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Stone Edge will be inferior on Machamp because:

1. Ice/Thunderpunch cover the bulk of flying types, the main reason why he has the punches.
2. Stone Edge without No Guard is risky. You gotta nail something.
3. You need Payback, or else the Cressy you want to kill laughs at you. Also it's 100% accurate, so missing won't be an issue, even if you only get half out of it.

Payback is wanted in this case, or as D.Azelf just said, Facade would work if you can get in on a status.
 
nonono when i mentioned drapion, i was precisely playing with the idea of it as a defensive tank who can attack at the same time. so impish nature, plenty of hp, plenty of def, and perhaps a little atk or speed. i personally like battle armor, but it's your decision. dark + fire does have a decent coverage, so i'm not convinced you'll need earthquake. you can probably fit in taunt or roar over it, or if you want it to be able to take on gliscor and friends, ice fang is an option.

oh and the bit about payback... i'm just not that crazy about it on something that gets 2HKOd by whatever plans to attack it anyway, but on top of that, doesn't really ever gets its doubling in power when it's meant to take out cressy, dusknoir, etc who wouldn't 2HKO machamp and would just continue to stall instead.
 
looks delicious. let's eat.

oh and if you're keeping battle armor, give it crunch instead of night slash, foo.
 
well, now you only have one fighting resist. geez, friggin CB fighters =/

i've had drapion survive an explosion after already taking damage but i highly doubt it could survive two CB close combats. tho, i'm sure you can handle that.

my only other concern is milotic and whether or not having toxic is productive on a team that is mostly offensive.
 
eh nvm. it's really the best way for it to handle other bulky waters.
 
Weavile kills half of your team. Night slash is a 3hko thankfully on milotic. (With cb) So with drapion, you are ok. Jolly tyranitar hurs badly. If persian misses, you are dead.
 
boo836 said:
Weavile kills half of your team. Night slash is a 3hko thankfully on milotic. (With cb) So with drapion, you are ok. Jolly tyranitar hurs badly. If persian misses, you are dead.
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3HKO...and Milotic has Recover 0_o That's also assuming Marvel Scale doesn't activate, and even if it doesn't Machamp can come in on Night Slash after Milo takes little damage and can scare it off with Close Combat.

Also, how in the world does Tyranitar hurt this team so badly? Mahcamp resists both STAB and can OHKO Tyranitar. Most people use Adamant anyways, and Jolly DDtar only comes in in the late-game when prepared teams are vulnerable (as in when the counters are dead).

Also, of course Persian is in trouble if Hypnosis misses, and so is Gengar are any other fragile sleeper. Really though, Persian will most likely be sleeping a switch-in, so if it misses it can just try again.
 
Tyranitar is on a list of seven Pokemon I try to be prepared for. So the only time I would have a weakness if it was an accident. But I'm usually VERY careful when it comes to the big seven (except this time I let my team get too special-based, thus leaving me open to Blissey and Cresselia).
 
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Zapdos isn't going to do well against Megahorns and Close Combats, and overeliance on it to counter both of them doesn't help the team considering Heracross and Lucario will do a lot of damage. Heracross also has Stone Edge

Maybe you should start preparing for the other 40 OU pokemon?

For Machamp, Facade is very situational and is generally inferior to Payback. Your team does not have a lot of speed bar Zapdos (which is bulky) and Persian (which rolls over to a lot of common attacks). Heracross would be a better fit on there due to the higher speed.

I don't see Drapion cutting it as a bulky physical unfortunately. For now, I feel Drapion is trying to do two things at once and is walled by a lot of things. I would drop Taunt as the phazers that are coming on Drapion (Hippo, Skarm) will completely wall you anyway. Earthquake or Brick Break > Taunt.

Mamoswine also tears through this team easily bar Persian and Machamp. Persian cannot switch in directly, the most it can do is Water Pulse or Hypnosis. Machamp is too slow and doesn't enjoy taking STAB EQs.

Drapion and Magnezone don't fit on this team IMO, you have almost no need to KO steel-types, and Drapion isn't really a defensive Swords Dancer, and IMO its outclassed by Gliscor in defence and offence.
 
your old moltres would probably fit in well there, but zapdos and moltres on the same team is lol >_<

salamence isn't too afraid of any of them, especially if it were to have a sub-attacking set, but ice weakness ain't too attractive.

hmm... how do you feel about a subpunching magmortar?
 
yeah, don't go with 2 SR weak pokemon without a spinner. That'll crumble your team in little time. However, Magmortar brings some fun to breaking SkarmBliss. With Substitute, Focus Punch, (Fire move of preference), and possibly HP Ice/Thunderbolt, it'll hit many things.

Zapdos appears to be a solid teammate, so that'll throw it out of question. I just wish Magnezone could Rapid Spin. I know it'd have little of uses, but...it's shaped like it can -_-...
 
s-rock, s-smoch.... or something like that heh.

rapid spinners are quite overrated.
 
Well...after looking over your team, you have two pokemon resistant to SR, so that's a good thing. Nobody is exceedingly weak to it either. However, Spikes will hurt you.
 
why is it a problem when his team isn't that threatened by pokes who commonly have roar/whirlwind? skarmory gets owned by almost everything on this team and donphan can't really come in safely on them. hippowdon is the only example of something that poses a threat because of it's ability to recover its hp, whittle hp down with sandstorm, attack with STAB EQ and it's superior hp. even so, milotic and machamp (and perhaps persian) can work in unison to take care of the problem.

beside that, his team does have a decent amount of staying power. drapion and milotic are the only things on his team that are forced to switch out upon specific threats while the rest have several options to consider.
 
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