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It's Time To End The Banning Of Legends here at PC

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MKDS_PoKE

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    Hello everyone. You can think of this thread as a "rant" if you will. I've noticed that here at PC, a majority of battlers try to totally "ban" legends from their game. I also see in tournaments a disordered rule that bans absolutely all legends - not just ubers. Thusly, judging by people banning legends and making it a rule on tournaments, it kind of "embarrases" the tournament maker. Well, that is for the more expirienced competitive player (such as me).

    By reading this, please do not assume that a certain pokemon should be uber

    1. Ubers

    Ubers are legendary, but it seems that some of you mistaken some legends that arne't ubers. Ubers are pokemon that have some kind of strong point (such as in Base Stats, Abilities, Moves, etc) that seperate it from the standards (or pokemon that "aren't" uber. Also note that most pokemon that are uber are over 600 in total base stats.

    A list of ubers:

    Mewtwo - Extremely fast and powerful in special attack. Has a total of 680 in total base stats

    Mew - Can learn every move in the game

    Wobbuffet - Can't take this down without killing your own pokemon

    Lugia - Absolutely the best special wall in the game. Total base stats is over 600

    Ho-Oh - Once again, over 600 and has powerful offenses as well as defenses

    Latias - Base stats, and it it's defenses are extreme

    Latios - Latias just offensive style

    Kyogre - Base stats, extremely powerful as a special sweeper

    Groudon - Base stats as well, extremely powerful as a physical sweeper

    Rayquaza - Base stats, very offensive

    Deoxys (all forms) - Stats are extremely powerful for each form

    Dialga - Stats of course, and has it's own item that boosts it's attack, and has a signature move

    Palkia - Same as above

    Giratina - SO DEFENSIVE! It's stats.

    Manaphy - Their is a reason. Learns tail glow, extremely hard to take down without dying (can sweep teams)

    Darkrai - Like mewtwo, just it has the move Dark Void

    Arceus - Strongest pokemon in the game. Can be any type. Can learn any move.

    2. Legends That Aren't Ubers

    These should not be banned. They are as strong as the regular pokemon we all use such as Salamence, Garchomp, etc. If it has an explanation, it's because of something important.

    Azelf
    Uxie
    Mespirit
    Regirock
    Registeel
    Regice
    Heatran
    Cresselia
    Entei
    Raikou
    Suicune
    Zapdos
    Moltres
    Articuno
    Regigigas - It's ability slow start made it non-uber
    Shaymin
    Phione
    Celebi
    Jirachi

    3. Why To Not Ban Legends that AREN'T Uber

    Their basically just as powerful as the pokemon used now. That's why. So basically, all your really doing is banning something that shouldn't be banned

    I'm hoping all of you understand why non-ubers shouldn't be banned

    4. The Pokemon That Are as strong as non-uber legends

    The following list are as strong as regular legends:

    Slowbro - Awesome tank
    Gengar - Awesome special sweeper
    Weezing - Hazer
    Starmie - Awesome choice specer
    Gyarados - Slightly stronger than legends
    Aerodactyl - One of the best physical sweepers
    Dragonite - Very strong
    Heracross - Powerful physical sweeper
    Skarmory - same as donphan
    Donphan - Extremely strong defenses
    Blissey - The best special wall in the game - potential to be an uber
    Swampert - Strong attacker/absorbes hits
    Breloom - Strong attacker and can spore punch
    Salamence - Slightly stronger than a legend
    Metagross - Very strong after an agility
    Infernape - Physical sweeper
    Bronzong - Powerful wall
    Garchomp - Slightly stronger than a legend
    Lucario - Very strong mixed attacker
    Hippowdon - Defenses are massive
    Weavile - AN EXTREMELY STRONG starter for your team
    Magnezone - Strong magnet using attacker
    Rhyperior - Has the potential to become uber as well
    Tangrowth - Physical tank as strong as cresselia
    Electivire - Strong attacker
    Togekiss - A strong special attacker
    Gliscor - A physical tank similar to cresselia
    Porygon-Z - As powerful as azelf basically
    Dusknoir - A massively powerful tank
    Tyranitar - Has the potential to actually become uber

    Ask questions if you wish.
     
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    Nicely said. Although I think this belongs in Wireless Battling, since thats where most of the bans are.
     
    I agree, thanks for clearing this up for me I didnt realise that all lengendaries werent uber o.O
     
    nah just get a mod to move it

    I agree with this, I hope you change this, thanks.
     
    Hoshiko said:
    You want to know why ubers and legendaries are banned and stuff? It's because n00bs have abused their prevlidges to use them. A percentage of legendaries are hacked, and if you're saying legendaries should be allowed, then that's saying hacked legies should be, too.

    Just saying, as more and more n00bs will abuse the allowing of legendaries. And I don't think this will be lifted, as if it is, it'll cause more and more complaints about other people using legendaries unfairly and stuff like that.

    Hate to say it. Althought your explanation was nicely said, I'm afraid it probably won't be done in fear that n00bs will abuse that privilidge.
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    You have to quit saying noobs. Non-Uber legends such as Azelf are powerful. Not about hacked pokemon. Hacked pokemon are banned anyway. So why even mention that? If you care to see the power of non-uber legends, I CAN battle you. Just because one uses a non-uber legend does not mean their are a noob.
     
    They make us take down a tier list but they let you post this?

    Legendaries are crutches, there for people who do not know how to play have a flase sense of security.

    Anyone who can't EV train a team, will use legendaries.
     
    Hoshiko said:
    I can say noobs. Want to know why? Because I'm frustrated with the many of them that hack. Lifting this will only increase the chances of hacked legendaries getting in.

    Personally, for myself, if you're using a full legendary team, it just means that you're probably too lazy to raise an actual team yourself. Legendaries are way too overpowered by nature, and they can easily own any pokemon that comes their way.

    Hence, to make things fair, legies were banned. Don't want flame wars. Don't want complaints about them. "OMG HE OR SHE H4CKED !! ITS NOT FAIR *cries* "

    One of the most many things that go through people's minds, don't you think?

    Plus, I didn't say every legendary user was a noob. Stop putting words in my mouth.
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    I just explained how legends are as powerful as the regular pokemon used today, and yet you still say that their THAT strong. I'm telling you that ubers are only that strong, not legends that are non-uber. And no body uses a all team of legends, except for serious noobs. BUT i'm telling you, only uber legends can cause THAT MUCH DAMAGE. Regular legends are as strong as things like Salamence and Garchomp.
     
    MKDS_PoKE said:
    You have to quit saying noobs. Non-Uber legends such as Azelf are powerful. Not about hacked pokemon. Hacked pokemon are banned anyway. So why even mention that? If you care to see the power of non-uber legends, I CAN battle you. Just because one uses a non-uber legend does not mean their are a noob.
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    I think he means people that use and entire team of Mewtwos, Rayquazas, and Palikas. When they're exceptionally high stats, even without proper training, they can take down almost any team.

    I think that they're should be some sort of area for players that love to just use Legendaries and the people that don't, like a "Legendary Mode" on Wi-Fi. And as long as people understand the two tiers, then everything can run a little smoother.
     
    @ Hoshiko

    The following list are as strong as regular legends:

    Slowbro - Awesome tank
    Gengar - Awesome special sweeper
    Weezing - Hazer
    Starmie - Awesome choice specer
    Gyarados - Slightly stronger than legends
    Aerodactyl - One of the best physical sweepers
    Dragonite - Very strong
    Heracross - Powerful physical sweeper
    Skarmory - same as donphan
    Donphan - Extremely strong defenses
    Blissey - The best special wall in the game - potential to be an uber
    Swampert - Strong attacker/absorbes hits
    Breloom - Strong attacker and can spore punch
    Salamence - Slightly stronger than a legend
    Metagross - Very strong after an agility
    Infernape - Physical sweeper
    Bronzong - Powerful wall
    Garchomp - Slightly stronger than a legend
    Lucario - Very strong mixed attacker
    Hippowdon - Defenses are massive
    Weavile - AN EXTREMELY STRONG starter for your team
    Magnezone - Strong magnet using attacker
    Rhyperior - Has the potential to become uber as well
    Tangrowth - Physical tank as strong as cresselia
    Electivire - Strong attacker
    Togekiss - A strong special attacker
    Gliscor - A physical tank similar to cresselia
    Porygon-Z - As powerful as azelf basically
    Dusknoir - A massively powerful tank
    Tyranitar - Has the potential to actually become uber

    So really what your saying is that all of these pokemon are what noobs use.
     
    Uhm, no.

    They have on stat that is good, not all of them like Oobies.

    Why does Nintendo ban them from official tourneys if they're not good?

    Why does my little brother, who has no idea how to play pokemon, only use Rayquaza?

    It's because they're remarkably better than most.
    When their base stats exceed 500, that's when the hilarity ends.
     
    Hoshiko said:
    Don't put words in my mouth. I did not say that.

    By saying that legends are for noobs, and all these pokemon's power is equivilent to that of a legend, that IS what your saying

    And you're just proving yourself wrong. Every pokemon is strong in their own catagory. Blissey is not as strong as Groudon, or Rayquaza. You need to elaborate on what you mean by regular legends. Any good EV trained attack pokemon can easily OHKO Blissey with that ungodly defense.

    i'm not proving myself wrong. I've been a competitive battler for a while now. People like me and aragornbird should know stuff like this. Blissey can wall things such as special rayquaza, dialga, palkia, kyogre, and almost every special sweeper in the game. And lol, only physical sweepers can take down bliss like that.

    So you're just proving yourself wrong by stating pokemon who are good at their own catagory. Skarmory is for defense, not for attack, like Rayquaza, and such.

    Stop brining up ubers. I'm talking about non-ubers here.

    So again, you proved yourself wrong. Only EV trained, with an exception of some, may actually become strong or equal to legendaries.
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    EV Trained pokemon are used by me of course. Every single pokemon on that list (the list that shows all pokemon equilvilent to non-uber legends) I have and raised with good IV's, EV's, and standard set.


    If you really want a battle. Then let's go. Right here, right now.
     
    You serious?

    Pshh, you couldn't even lay a scratch on Hoshiko, not to mention this is the totally wrong forum.

    Plus if you are gonna use legendaries, he won't even want to waste the time.

    Legendaries are for losers, losers are for legendaries.
     
    I see now why many people think PC have noob battlers. They don't seem to get the point. First up, Hoshiko, every pokemon on that list does not have sucky base stats and are not easily KO'd. That actually was the list of OU (or standard) pokemon. You should really catch up on competitive battling.

    And syther, if you guys don't understand the statement i have just explained, then I don't really care.
     
    Then don't post useless n00b threads like this.

    Legendaries won't be unbanned because you want strong pokemon. Simple as that.
     
    I'm just trying to help the community understand the difference between ubers and non-uber legends. If you can't accept the fact that non-uber legends are the same as other pokemon, then that's your opinion. But to the more advanced battler, it's the other way around.
     
    You are kidding. I know you are.

    Advanced battlers don't use crutches. And I don't see how this would change that.
     
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