If the heroes faces the actual Team Rocket...

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    Sure, they've faced actual Team Aqua, Magma, and Galactic grunts and elites, but never have I seen the main characters (Ash mainly, to the best of my memory) facing actual Team Rocket grunts (aside from Brock and Misty in Mewtwo returns).

    I thought it would be interesting to see Ash battle the actual Team Rocket, not the three wimps he's been battling for over 600 episodes. Does anyone else think the same?
     
    Butch and Cassidy... they're the same rank as Jessie & James, IIRC, but they're somewhat competent. I think whatever they are is a rank or two above grunt, but they are indeed actual Rocket members, and are involved with real crimes.

    Domino also rings a bell, but... she didn't exactly battle them, did she? So.. nevermind XD

    Um... there was the Lake of Rage incident, where I believe they fought Team Rocket a little before Lance showed up, then there was the Lugia thing, I'm pretty sure they fought a couple people other than Butch & Cassidy. I think they fought the scientist, but I'm not sure whether they fought any grunts or not.
     
    They should battle the rocket Executives (the ones in G/S/C) who had LOTS of Dark, Poison and Grass types...and we still havent seen Giovanni get directly involved with Ash and his friends. I can just picture Ash battling Giovanni's pokemon like Nidoking, Rhydon and Persian....In my opinion, it would be tough for Ash....depending on what he uses xD
     
    It might actually bring some respect back to Team Rocket if Domino and some other elite Team Rocket members better. Thankfully the writers learned from their previous mistakes and actually have the regional team as a threat.
     
    Warning, small rant ahead.

    The first I'll talk about is if the actual Team Rocket is weak compared to Ash, to signify his gain in power over the years. Because he managed to foil their plans. (Even if it was just dumb luck most of the time, hell, the 'incompitent' trio are actually pretty decent members, and most of their plans would work if they didn't follow Ash and Pikachu, but I'm getting off topic here.) But later on, he can actually take them down and get them captured.

    Or it could go the way that I think it might go. I think I heard somewhere that Giovanni was the most powerful trainer in the world. Don't quote me on that, but if this is true (Which it might be, because he never fought seriously in the anime.) than he'll have hell to go through to beat the members, if they were also powerful, since the trio that follow them are likely at a low rank. Viscious (villain of Pokemon 4ever) is a Rocket Administrator, and he was tough to beat, granted that was in Johto, but they too could have improved over the years.

    Okay, since it actually took Ash a year to get through Kanto, (Somewhere in the dub, before fighting the 'Incompitent' trio for the eighth badge) I assume it took a year to get through each major region. I know there's a flaw in this, but this is what I go by. Both the Orange Islands and the Battle Frontier, being fairly small would probably be somewhere between 3 and 8 months. I wouldn't ever say a year, but I go highest case for OI, and lowest for the Kanto BF.

    The Battle Zone, if they go there, would probably take around the same time as the Kanto BF, maybe a little longer, so I'll say 4 months. Now remove every season before Hoenn from the equation.

    Hoenn and Sinnoh gives them two years and the combined BZ and Kanto BF would be seven months. Now assuming that they go after Team Rocket immedately, than Giovanni and his admins have had a range of two years and seven months to three years and four months to get stronger. I know in this there can be flaws, but this is just my opinion on the matter. This theory can easily be disproved. Now, If Ash got to where he was in Johto, to where he is now in Sinnoh skill wise, think of what criminal masterminds could do, if they took time to train or learn. They'd be monsters! Now, the fifth Generation, I'm pretty sure will be coming out, so let's factor that in as well.

    Another year, plus a possible six month side story for HG/SS, and another 3-8 month side story. That would be within the range of 1 year, nine months, and 2 years, 2 months. Add that to the equation above and they have a range of 4 years, four months and 5 years, six months. But that's just estimation. There is also a chance for another season, but if this keeps up, I will be getting off topic.

    Point is, they have had a lot of time to get stronger than ever before. I don't think Ritchie could fight against TR like Ash did, because Ash is the main character and will likely beat down TR, and Misty fighting to surpress TR is laughable, because she, while she is a good trainer, would lose to Ash in a heartbeat at this point. Sure, she beat Ash in the Whirl Islands, but he could have gotten a lot better in comparison. Sure there is a cast of minor characters to try and surpress TR, but they can't really do much, with the exception of the Elites and the Frontier Brains.

    Now, add this to TR. If each team of grunts were as good as Butch and Cassidy, or even the incompitent trio, they could actually be a threat. Like I said earlier, their plans would have worked if Ash wasn't there, just imagine thousands of that, and you have Team Rocket, added with the fact that there are much better agents in Team Rocket anyway.

    Let's go back to Giovanni. Even if he isn't the most powerful trainer in the world, he is still a powerful man. He has powerful pokemon and a lot of resources, and if they really want to make him a threat, than he also might have people in the government. Add to the fact that he never fought seriously, or with his own pokemon. The pokemon he used against Gary are probably used so that people have a chance. He is a gym leader after all, and he is likely to be at a certain level, so he doesn't use his best team. He never used Persian either, which means that it is either really powerful, like Wigglytuff in PMD2, or for show. Either way, he is powerful, and commands thousands of people! Ash is a berserker, he'd try to plow through them all before fighting Giovanni! With the help from any Elite 4, he could probably do this, but the only person who would probably help, other than his friends, is Lance, and a few Frontier Brains. they is powerful, that is true, but to fight off possibly hundreds of people, a few people possibly at the same level, and someone stronger than them, all without rest? Unless you have the luck of the gods, that isn't possibly going to happen!

    Not to mention their judgement. Rockets are supposed to be ruthless, which gives them a huge edge over the heroes and supporting cast! They will keep on attacking unless they are put down! Weakening the heroes pokemon even further! There is Paul that could fight them evenly, seeing as he fights somewhat like them, but even he has his limits. If they were powerful two to five years ago, they'd be much more so this time around!

    Now, there are things in here that can be countered, but this is just how I think it would go down.
     
    lol wow....very long post which I enjoyed reading, because he does have a point.

    Ash started his pokemon journey and in each region, it took a whole year. So up to this point in the series, I'm assuming he's been on the red between 4 and 5 years. Which is PLENTY amount of time for Team Rocket to get stronger and beef up their ranks. This, makes them a very huge threat.

    So my final answer is: No, I don't think they could pull it off. They would need help from the Elite Four and Frontier Brains, and then some.
     
    Warning, small rant ahead.

    The first I'll talk about is if the actual Team Rocket is weak compared to Ash, to signify his gain in power over the years. Because he managed to foil their plans. (Even if it was just dumb luck most of the time, hell, the 'incompitent' trio are actually pretty decent members, and most of their plans would work if they didn't follow Ash and Pikachu, but I'm getting off topic here.) But later on, he can actually take them down and get them captured.

    Or it could go the way that I think it might go. I think I heard somewhere that Giovanni was the most powerful trainer in the world. Don't quote me on that, but if this is true (Which it might be, because he never fought seriously in the anime.) than he'll have hell to go through to beat the members, if they were also powerful, since the trio that follow them are likely at a low rank. Viscious (villain of Pokemon 4ever) is a Rocket Administrator, and he was tough to beat, granted that was in Johto, but they too could have improved over the years.

    Okay, since it actually took Ash a year to get through Kanto, (Somewhere in the dub, before fighting the 'Incompitent' trio for the eighth badge) I assume it took a year to get through each major region. I know there's a flaw in this, but this is what I go by. Both the Orange Islands and the Battle Frontier, being fairly small would probably be somewhere between 3 and 8 months. I wouldn't ever say a year, but I go highest case for OI, and lowest for the Kanto BF.

    The Battle Zone, if they go there, would probably take around the same time as the Kanto BF, maybe a little longer, so I'll say 4 months. Now remove every season before Hoenn from the equation.

    Hoenn and Sinnoh gives them two years and the combined BZ and Kanto BF would be seven months. Now assuming that they go after Team Rocket immedately, than Giovanni and his admins have had a range of two years and seven months to three years and four months to get stronger. I know in this there can be flaws, but this is just my opinion on the matter. This theory can easily be disproved. Now, If Ash got to where he was in Johto, to where he is now in Sinnoh skill wise, think of what criminal masterminds could do, if they took time to train or learn. They'd be monsters! Now, the fifth Generation, I'm pretty sure will be coming out, so let's factor that in as well.

    Another year, plus a possible six month side story for HG/SS, and another 3-8 month side story. That would be within the range of 1 year, nine months, and 2 years, 2 months. Add that to the equation above and they have a range of 4 years, four months and 5 years, six months. But that's just estimation. There is also a chance for another season, but if this keeps up, I will be getting off topic.

    Point is, they have had a lot of time to get stronger than ever before. I don't think Ritchie could fight against TR like Ash did, because Ash is the main character and will likely beat down TR, and Misty fighting to surpress TR is laughable, because she, while she is a good trainer, would lose to Ash in a heartbeat at this point. Sure, she beat Ash in the Whirl Islands, but he could have gotten a lot better in comparison. Sure there is a cast of minor characters to try and surpress TR, but they can't really do much, with the exception of the Elites and the Frontier Brains.

    Now, add this to TR. If each team of grunts were as good as Butch and Cassidy, or even the incompitent trio, they could actually be a threat. Like I said earlier, their plans would have worked if Ash wasn't there, just imagine thousands of that, and you have Team Rocket, added with the fact that there are much better agents in Team Rocket anyway.

    Let's go back to Giovanni. Even if he isn't the most powerful trainer in the world, he is still a powerful man. He has powerful pokemon and a lot of resources, and if they really want to make him a threat, than he also might have people in the government. Add to the fact that he never fought seriously, or with his own pokemon. The pokemon he used against Gary are probably used so that people have a chance. He is a gym leader after all, and he is likely to be at a certain level, so he doesn't use his best team. He never used Persian either, which means that it is either really powerful, like Wigglytuff in PMD2, or for show. Either way, he is powerful, and commands thousands of people! Ash is a berserker, he'd try to plow through them all before fighting Giovanni! With the help from any Elite 4, he could probably do this, but the only person who would probably help, other than his friends, is Lance, and a few Frontier Brains. they is powerful, that is true, but to fight off possibly hundreds of people, a few people possibly at the same level, and someone stronger than them, all without rest? Unless you have the luck of the gods, that isn't possibly going to happen!

    Not to mention their judgement. Rockets are supposed to be ruthless, which gives them a huge edge over the heroes and supporting cast! They will keep on attacking unless they are put down! Weakening the heroes pokemon even further! There is Paul that could fight them evenly, seeing as he fights somewhat like them, but even he has his limits. If they were powerful two to five years ago, they'd be much more so this time around!

    Now, there are things in here that can be countered, but this is just how I think it would go down.

    Well, just a minor correction. It was implied in the episode where Giovanni was fought as a Gym Leader that the idea for using "weak pokemon" or not fighting seriously was so he can get the trainers overconfident enough so that he would use Mewtwo and sadistically watch them cower in fear as a result and had absolutely nothing to do with League Regulations at all. That's also not taking into account that GLs were portrayed as badly in the anime as JJM were in Episode 3 (you know what I mean), but other than that, very good points.

    Heck, Maybe if Misty was not currently running the Gym, maybe she WOULD be able to have a chance at defeating Team Rocket. Like you said, she beat Ash in the Whirl cup. If she actually did her own Journey, at least, rather than just get herself stuck at the Gym, she may also have as much of a chance as Ash (which, frankly, the only reason why Misty would have less than a chance compared to Ash in this case is due to her being a Gym Leader.).

    You know, honestly, I'm surprised that they haven't included an telekinetic, enforcer-type character in Team Rocket (similar to Darth Vader, or heck, General Blue). I mean, in every evil organization, there's bound to be a person who is second in Command to the leader, who leads the militaristic might of said evil organization, and enforces his master's will through certain abilities (Darth Vader, Ridley, Lord Krump, and heck, even General Blue/Staff Officer Black matched these roles). Maybe they should also take into account that Team Rocket also kills pokemon (It was heavily implied in both Gen I and it's remakes that Team Rocket kills pokemon, with the Marowak incident being a notable example.). Heck, maybe have Team Rocket be directly responsible for the death of the Main Character's family (Ash won't cut it, seeing how his Mom's still alive, and it's implied that his Dad's still alive. Brock also won't cut it either, seeing how both his parents were still alive [and even taking the 4kids death of his mom into account, it's implied to be of natural causes]. May and Max can't work either. While Dawn's dad was never revealed to be alive or dead, one can argue that she may be one character. However, even IF her father was killed, it wouldn't have been by Team Rocket, as it's implied in DP002 that no one in Sinnoh has ever heard of Team Rocket. Tracey can't be confirmed one way or another as he's an unknown factor. Misty had most of her background revealed, yet not once did they EVER reference her parents (Heck, one can argue that they died while Misty was very young.). So far, Misty would be a likely case.)
     
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