I want to start over, Help me on this, please.

Dusknoir@Leftovers
Careful Nature
EVs: 252 HP, 84 Def, 174 Sp Def
-Pain Split
-Will o Wisp
-Shadow Sneak
-Fire Punch/Thunderpunch

Mixed wall extrodinaire.... with Will o Wisp cutting the attack of anyone switching in to this, you require less Def EVs then normally considered on a dual wall... Pain Split is for healing, Shadow Sneak is a priority move that allows you to finish off Focus Sashers. Fire Punch for Heracross etc, or Thunderpunch if you fear Gyarados and the like
 
Hmm, wouldnt relaxed play better?? I mean this pokes purpose was to block Hera. If I burn hera, it gets guts and the attack decrease becomes for nothing. Ignoring the fact that hera's moves wont touch me, but other pokes play guts as well.
 
Nope, careful is the way to go with noir :)
 
A Pursuit from a Choice Band'd Guts'd Hera will most likely 1HKO Dusknoir with either Nature I think, and Careful runs better as it normally switches into Special Attacks, and it doesn't need much Defense because of Will-o-Wisp. You should be switching out if you Guts Hera anyway...

~T_S
 
Allright then, I'm off to edit ^_^
Anything else? It seems that the team will do well I don't see anything wrong. Do you?
Also T_S, I want that Dusknoir as a counter to Scarf Hera who uses close combat or megahorn.... so I will switch in.
 
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sorry but Pursuit doesn't even come close to OHKOing Dusknoir if you're smart and stay in. who would switch out Dusknoir? you can take the hit and Pain Split Heracross down to nothing and let's not forget Fire Punch, The Dusknoir I had was Careful and had 76 Def EVs so I can assure you that Dusknoir will beat Heracross even with a Guts Boost.

And I had no idea Nght slash was uncommon on Gallade. you'd think people would use it as their means of beating Cress and Dusknoir >.>
 
well CB guts heracross with pursuit does a lot of damage regardless. and it does OHKO it if it attempts to switch out. but yes, fire punch is there for a reason.

and gallade doesn't run night slash unless it has CB which is even more uncommon. it usually carries hypnosis to rid of its issues with dusknoir, cresselia and the bunch. it can't stand but get paralyzed nor burned, and multiple status is gallade's best counter for those that want to status it.
 
So I take that the team is fiine??
 
Outlawed said:
So I take that the team is fiine??
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Well...no.

2 Choice Scarfers is going to really come back to haunt you, and 3 choice users in general makes your team easily stalled.

Really Scarfchomp is overrated and easily predicted. SDchomp would help a lot since this is the kind of team that stall teams love.

Nasty Plot Porygon-Z would work in your favor here as well. I can see drilling special walls with a Nasty Plot boosted Tri Attack and then trapping them with Weavile to be a good idea. Pursuit will finish the job and it will open up a sweep for Porygon-Z. Dugtrio could work in the same way and would make Porygon-Z pretty much a KO every turn if you predict correctly. If you run Dugtrio over Weavile I'd make that Porygon-Z specs since its counters will turn into anything that can outspeed it once the special wall is gone.

But seriously Spikes and Stealth rock eat away at you and the Toxic status will be the real trouble since you cannot absorb any kind of status at all, which will also work against you.

Also Porygon-Z is your only good way of killing Skarmory which is not going to help you. Milotic can pretty well, but Skarmory can lay down a few layers of spikes while taking a Surf of two and cause a lot of problems for you.
 
Anti-Pop said:
As for Torterra putting special attacks on it is suicide. With Aggron and Bronzong it'll actually wall a lot of stuff so I'm inclined to tell you to change Torterra to a more tank action kind of set. Take it away sims.
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Okey dokey.

My Torterra

Torterra@Leftovers-----DESTROY NAME!!!!!!!!!
Nature:Impish
Wood Hammer
Stone Edge
Eathquake
Synthesis/Leech Seed
EV: 252 HP, 86 ATK, 176 DEF

This is one of many sets. It can also be effective with Curse, losing Synthesis or Leech Seed, and investing a bit more in ATK. Much more ATK can warrent Choice Band, but I highly advise my Tanking set. Of course, Synthesis is to recover from your own Wood Hammer, but becomes dimmed in Sandstorm, so Leech Seed might help.

I rather like Aggroon, but not only does it drg this team down, his poor typing...aww. A shame, I might use it someday.
 
hmm, major weaknesses there. Well I had an idea about fixing this and I'm gonna post the fixed version. Less Choice items, better methods of getting rid of things. Check it out.
 
Sorry, it seems I posted te Torterra set in the wrong thread :P Silly me. It's gone, unless you want it for some reason.
 
:p it happens, keep it I made a new thread already that is going to be awsome ^_^
 
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