kyurem black op?

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    hi so i saw this kyu-b + tini core on smorgen and i thought it was cool so i decided to build a team with that.

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    Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb
    Ability: Teravolt
    EVs: 56 Atk / 252 SpA / 200 Spe
    Mild Nature
    - Ice Beam
    - Earth Power
    - Fusion Bolt
    - Roost

    standard hard hitting set. cool mon with cool coverage and rekts unprepared stuff ez, tho kinda slow.

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    Victini @ Choice Band
    Ability: Victory Star
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - V-create
    - Bolt Strike
    - Zen Headbutt
    - U-turn

    another hard hitter hnnngggg, breaks kyu-b's checks and counters like chansey, clefable, etc. checks fairies too!

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    Slowbro @ Slowbronite
    Ability: Regenerator
    EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SpD
    Bold Nature
    - Calm Mind
    - Scald
    - Psyshock
    - Slack Off

    general wincon and stuff, i forgot why i added this bitch but idk beats keldeo i guess? eats physical hits better than your mum and scald burns op.

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    Amoonguss @ Black Sludge
    Ability: Regenerator
    EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 SpD
    Calm Nature
    - Spore
    - Giga Drain
    - Foul Play
    - Sludge Bomb

    i forgot why i added this too lol, i think it was to check mega diancie and gengar but lol what eats stuff from gengar anyway. the evs are inefficient to check sludge wave but too lazy to edit and shit. secondary fairy check.

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    Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
    Ability: Rough Skin
    EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 92 Spe
    Impish Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Tail
    - Fire Blast

    mah defensive stealth rocker, helps me rack up damage from noob physical mons yea.

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    Latias (F) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 72 HP / 184 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Draco Meteor
    - Psyshock
    - Defog
    - Healing Wish

    generic defogger blablabla

    been p successful with this on ladder, but hnngg pidgeot ptsd from anti!
     
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    ok so this needs a dragon switch-in. latios gets a free kill every time it comes in, and since lati@s combined are the most common pokemon in the metagame, this is a pretty big problem.

    the team is also rather slow. slowbro and amoonguss provide bulk against faster mons and scarfers, but if they get worn down (esp. slowbro if it gets forced to mevo by something like a dd zardx), then even something like scarfchomp is going to be a major threat as an endgame wincon.

    sticking to victini/cube as those were the mons you outlined, i find it off that you don't *really* have a sweeper that takes advantage of the holes they break in opposing defensive cores. slowbro kinda does but i'm not sure it's the *best* fit.

    have to go get lunch but to give a tl;dr of the fixes i will suggest upon my return:

    - more aggressive sweeper in place of slowbro; m gyara, diancie, meta, scizor, etc. all very good options. one with a bit more initial speed might be nice.
    - modifying the defensive core (making the chomp/lati slots more efficient so it isn't compounding weaknesses)
    - retaining hazard control for vict and cube and your own sr while making these changes

    anyway yeah the gaping hole i really see is the weak to latis which is pretty big but if you patch that up the team will be more consistent, sorry for the quick/rushed rate will improve it later. remind me if i forget.
     
    Anti said:
    - more aggressive sweeper in place of slowbro; m gyara, diancie, meta, scizor, etc. all very good options. one with a bit more initial speed might be nice.
    - modifying the defensive core (making the chomp/lati slots more efficient so it isn't compounding weaknesses.
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    im thinking of going with mega metagross cos why not? solid switchin to lati too with pursuit and stuff. mega diancie, gardevoir and altaria all seem cool too imo.

    also i dont really get the 'efficient chomp/lati' slots thingy, so i should change either one so that there wont be compounding weaknesses? if so, would starmie be a good choice over latias cos rapid spins and shit, and could go with an offensive or defensive set too.
     
    Sorry for the late reply.

    revere said:
    im thinking of going with mega metagross cos why not? solid switchin to lati too with pursuit and stuff. mega diancie, gardevoir and altaria all seem cool too imo.

    also i dont really get the 'efficient chomp/lati' slots thingy, so i should change either one so that there wont be compounding weaknesses? if so, would starmie be a good choice over latias cos rapid spins and muk, and could go with an offensive or defensive set too.
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    The note about efficient slots is just that in ORAS, defensive synergy is very important because of the variety of threats you have to prepare for (not just in number but in how differently they function and how specific their checks can be), and while you'll inevitably be weak to some things, you want to minimize this as much as possible. Running three Dragon-types is inefficient because they are compounding weakness (and you don't have a standard HO backbone like a Scarfer or PranksterWave Pokemon to really help with that), so making those slots efficient means making sure there isn't an overlap in defensive synergy. Cube, Lati, and Chomp each check some specific things, but on the whole one of those slots would be more efficient with something else.

    Mega Metagross is a nice choice over Mega Slowbro, though you'll want to have something for Excadrill. Looking back on it now, I think Amoonguss is more the odd man out than Slowbro (though I think Slowbro is replaceable): it's a complete momentum killer, and you can fit a Dragon/Fairy check into one slot. You might as well be running something like Bronzong, though I think you'd be better served running something more aggressive.

    Just to give specific advice instead of a jumble of "you could..."s, I would look to replace Amoonguss and Garchomp. In replacing them, you lose a Fairy check (though Victini helps with this somewhat), your Bisharp check, and Stealth Rock. This means that in these two slots, you'll want Stealth Rock, a Bisharp check, a Latis counter/hard check, and preferably some support for Victini against Fairies. Also, having something that is actually pretty fast would probably help. So why not try:

    Clefable @ Leftovers
    Ability: Magic Guard
    EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 SpD
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Moonblast
    - Stealth Rock
    - Flamethrower
    - Soft-Boiled

    This gives you a nice Thundurus check on top of proving you Stealth Rock and a decently reliable stop to Lati@s. (It can get in trouble if weakened, but you can play around them some with Slowbro's Regenerator.) It also gives you some extra coverage against Mega Altaria, though you're still a bit weak to Fairies overall. It also gives you some status absorption.

    The problem with this last slot is that Bisharp and Mega Diancie have very different checks lol. Gliscor might be a cool Pokemon to let you check Bisharp and choiced Volt Switches, but it might be too lacking in immediate power. I will try to come up with a more concrete suggestion, which could change some if you end up replacing Slowbro. (Then I would definitely think about Gliscor.) I would definitely prioritize beating Bisharp, but Slowbro alone is an iffy check to Diancie, to say the least. (This is where your lack of Speed hurts you - you can't RK even the non-RP ones, which limits your in-game flexibility.) Scarf Terrakion is an okay fit.

    One poke that might be helpful if ScarfTar, especially if you aren't digging Clefable. It can Pursuit the Latis, RK Bisharp, provide the fakest Zard check ever, and provide a liiittle bit of Speed.
     
    This isn't really a rate but I made some edits to the team because I liked it a lot.

    https://pastebin.com/Fjbh05hp

    The original core is still pretty cool though, I agree completely on what anti said about having a fast sweeper and getting rid of amoongus. I'd play around with Pokemon like LO Tornadus-T, Defog Empoleon, Clefable, Alakazam, Starmie. Maybe Kyurem-B/Victini/Starmie/LO-Tornadus then maybe Hippowdon over Garchomp and Mega Metagross
     
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    have made the following changes. i feel like metagross's fourth slot could be something better but eh idk, have also changed victini's zen headbutt to brick break to smack le ttar and heatran (zen headbutt hits like idk mega altaria lol takes only 55% before roost :p )
     
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