Lt. Surge, war vet with anger management issues. Do you really think most trainers had a good learning experience with him?
And Sabrina? Did you even watch the episode? She suffered from psychosis due to the development of her psychic powers. That wasn't her that was beating trainers and trapping them in her dollhouse. That was her mind on a rampage.
I'm pretty sure that he didn't have "Anger management issues" in the Anime. Heck, he acted more like Super Macho Man in "Punchout" than a demented, angry War Veteran, if anything (Showboaty, arrogant, and obnoxious, if anything).
And yes, I saw the episode, but some of the characters implied that Sabrina herself was a threat as well, not just her psychic powers.
Now could you think of a normal gym leader who is just beating trainers mercissly?
Brock also showed little mercy when he first showed up. He was squeezing Pikachu to death before they even reached the first minute of the battle.
Do I really have to explain why Giovanni is not an example of what a Pokemon gym leader should aspire to?
Yes, Yes, I know, he's the leader of Team Rocket, a criminal organization, but does that really make any difference?
Besides, Giovanni's DEFINITELY the type who would actually "Hold Back" in terms of his power (It was implied in the episode that he deliberately held back in terms of his abilities with Golem and Kingler, seeing how he smirked/smiled and chuckled upon returning Kingler to it's Pokeball.), and we definitely know the result of that (and the first movie's prologue implies that this wasn't the first time this had happened.)
What part of "It isn't about winning and losing" is confusing?
If it truly wasn't about winning or losing, they shouldn't even HAVE battling in the first place. And if it was, it should have been ALL OUT so they would truly test the trainer's capabilities. I mean, my Teachers don't limit their own potential just so we can get an "A" in their class, and my coaches don't limit their potential just so we can train, so why should GL's limit their potential.
What does TR have anything to do with this?
Because I saw their losses as being far too similar to what JJM's losses were like, hence why I think Misty
Yeah, the producers of the anime assigning roles and making comedic relief out of them. HOW DARE THEY...do what they want to do, on the show they make.
Comic Relief? They were portrayed as being able to take out a Pidgeotto with barely any effort, and they even made Pikachu unable to battle, so that's not even Comic Relief. If it was comic relief, then they would have blasted off the second after they appeared like they do for the most part now.
Ash puts forth every effort to make each new region a new journey so he doesn't just sweep through every gym. If he did that, it'd be boring.
He already swept through 3/4ths of the GL's in practically a heartbeat, and that's with an entirely new team save Pikachu. The only gym he didn't sweep through was Brawly, and even then, the win was cheap beyond belief.
That Gym Leaders are there to teach and help new trainers develop? What are you against? The teaching part? The part where gym leaders don't just beat up on everyone with a Pidgey?
You call that teaching? It's not even teaching, it's just acting like a punching bag. I mean, I pointed out at how my Teachers don't limit their potential just so I can pass their class, and that my coaches never limited their potential just for us to train in our sports. Heck, in DB/DBZ, Master Roshi, who in Pokemon Terms, would be a Gym Leader, NEVER limited his own Potential just so Goku can pass his training regimen. He even beat Goku in the Finals of the Tenkaichi Budokai tournament as a testament to that fact.
Again, nothing to do with this discussion.
I already stated how it had to do with the discussion, as JJM's losses were too similar to the GL's losses, and thus I don't think that Misty should be a GL.
She did. Why repeat something that she's already done? She can go off and do something else.
Ash has already done Gym Tourneys, so why repeat something he already did, especially since he already defeated the Battle Frontier and Brandon, which is rumored to be more powerful than even the champion.
No, actually, you don't. You basically bashed her, and character bashing is against the rules.
Please explain how this:
Travels with Ash -> Gym Leader -> Travels with Ash
is not a regression.
Because that way, the Gym Leader can actually get some more experience by fighting and taking down people of their level rather than regress at the gym, and besides which, would receive character development with their fans in the real world. It's a win-win situation.
It's Ash's (and Pikachu's) journey. They can't regress. IT's their journey.
No, actually, it's NOT their journey. Ever notice how the narrator says "Our Heroes" when doing the introduction monologue? That in itself implies that Ash and Pikachu aren't the only ones being focused on their journey. Heck, Bulbapedia, various other fansites, and even official sites list ALL of the characters on Pokemon who have Traveled with Ash for a significant amount of time (as in, at least a season), as being the main protagonists (and main protagonists = stars of the journey/show. So, if they are the main protagonists, and main protagonists = Stars of the Journey or show, that means that ALL of the people in Ash's group are the stars of the journey or the show.)
Even if it was their journey and their journey alone, just because it's their journey doesn't mean they can't regress. Look at the Simpsons, for example. That's their show, and yet the Titular Family is showing themselves to be regressing (EG, previous episodes had Homer being at least basically literate, yet in one episode they actually made him illiterate just for laughs.). Family Guy is a similar situation. In fact, a lot of series feature character regression in some way or another in their titular characters/star characters.
There we have it, folks. Who cares if her character would regress or suck? As long as weedle whatever gets to see Pokemon become his personal fan fic, then it's all good.
No, I don't want to see Pokemon become my personal fan fic (Misty returning to the main cast isn't even something I dream up in my fanfics, at least, not as a main plotline.). If I wanted that, I would have had a Star Fox/Star Wars-esque plotline where Giovanni = Andross among other things.
I only wanted Misty to return because I felt she was a better role model than May and Dawn.
