Let's Try This One Again...

[Ashes]

Alright, this time I put much more time and thought[as well as consideration towards what was said in the last thread, which was locked due to my incompetence...] into this horrendous jumble of Pokemon. All of them have movesets at this point, although I'm still unsure of items and natures on most, as well as EV spreads. So, any help on this is appreciated.

I planned on Weezing and Magnezone being my walls, with Magikarp being a wasted pokemon slot that the Bug-Type Arceus would make up for[as a Special Sweeper, itself] along with Tyranitar. Smeargle I originally had no idea what to do with, until a friend of mine told me to try Baton Passing a Dragon Dance to Tyranitar, so I figured I'd try that and see what you guys thought as well.

No, this team isn't made yet, so don't call me on using Arceus.

No, I cannot change any of these Pokemon species. Arceus and Magikarp stay.

No, this is not for a competitive battle, but for fun ones against my friends.



If you're still reading[or skip intros and go straight to the sets and such], then I'd like to thank you. Here we go[Alphabetical Order, not Leading Order]:

@ Insect Plate, Multitype
Modest, 6 HP, 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed
Judgment
Focus Blast
Earth Power
Ice Beam/Flamethrower

Special Sweeper, making up for how much of a wasted Pokemon slot Magikarp is. Pretty self-explanatory, I feel. Ask if you feel you're missing something.

@ Focus Sash, Swift Swim
Adamant, 6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spd
Splash
Tackle
Flail
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Magikarp will most likely only last one turn anyways, so it's EV spread really doesn't matter outside of 252 Atk and Adamant Nature to get the most from Flail on its first turn. I'm assuming it to go 2nd in most instances, although with a base Speed of 80 and 252 in Speed, I'd laugh pretty hard if I could get 2 Flails in before it dies.

@ Leftovers / Shuca Berry, Magnet Pull
Relaxed, 252 HP, 138 Def, 120 SpDef
Gyro Ball
Thunder Wave
Explosion
Thunderbolt

This is the set that was posted in my last thread, and it looked good to me. No item was listed, so I thought Leftovers[since, well...it's a wall] or Shuca Berry, which weakens a Supereffective Ground move for those silly Earthquakes I'm bound to get hit with[which, in restrospect, I should just switch to Weezing on. But whatever.].

@ Focus Sash, Own Tempo
???, ???, ???, 252 Spd
Baton Pass
Dragon Dance
Spore
???

Smeargle is the only Pokemon I still can't think of a full set for, since...well...it can learn any move. I originally considered a FEAR set, but then figured that a FEAR set would simply make 2 of my Pokemon wasted slots, with one potentially taking an opponent's Pokemon with it. I talked to a friend of mine and he told me to Baton Pass to Tyranitar, and we discussed what would be worthwhile passing, until we hit Dragon Dance. As for his other 2 moves, EV spread, Nature...and even the item and Ability, I'm really unsure. I figured Own Tempo with a Focus Sash because 1) He's really just going to Pass, as far as I can see, and 2) Because of his mediocre defenses, Focus Sash seemed to be a necessity to me. 252 EVs to Speed simply to give him a higher shot at Passing, I figured.

@ Leftovers, Sand Stream
Quiet, 252 HP, 188 SpAtk, 68 Spd
Substitute
Focus Punch
Dark Pulse
Ice Beam

Again, was told in previous thread to use the boah set for TTar. Not knowing offhand what the set was, I searched here and was linked to Smogon, where I took this set. So...Yeah. Regular boah set, I guess.

@ Leftovers, Levitate
Bold, 252 HP, 240 Def, 16 SpAtk
Flamethrower
Haze
Pain Split
Will-O-Wisp

This set was posted in the last thread, and 2+ people said it was a good set and I should use it. I agree with that statement, and figured regardless of my own set I'd be inched towards this one anyways, so, there it is. I prefer the Flamethrower to Thunderbolt because of Magnezone having Thunderbolt, but whatever, personal preference I guess.



Whether you read that awful wall of text or not, I'd like to thank whoever helps out in advance, and apologize for my ignorance in the first thread where I posted the same thing[but a little more empty].

 

[Darkblade]

You don't need the smeargle, t-tar can already learn DD, and get rid of the Magikarp it has no purpose

 

[Ashes]

You don't need the smeargle, t-tar can already learn DD, and get rid of the Magikarp it has no purpose

First I'd like to just thank you for posting, since everyone else who's viewed this thread hasn't posted, probably just seeing Magikarp and leaving. So, thanks.

Second,

No, I cannot change any of these Pokemon species. Arceus and Magikarp stay.

No, this is not for a competitive battle, but for fun ones against my friends.

I understand what you're saying with the TTar, but with having Smeargle as a Passer gives it an objective rather than wasting a slot with a FEAR set. At least that's how I see it. Smeargle could also pass off to Arceus, if I saw fit to do so. I could also just change whatever Smeargle is passing from DDance to something else. I just don't know what to do with the Smeargle, which is mainly what I'm asking for help on.

 

[El Gofre]

if the magicarp is there to flail yor'e better off going with something like seaking

 

[Waker of Chaos]

I'd give Smeargle an attack for the last slot, because if it ends up your last Pokémon, you're screwed.

Smeargle @ Leftovers, Own Tempo
Bold, 252 Speed, 86 HP, 86 Defense, 86 Special Defense (the 86s can be altered as you see fit)
Spore
Baton Pass
Double-Edge
Dragon Dance

 

[Anti]

if the magicarp is there to flail yor'e better off going with something like seaking

Seaking sucks too. the way I see it, if you're gonna use terrible suck-ish pokemon, then suck in style. ALL HAIL MAGIKARP!!!!

Gyro ball sucks on magnezone. Run HP ice or flash cannon.

 

[Azonic]

Anti-Pop is right. Gyro Ball is a physical move, and after seeing Magnezone's Attack stat, I advise you to use HP Ice.

 

[Ashes]

I'd give Smeargle an attack for the last slot, because if it ends up your last Pokémon, you're screwed.

Smeargle @ Leftovers, Own Tempo
Bold, 252 Speed, 86 HP, 86 Defense, 86 Special Defense (the 86s can be altered as you see fit)
Spore
Baton Pass
Double-Edge
Dragon Dance

I was actually considering Substitute as being it's last move, and giving it 252 HP EVs for the higher Sub. Still unsure, though. I'll consider it, thanks.

Seaking sucks too. the way I see it, if you're gonna use terrible suck-ish pokemon, then suck in style. ALL HAIL MAGIKARP!!!!

Gyro ball sucks on magnezone. Run HP ice or flash cannon.

Doesn't matter on Seaking or Magikarp, since, as I stated multiple times, the Species of Pokemon are non-negotiable. As for the Gyro Ball Replacement, I'll prob. go Flash Cannon since HPs are a pain to breed.

 

[Iceman3k]

If you really want this team to be novelty-like, use PIE ;)

 

[shining-Celebi]

Wouldn't Custap Berry on Smeargle work better than Focus Sash?(Unless there's a pokemon with insomnia or holding lum/chesto berry)
Smeargle@Custap Berry
1st)Spore
2nd)DDance
3rd)Baton pass
I don't know if Smeargle can survive 3 turns,though ._.;

 

[sims796]

It can't even survive one.

 

[Iceman3k]

Wouldn't Custap Berry on Smeargle work better than Focus Sash?(Unless there's a pokemon with insomnia or holding lum/chesto berry)
Smeargle@Custap Berry
1st)Spore
2nd)DDance
3rd)Baton pass
I don't know if Smeargle can survive 3 turns,though ._.;

With like 30 base in both defenses, it's not even going to live off of a Totodile's Waterfall Attack =/
And also, I think we both know Custap Berry is unobtainable :p
(Well so is Arceus, that pretty much solidifies my point as well)

 

[Angelic Diablo]

Why use Boah when you already have a special sweeper, and if your passing DDs to him, it's the perfect opportunity to go for a CBTar (or if you don't like getting locked into one move then don't use the CB)

Tyranitar@Choice Band (or random item)
Adament Nature
EVs: 212 Atk, 164 HP, 96 Spd, 38 Sp Def
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake
-Crunch/Pursuit
-Avalanche/Ice Fang/Focus Punch

 

[LethalTexture]

For a special Arceus, here's a suggestion:

Arceus @ Bug Plate
Any +Sp. Atk nature, (except -Speed, the name slips my mind =/)
EVs: 252 Ap. Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP

Calm Mind
Judgment (Bug)
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse

 

[Ashes]

If you really want this team to be novelty-like, use PIE ;)

I want it to be the best it can be, which is why I'm requesting help on it.

Wouldn't Custap Berry on Smeargle work better than Focus Sash?(Unless there's a pokemon with insomnia or holding lum/chesto berry)
Smeargle@Custap Berry
1st)Spore
2nd)DDance
3rd)Baton pass
I don't know if Smeargle can survive 3 turns,though ._.;

Smeargle is lucky if it can survive 1 without a Focus Sash. X_X

Why use Boah when you already have a special sweeper, and if your passing DDs to him, it's the perfect opportunity to go for a CBTar (or if you don't like getting locked into one move then don't use the CB)

Tyranitar@Choice Band (or random item)
Adament Nature
EVs: 212 Atk, 164 HP, 96 Spd, 38 Sp Def
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake
-Crunch/Pursuit
-Avalanche/Ice Fang/Focus Punch

Not a strong advocate of the Choice Items, since I'm personally not a fan of being forced to use one move. I'll consider the Set, though. Thanks.

For a special Arceus, here's a suggestion:

Arceus @ Bug Plate
Any +Sp. Atk nature, (except -Speed, the name slips my mind =/)
EVs: 252 Ap. Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP

Calm Mind
Judgment (Bug)
Earth Power
Dragon Pulse

Hmmm...A Calm Mind set could work. Thanks, I'll consider it.


Thank you guys for helping. I STILL need a lot of help on the Smeargle set, though...Since I'm not sure what to use for it's last attack, or for it's Nature / other EVs. For the Nature, I figured anything that boosts Speed would do. For the last slot I was thinking either using Substitute, or something damaging, like Waker said, in case Smeargle ends up being my final pokemon. I didn't really want the Double Edge, since if Smeargle DID end up being my final Pokemon, it would end up killing itself out of recoil damage[since it would go to 1 from Focus Sash, since Smeargle can't take a hit]. I had some epiphany of a move to use earlier, I can't remember it now.

tl;dr, Speed Boosting Nature + Sub / Damaging Move[w/252Atk/SAtk] on Smeargle ?


Thanks again for the help guys.