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[Super Puppy]

Okay, this is the first team I've built in a looooooooooong time. I just kind of threw this together using bits and pieces of previous experiments of mine. This is probably hopelessly outdated and useless, but I wanted to post it nonetheless. So, you know, tear it to shreds and whatnot. Make it not suck. Heh heh heh.


Gengar
Timid
EVs: 252 SATK, 252 Spe, 4 SDef
Choice Specs
~Shadow Ball
~Thunderbolt
~Will-o-wisp
~Trick

Trick lead of awesomeness. My opponent's lead comes out and BAM, Choice Specs! Of course, if that isn't necessary, then she's just a powerful sweeper. I know Will-o-wisp isn't often suggested, but I have a personal fondness for status moves. Annoying my opponent beyond belief is part of my strategy. Thunderbolt takes care of things such as Gyarados, and Shadow Ball is great STAB.
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Gallade (My signature Pokemon, a.k.a. my favorite, meaning NO replacing, capice? He stays.)
Adamant
EVs: I'm not sure; got in a trade. Something to the effect of: 252 Atk, 200 Spe, 52 HP
Leftovers
~Psycho Cut
~T-wave
~Stone Edge
~Close Combat

Something of a bulky sweeper, but with status. Gallade has great status capabilities, and I wanted to take at least some advantage of that. Plus, Thunder Wave slows opponents down, which helps Gallade out since he's not the fastest guy in town. Or if nothing else, it can force a switch. Other moves are for STAB and coverage.
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Honchkrow
Mild
EVs: 200 SAtk, 212 Atk, 96 Spe
Choice Scarf
~Dark Pulse
~Drill Peck
~Superpower
~Heat Wave

Honchkrow is a mixed sweeper. I love mixed sweepers. This one in particular is a bit of a curveball, since most teams probably don't prepare for it. Superpower kills Blissey and Heat Wave is for steels. The others are good STAB.
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Snorlax
Careful
EVs: 244 HP, 28 Atk, 236 SDef
Lefties
~Body Slam
~Rest
~Sleep Talk
~Crunch

I use Snorlax as my special wall. People constantly chide me for not selecting Blissey, but I like the power Snorlax can bring. I pumped a few EVs into attack for the same reason. Standard RestTalk.
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Porygon-Z
Modest
EVs: 252 SAtk, 252 Spe, 4 Def
Life Orb
~Dark Pulse
~Ice Beam
~Tri Attack
~Psychic/ Nasty Plot

I love Porygon-Z as a sweeper. This thing really packs a punch. Ice Beam is a must because it's the only move I have to put an end to most Dragon-types. I can't decide weather or not to use Nasty Plot. It seems a bit useless to me, since it's already Modest with a Life Orb.
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Feraligatr
Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk, 220 Spe, 36 HP
Lefties
~Waterfall
~Ice Punch
~Earthquake
~Swords Dance

I'm not exactly sure what inspired me to put a Feraligatr into my team. I've always been fond of it, I suppose. Perhaps it's the imminent coming of HG/ SS. In any case, here he is. I'm using the Swords Dance set, courtesy of Smogon. It seems quite workable to me. However, I did make him a bit bulkier than usual. I think he'd be more useful as more of a tankish attacker and less of a sweeper, especially since he has no Speed-increasing moves here. But SD puts him at an advantage over others, which I like.


Okay, there you have it. Rate away!

 

[Mobile Tsk]

Mixkrow is iffy at best and your set ignores what Honchkrow does best: Sucker Punch. Honestly, Physicalkrow is tons better, but if you must use that set, at least run Sucker Punch > Dark Pulse. But really if you do that, you've only got Heat Wave left on the special spectrum which would only be useful for hitting Scizor on the switch.

I'll do a full rate when/if I get around to it.

 

[Super Puppy]

All right! Well, thanks for the Honchkrow advice. I'll look into that and see if I can make a better set.

EDIT: Though I think he fares just fine without Sucker Punch. It and Dark Pulse deal the same amount of damage. The only major difference is that Sucker Punch is a priority move, but Honchkrow is scarfed, so is that really necessary?

Anyway, part of what I like about this set is I can occasionally trick people into thinking I'm running Physicalkrow. As long as I first use Drill Peck or Superpower, they don't suspect I have special moves as well. They switch into a physical wall and then I break out the special attacks to deal a lot of damage. Heat Wave just can't carry that strategy on it's own.

 

[Anti]

Typically I don't do quote and bold rates since they're usually pretty useless/ignore things that are actually important, but in this case it's probably necessary because the individuals themselves bring this team down.

Okay, this is the first team I've built in a looooooooooong time. I just kind of threw this together using bits and pieces of previous experiments of mine. This is probably hopelessly outdated and useless, but I wanted to post it nonetheless. So, you know, tear it to shreds and whatnot. Make it not suck. Heh heh heh.


Gengar
Timid
EVs: 252 SATK, 252 Spe, 4 SDef
Choice Specs
~Shadow Ball
~Focus Blast
~Will-o-wisp
~Trick

Trick lead of awesomeness. My opponent's lead comes out and BAM, Choice Specs! Of course, if that isn't necessary, then she's just a powerful sweeper. I know Will-o-wisp isn't often suggested, but I have a personal fondness for status moves. Annoying my opponent beyond belief is part of my strategy. Thunderbolt takes care of things such as Gyarados, and Shadow Ball is great STAB.

This isn't so bad though it's very easy to crush after it chooses its attack. I mean, TrickSpecsing something like Metagross that is expected to die early isn't really all that useful. You're probably trying to do too much at once with this set, but I've never used it so I can't really say.

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Gallade (My signature Pokemon, a.k.a. my favorite, meaning NO replacing, capice? He stays.)
Adamant
EVs: I'm not sure; got in a trade. Something to the effect of: 252 Atk, 200 Spe, 52 HP
Leftovers
~Psycho Cut / Ice Punch
~Will-O-Wisp
~Stone Edge
~Close Combat

Something of a bulky sweeper, but with status. Gallade has great status capabilities, and I wanted to take at least some advantage of that. Plus, Thunder Wave slows opponents down, which helps Gallade out since he's not the fastest guy in town. Or if nothing else, it can force a switch. Other moves are for STAB and coverage.

Gallade's normal switch-ins have a lot more trouble with Will-O-Wisp. It doesn't make up for its bad Speed, but it basically makes that Pokemon useless. A paralyzed Pokemon can't sweep, but it can still do a ton of damage.

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Honchkrow
Mild
EVs: 200 SAtk, 212 Atk, 96 Spe
Choice Scarf
~Dark Pulse
~Drill Peck
~Superpower
~Heat Wave

Honchkrow is a mixed sweeper. I love mixed sweepers. This one in particular is a bit of a curveball, since most teams probably don't prepare for it. Superpower kills Blissey and Heat Wave is for steels. The others are good STAB.

SR weak + no defenses + locked into one move + still is outsped by all kinds of things + no atk/satk boosting item = terrible mixed sweeper. Replace.

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Snorlax
Careful
EVs: 244 HP, 28 Atk, 236 SDef
Lefties
~Body Slam
~Rest
~Sleep Talk
~Crunch

I use Snorlax as my special wall. People constantly chide me for not selecting Blissey, but I like the power Snorlax can bring. I pumped a few EVs into attack for the same reason. Standard RestTalk.

Aye, this is horrible outdated, just like CurseLax. Actually, CurseLax might even be better since it actually poses a threat, and Sleep Talk really doesn't stop this from being set-up fodder. Scizor's entry into OU really sucks for Snorlax.

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Porygon-Z
Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk, 252 Spe, 4 Def
Choice Scarf
~Dark Pulse
~Ice Beam
~Tri Attack
~Thunderbolt

I love Porygon-Z as a sweeper. This thing really packs a punch. Ice Beam is a must because it's the only move I have to put an end to most Dragon-types. I can't decide weather or not to use Nasty Plot. It seems a bit useless to me, since it's already Modest with a Life Orb.

Really bad Pokemon. It makes a decent (though Pursuit weak) revenge killer with Choice Scarf. Another outdated Pokemon I'm afraid =(

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Feraligatr
Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk, 220 Spe, 36 HP
Lefties
~Waterfall
~Ice Punch
~Earthquake
~Swords Dance

I'm not exactly sure what inspired me to put a Feraligatr into my team. I've always been fond of it, I suppose. Perhaps it's the imminent coming of HG/ SS. In any case, here he is. I'm using the Swords Dance set, courtesy of Smogon. It seems quite workable to me. However, I did make him a bit bulkier than usual. I think he'd be more useful as more of a tankish attacker and less of a sweeper, especially since he has no Speed-increasing moves here. But SD puts him at an advantage over others, which I like.

36 HP EVs doesn't make it bulky really. Either way, Feraligatr is a cool Pokemon, though your team is pretty weak to all of its counters so I don't know how well it fits in.

Okay, there you have it. Rate away!

The theme of that was basically "this doesn't work anymore" which is pretty much true of your team in general. Your team is weak to most common threats in the metagame, unfortunately, as this team definitely has an early DP vibe about it. First of all, if you want a Gengar with Will-O-Wisp, I would run a Life Orb set with Hidden Power Fire (if you can get it, as this appears to be WiFi) over Trick. If you can't get HP Fire, Thunderbolt will do, though Scizor will be more of a problem.

Speaking of Scizor, you have problems with it. You could run HP Fire on your Porygon-Z, but Bullet Punch still crushes it so it doesn't really matter, and the CBer never stays in long (and revenge killing Choice users is counterproductive). I would switch your Snorlax from RestTalk into offensive Snorlax:

Snorlax @ Leftovers / Choice Band
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Body Slam
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch
- Crunch / Selfdestruct

This is a great Snorlax. Fire Punch is a perfect way to lure in Scizor and take it out of the battle before it can hurt you. Crunch is only really for Gengar and I guess Dusknoir (though you'll lose to it anyway so I mean...), so I would use Selfdestruct to blow everything up.

Next, to actually counter Scizor, I would either use Gyarados or Zapdos over Honchkrow. Which one is up to you - Zapdos is better defensively, but Gyarados is more threatening.

Keep Porygon-Z Scarfed to deal with Salamence and Gyarados, as you are quite weak to both of them. Timid is absolutely required to outspeed Adamant DDMence after a DD.


I mean, there's a lot you can do to fix this. I don't want to limit your options much, so you can wait for others to post and figure out what you want to do. Still, Honchkrow needs to be replaced for sure, Porygon-Z either Scarfed or replaced, and Snorlax made offensively capable or replaced. Beyond that, you just need to cover your Scizor, Salamence, and Gyarados weaknesses (Gengar covers Lucario well enough, though you'll probably want something to reinforce it since it's easy to KO as it switches into CC or SD and instead takes Crunch or Stone Edge).

Good luck.

 

[Mobile Tsk]

All right! Well, thanks for the Honchkrow advice. I'll look into that and see if I can make a better set.

EDIT: Though I think he fares just fine without Sucker Punch. It and Dark Pulse deal the same amount of damage. The only major difference is that Sucker Punch is a priority move, but Honchkrow is scarfed, so is that really necessary?

Anyway, part of what I like about this set is I can occasionally trick people into thinking I'm running Physicalkrow. As long as I first use Drill Peck or Superpower, they don't suspect I have special moves as well. They switch into a physical wall and then I break out the special attacks to deal a lot of damage. Heat Wave just can't carry that strategy on it's own.

I suppose I overlooked your Scarf. But Scarfkrow is lol anyway. Run LO or just replace it as Anti suggested.

 

[Super Puppy]

Anti: Wow! Thank you so much for that really detailed rate! You've given me a lot to think about. Interestingly enough, being outdated was my biggest fear with this team, since I've been gone. But... wow again. I think I can do a lot of improving. ^^

Benadryl: Thanks. I understand your point, though. Maybe Honchkrow is better off replaced.

If that happens, my team now stands at:
Gengar
Gallade (with WoW)
Snorlax (The new set)
Feraligatr

I need two more Pokemon now; at least one of them a Special Attacker. Maybe I could use a Magnezone for one. I could do a Zapdos maybe to replace Honchkrow. Or what about a Mixmence? Any thoughts?

 

[Anti]

I suppose I overlooked your Scarf. But Scarfkrow is lol anyway. Run LO or just replace it as Anti suggested.

The Scarf doesn't really make a difference, actually. It has 303 Speed with the Scarf, which means it loses to things like Jolly Lucario, which is pretty sad. Scarf makes it impossible to do any kind of sweeping with Honchkrow, and the lack of Speed means it can't revenge kill either...

EDIT: Hold on I'll make suggestions for two new Pokemon in about an hour, have stuff to do lol...

 

[Greene1516]

In response to Anti's post, and I'm not going to quote all that, but I have to disagree with the jist of it. A good player can make most things work, this idea that only certain things work and should be used is the reason the metagame is as it is right now. People should really use what they like and if they are good can make them work.

That being said, most of his suggestions there I would agree with such as the changes of moves, but getting rid of Snorlax for instance because it is "out-dated" I don't agree with. If you like it, keep it.

The Scarf doesn't really make a difference, actually. It has 303 Speed with the Scarf, which means it loses to things like Jolly Lucario, which is pretty sad. Scarf makes it impossible to do any kind of sweeping with Honchkrow, and the lack of Speed means it can't revenge kill either...

EDIT: Hold on I'll make suggestions for two new Pokemon in about an hour, have stuff to do lol...

BTW, he would only lose out to jollt Lucario if it had 29-31 speed IV's.

 

[Super Puppy]

Anti: Okay, thanks!

Greene: I totally understand and appreciate what you're saying. I love being unique and trying to use Pokemon that aren't often seen. But there has to be a balance in each team. I try to use a blend of OU and UU Pokemon so it's both strong and interesting. Regardless of how good one is, there's limits. Like, you couldn't just throw a Weezing against a Heatran and hope for the best, no matter how good you are.


By the way, how about a Magnezone set such as this for a Porygon-Z replacement? (I never really liked it anyway, so I have no problem saying goodbye.)

Magnezone
Leftovers
Modest
172 HP, 252 SAtk, 84 Def
Thunderbolt
Substitute
Flash Cannon
Explosion

I think a little Defence does my team good, since I have no physical wall. T-bolt destroys Gyarados as well. Flash Cannon is pretty decent STAB, and Explosion is fun as hell (not the best justification, but it does really come in handy sometimes).

EDIT: Ooh, I wonder if I could fit a Jynx in there somewhere? I've always loved Jynx. Haha.

 

[Pokedra]

In response to Anti's post, and I'm not going to quote all that, but I have to disagree with the jist of it. A good player can make most things work, this idea that only certain things work and should be used is the reason the metagame is as it is right now. People should really use what they like and if they are good can make them work.

That being said, most of his suggestions there I would agree with such as the changes of moves, but getting rid of Snorlax for instance because it is "out-dated" I don't agree with. If you like it, keep it.




BTW, he would only lose out to jollt Lucario if it had 29-31 speed IV's.

Jolly Luke has 307 Speed and his Honchkrow only reaches 303 Speed with a Scarf(31 Speed IV).

Anyways on with the team, I can't see what Honchkrow is doing to be brutally honest. Yeah it mixsweeps but when it kills something it's locked into that and really makes a good set-up chance. (Eg. You kill a Blissey with Superpower and the opponent bring a Gyarados in.) You'd want a better mixed sweeper. Try MixApe, it has great Speed and helps break stall.

Infernape @ Life Orb
Nature : Naive
EV : 64 Atk / 252 SpAtk / 192 Spe
-Close Combat
-Fire Blast
-Grass Knot
-HP Ice

Beats all positive natured base 100's and 64 Atk EV's grab a OHKO on the standard Blissey after SR.

Change Lax to CBLax, use Anti's set. It'll give you something to pack a punch. Blissey will always be superior to Lax in special walling, yeah he has some power but she has a far superior SpD / HP stat and great support options and instant recovery.

I guess you could use Scarf Porygon-Z as that does work okay and it'll help you revenge-kill some threats. I wouldn't use Magenzone as that is really too slow and doesn't cover that many threats =(

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Porygon-Z @ Choice Scarf
Nature : Timid
EV : 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
-Tri Attack
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Dark Pulse / HP Fighting

You can revenge-kill stuff like Salamence and Gyarados with this as well as non-Scarfed Gar and also stuff. It is outdated and Pursuit weak but I guess it can work.

Ferligatar is a nice Pokemon but I think it'd be better changing it to BulkyDos since that can pull off a nice sweep and it really does better then Ferligatar on this team.

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Nature : Adamant
EV : 156 HP / 108 Atk / 100 Def / 144 Spe
-Waterfall
-Dragon Dance
-Earthquake
-Taunt / Stone Edge

Good luck on your team!

 

[Super Puppy]

Ooh, those are some interesting ideas. Thanks! I'm gonna look into that.

 

[Anti]

In response to Anti's post, and I'm not going to quote all that, but I have to disagree with the jist of it. A good player can make most things work, this idea that only certain things work and should be used is the reason the metagame is as it is right now. People should really use what they like and if they are good can make them work.

That being said, most of his suggestions there I would agree with such as the changes of moves, but getting rid of Snorlax for instance because it is "out-dated" I don't agree with. If you like it, keep it.

BTW, he would only lose out to jollt Lucario if it had 29-31 speed IV's.

Yeah, no. That's like saying "use whatever bike you think is the coolest regardless of how fast it goes, because any good rider can win the race regardless of that." That's the kind of mindset that stops people from getting better. You use the things that are the best if you want to win. Besides, if your opponent plays as well as you and has a team with better Pokemon, your opponent is going to win unless his/her team has 3457634578 weaknesses. To quote my esteemed colleague, D_A:

ATTN NUBS : Being original with pokemon/movesets does necessarily make you good/not suck less lol :]

This argument has been rehashed a million times. If you're honestly suggesting that he shouldn't replace the Pokemon I told him to despite them being horrible outdated and ineffective because he might like them more, you should just stop posting, since that totally goes against the mindset of this forum. The purpose of this forum is for team raters to put the people seeking help in the best possible position to win. I'm not saying "use all OUs" or anything like that, I'm just saying use the Pokemon that put you in the best position to win.

tl;dr: If you keep something only because you like it despite it sucking or suggest somebody should do that, you're in the wrong forum. And by that I mean don't post here if you're going to say things like that. *sigh*

 

[Super Puppy]

Anti: Hey, hey, hey. I'm a she. XD

Now, about the Magnezone... good? Bad? Ugly? I'm too horribly outdated to know. T_T

Ha ha ha.