KO the enemy with one shot (See, 6 DD = 3 SD = 1 BD), so you're way better with Swords or Bdrum. Personally, I like Bdrum, Physical move and then 2 of another Physical, a fire attack, or Sub (I like Sub/Drum/HPFly/Quake... @ Salac)

Drumzard is very fun btw =)

Also whatever your problem is with breeding, people who want a competitive team but yet don't want to breed usually end up somewhere close but not quite competitive.
 
On the far end of the scale, you have people like me, who has the patience to breed and the competitiveness as well. I just managed to pick up the Eevee from Celadon, and it was female! (first time too, so no resetting to get one). So, there's quite a bit of breeding to get the rest (I'm considering a Flareon moveset, any tips? I know they're physical sweepers, but that's all I know about Flareon)
 
frostweaver said:
Say that to yourself.

Tsk tsk... no one is reading I guess. Like I said before, you can choose, but if you run into a non compatible moveset combination, a pop up will happen. Like what Toothy has said already... that Scyther moveset will result in this:

So, what are YOU TWO talking about?
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Well you weren't exactly clarifying you know. How was I supposed to know you were saying that it won't let you have a move if it isn't possible for it to have in combination with something else? If you had just said that I would have understood you. :\

Mana Lugia brings up a valid point. Now I'm lost as to whether I teach it SD or DD. :\
 
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Pogiforce-14 said:
Well you weren't exactly clarifying you know. How was I supposed to know you were saying that it won't let you have a move if it isn't possible for it to have in combination with something else? If you had just said that I would have understood you. :\

Mana Lugia brings up a valid point. Now I'm lost as to whether I teach it SD or DD. :\
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Dragon Dance works nicely on Tyranitar and Gyarados, since their Attack stats are at about 380 or greater with an Adamant nature.

Charizard's max Attack stat is only 293. It needs Swords Dance or Belly Drum.

I like Mana Lugia's set for Charizard. I've used similar sets in the past, and they can work pretty well. If the opponent can't take half of your HP in one move, then its game over for the opponent. It's really satisfying to take out the opponents only Quick Attacker with a Belly-Drummed-up Charizard with a Substitute out. Watch out for Sandstream though.
 
the thing about dragon dance is:

Charizard CAN actually knock out the speed 130s with it. All you need is that one speed boost, and a relatively minor attack boost, and rock slide/earthquake will automatically handles the rest. All of them are very common opponents, which is worth worrying about. There are plenty of OU fast sweepers out there who are faster than Charizard, but at the same time, a lot of them got no defense either. Just bypass them in speed, and they're finished.
 
frostweaver said:
the thing about dragon dance is:

Charizard CAN actually knock out the speed 130s with it. All you need is that one speed boost, and a relatively minor attack boost, and rock slide/earthquake will automatically handles the rest. All of them are very common opponents, which is worth worrying about. There are plenty of OU fast sweepers out there who are faster than Charizard, but at the same time, a lot of them got no defense either. Just bypass them in speed, and they're finished.
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That's true, but there's also many OU monsters that have moderate defences. A Salac Berry can also take care of the Speed boost, unless you're KOed before being able to force Sub it.

It's all situational. If you're team has another monster that can take care of fast sweepers, then use a SD Charizard. Otherwise, use DD if you want, but I find the drumming Charizard better.
 
The only I can think of currently is the benefit of a Sub and Drumming Charizard when facing an obvious annoyer/disabler. Sub, Belly Drum, pawn.
 
Pogiforce-14 said:
But I'm referring to Swords Dance. :\ I don't want belly drum since it halves your HP, and I can't afford to replace two moves on Chelsea since she needs all of the other three. :\
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Halving your HP isn't that bad if you can activate a Salac Berry when the opponent can't KO half your HP is one hit.

If you used DD, you'll be able to KO frail, speedy sweepers, as frostweaver said. If you use SD, you'll be able to KO things with moderate defences.



For example, if you use DD, then Earthquake a Tyranitar, you'll do about 80% damage, but then likely be KOed by Rock Slide. If you use SD, then Earthquake a Tyranitar, you'll likely KO it. But if you face something like Jolteon or Alakazam, it'll likely OHKO you. DD will allow you to OHKO Alakazam and Jolteon, though.

I based my calculations on a Tyranitar with maxed Speed and Attack -- no EVs in Defence. The same goes for Charizard (Adamant, maxed Attack and Speed EVs).

It's mostly a trade off, most teams lead with their quick sweeper, so if you can get rid of it, then its smooth sailing for Charizard with SD. Just don't put Charizard out first. If you use either move (SD or DD) and the opponent is relatively well-versed in the game, they'll just let you get one KO (or switch as the case may be), and then they'll get Charizard with whatever counter they need: a quick sweeper, or a tank.

It's a matter of preference. I suggest you try both out on NetBattle to see which one you like best. Personally, I like SD or BD.
 
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