Question: Is a permanent ban on the first offense ever warranted?

[FreakyLocz14]

Besides when members post pornography or use sock accounts to evade bans, that is.

 

[Ivysaur]

If your first offence is blatant trolling (and most likely we'll give you a couple of chances before going for the permaban) or you are an adbot, then yeah. But if your offense is a regular spam post/insult/thread revival/what have you, then there is an infraction system that gives you plenty of chances before getting permabanned.

 

[FreakyLocz14]

If your first offence is blatant trolling (and most likely we'll give you a couple of chances before going for the permaban) or you are an adbot, then yeah. But if your offense is a regular spam post/insult/thread revival/what have you, then there is an infraction system that gives you plenty of chances before getting permabanned.

So if you get warned and infracted for something, and shorty after break a different rule, does that result in a permaban?

 

[Alternative]

It really all depends on the severity of the incident. A permaban only happens when you reach a certain amount of point, or a certain amount of red infraction cards. Once you reach said number, the permaban will take effect.

If you break a rule, get infracted for it and shortly after break another rule, usually an infraction will be given, but it all depends on the leniency of the moderator giving the infraction.

 

[Ivysaur]

I just want to point out that, since we instated the infraction system, only two people have ever got permabanned for collecting way too many infractions/infraction points.

In other words, as long as your offenses are minor, and not the ones that warrant an automatic permaban to begin with (the ones you and I listed before), you'll have to work really hard to get one. Otherwise, most people will only ever get two weeks or, in rare cases of constant rule breaking, one month worth of ban.

 

[FreakyLocz14]

I just want to point out that, since we instated the infraction system, only two people have ever got permabanned for collecting way too many infractions/infraction points.

In other words, as long as your offenses are minor, and not the ones that warrant an automatic permaban to begin with (the ones you and I listed before), you'll have to work really hard to get one. Otherwise, most people will only ever get two weeks or, in rare cases of constant rule breaking, one month worth of ban.

It seems like we give malfactors plenty of oppurtunities to change their ways here.

 

[Captain Fabio]

It seems like we give malfactors plenty of oppurtunities to change their ways here.

Is that something you disagree with? Because personally, I think it is good that opportunities are given to past offenders.

Like everyone else has said, but I will repeat it just incase you missed it, you can't use an example case unless it is at one end of the extreme, eg joining to advertise. It depends on the staff members discretion and what they feel is right to do if, as well as what rules we follow.​

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[Nick]

I recently perma-banned someone without a single infraction that didn't fall into the adbots, pornographic material spammers, joining to advertise, etc. group. Of course, they didn't fall into the typical spamming, insult, borderline trolling, or other infraction-worthy infractions either; but a perma-ban without a first offense can be warranted on a case-by-case basis.

Though, I don't know where the impression that sock-puppetting gets a perma ban came from. I can only think of one case of someone being banned because they were sock-puppetting, and that was because they were using that account to win contests - and I'm pretty sure they were warned about it beforehand and just didn't listen. Typically, though, unless they were bypassing a ban to begin with, we don't ban someone just because they're pretending to be someone new to the community. I personally don't even have a problem with that so long as it's an honest attempt to start new.

Then again, the only infractions I really care about is when someone is disrespecting another member, someone's trolling a thread, or someone is harassing and stalking (more than just checking what that member is doing, reading all of their posts, etc.) someone. I don't really deem most of the things we infract for as anything more than an annoyance to the community that a simple deletion can't solve, but that's just one person's impression. Nevertheless, the most I do to someone who doesn't fall in those three infractions, I typically just remove the problem without punishing them. #toolenient

 

[FreakyLocz14]

Is that something you disagree with? Because personally, I think it is good that opportunities are given to past offenders.

Like everyone else has said, but I will repeat it just incase you missed it, you can't use an example case unless it is at one end of the extreme, eg joining to advertise. It depends on the staff members discretion and what they feel is right to do if, as well as what rules we follow.​

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I actually think it's a good thing. While there might be situations where it's warranted, it should be a rare occurance. I'm trying to tell staff how to do their jobs, though.

https://www.pokecommunity.com/threads/256937

I made a serious typo in this thread. I meant to say that I'm NOT trying to tell staff how to do their jobs. I would have edited the post, but the thread is locked.

Just wanted to make that clear.

 

[LightOfTruth]

The staff here can do what they want, It is there site :)

 

[Guy]

The staff here can do what they want, It is there site :)

However, we try to do things within reason. If we banned everyone we didn't like or just because we wanted to, then the system would be unfair and not a lot of users would feel comfortable being around the forum. That's why we follow a system when it comes to infractions and banning members as mentioned a few times above. Otherwise, if we ever ban someone on the spot ─ not including blatant trolls, adbots, ban evaders, and the likes ─ it's usually discussed and is handled on by a case-by-case basis.

 

[mishy.]

I actually think it's a good thing. While there might be situations where it's warranted, it should be a rare occurance. I'm trying to tell staff how to do their jobs, though.

I'm honestly trying to figure out your point, because as far as I can tell, everything that we've been saying is pretty much telling you that other than the blatant trolls, adbots, and ban evaders it is a rare occurrence. If it looks like someone was banned quickly, it could be that they had racked up the number of points that resulted in said perma-ban. It doesn't necessarily mean that they got one offense and then they were banned. :/