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Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of This Team!

CardsOfTheHeart

We fight with our heart!
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    i may be new to the big-time pokemon scene and advanced concepts such as EVs, but i believe i've finally learned enough to construct a good team.

    as soon as i beat the elite four and fix the network machine in FR/LG, i'm thinking about making this team. what do you think of it?

    Hariyama (M) @ Brightpowder
    Ability: Guts
    EVs: 252 Hp / 252 Atk / 6 Def
    Adamant (+Atk, -Sp. Atk) or Brave (+Atk, -Spd) nature
    Substitute
    Focus Punch (I LOVE 150+STAB!)
    Facade
    Foresight
    Hariyama would like to say a few words. Go ahead.
    "PLEASE T-WAVE ME!!!!!"

    Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 Hp / 252 Sp. Atk / 6 Sp. Def
    Quiet (+Sp. Atk, -Spd) or Modest (+Sp. Atk, -Atk) nature
    Substitute
    Seismic Toss
    Ice Beam
    Softboiled

    Alakazam (M) @ Choice Band
    Ability: Synchronize
    EVs: 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
    Modest (+Sp. Atk, -Atk) nature
    Psychic
    Fire Punch
    Ice Punch
    HP Dark
    i may need to tweak the move set on this one.

    Salamence (M) @ King's Rock
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
    Adamant (+Atk, -Sp. Atk) nature
    Dragon Dance
    Earthquake
    Rock Slide
    HP Flying
    the moves may need work here, too.

    Cradily (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Suction Cups
    EVs: 252 Def / 252 Sp. Def / 6 Hp
    Bold (+Def, -Atk) nature
    Toxic
    Confuse Ray
    Ingrain
    Giga Drain

    Milotic (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Marvel Scale
    EVs: 252 Hp / 252 Sp. Atk / 6 Spd
    Modest (+Sp. Atk, -Atk) nature
    Surf
    Confuse Ray
    Dragonbreath
    Recover

    note: and don't suggest any legendaries! got that?
     
    I suck at Hariyama.

    Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Serene Grace <-- Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 Hp / 252 Sp. Atk / 6 Sp. Def <-- Sp. Atk??? No. 252 Def. rest split between HP and Sp. Def
    Quiet (+Sp. Atk, -Spd) or Modest (+Sp. Atk, -Atk) nature<--defensive nature
    Substitute
    Seismic Toss
    Ice Beam <-- Thunder Wave
    Softboiled

    Salamence (M) @ King's Rock <-- hax Items suck. Leftovers or Lum Berry
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
    Adamant (+Atk, -Sp. Atk) nature <-- Jolly Mence is sexyier, but ok.
    Dragon Dance <--Keep this or replace with Flamethrower for skarms
    Earthquake
    Rock Slide
    HP Flying <-- Aerial Ace

    I suck with the pokemon I didnt cover, 4 of the 6 xD
    But yeah.
     
    choice band on a trickless alakazam?
    Alakazam[timid]@leftovers
    EVs - 252 Sp,252 SpAtt,6hp
    psychic
    fire punch
    thunderpunch/ice punch
    calm mind

    Cradily[+SpDef,-SpAtt/-Sp]@leftovers
    Evs - 252 hp,around 200 SpDef and the rest in Att
    earthquake
    rockslide/giga drain
    toxic
    recover

    giga drain is just to have fun with swampert..


    Salamence[jolly]@choice band
    EVs - 252 Sp,252 Att,6 hp
    fire blast/brick break
    earthquake
    HP flying
    rockslide



    Milotic[bold]@leftovers
    EVs - 160 hp,max def,rest in SpAtt and SpDef
    ice beam
    surf
    hypnosis
    recover


    Check the moveset and EV sticky at the top of the page for all standard blissey movesets.

    Hariyama[adamant]@leftovers
    EVs - lots of SpDef and Hp,rest in Att
    cross chop/focus punch
    substitute
    rockslide/HP ghost
    knock off

    whirlwind and counter are fun also.
     
    I don't think you'd have enough time to Calm Mind the Alakazam, because one EQ is a KO. Maybe you should just have this:

    Alakazam@leftovers
    Nature - [Modest (+Sp.Attack, -Attack)] OR [Timid (+Speed, -Attack)]
    Timid preferred.
    EVs - Speed - 252, Sp.Attack 252, HP 6

    Psychic
    Fire punch
    Ice Punch
    Thunder Punch
     
    That's a smart way of using it, but most people just attack it, because of it's low defense.
     
    SRV said:
    That's a smart way of using it, but most people just attack it, because of it's low defense.
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    POKEMON KILLS POKEMON WITH MOVE.

    SOMETIMES, POKEMON CANNOT KILL POKEMON WITH MOVE.

    POKEMON SWITCHES OUT SO NEW POKEMON KILLS POKEMON WITH MOVE.

    ALAKAZAM TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THIS AND USES CALM MIND. CALM MIND MAKES KILLING POKEMON WITH MOVE MORE KILLEY.

    there, simple explination.
     
    hariyama wants to be t-waved so bad so gengar decides to screw him over.

    *hariyama forgets Facade & Foresight and learns HP Ghost & Knock Off.

    i don't see why so many people want to pump defense EVs into blissey. its Def can only go up to 130 even in the most favorable conditions.

    *alakazam becomes timid, forgets HP Dark, and learns Trick. not my style, but 'wynaut'?

    *salamence becomes a lefty.

    just look at cradily. it loves being an annoying little tank. do you want to deny her that love?

    'shocked and confused, the poke doesn't know what hit him after a big wave crashes down on him. but life will go on without him, i suppose.'
    -Milotic
     
    i don't see why so many people want to pump defense EVs into blissey. its Def can only go up to 130 even in the most favorable conditions.
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    That is exactly why. You need that defence. Bliss is a great Special wall, however she needs to be able to withstand physical attacks too. Hence the Defence EV's. ??
     
    with no defense EVs or nature, Salamence OHKOes Blissey with Brick Break. this assumes no Dragon Dances or Choice Band.

    with Max Defense EVs and Nature, Bliss survives the Brick Break at about 50% HP. leftovers make this attempt to KO Bliss a 3HKO, barring max damage twice or a Critical hit. this also was made without DD or CB.

    A max Sp.atk/Natured Alakazam Psychic(no CM boost) does 20% average to a EV/natureless Bliss. maxing Sp.def reduces that number by a WHOLE FIVE PERCENT. Alakazam Psychic is one of the stronger Sp.attacks out there.

    these numbers are with max Attack and Sp.atk on Salamence's and Zam's part. the Bliss has the standard 704 HP.

    as you can see, Defense is FAR more significant
     
    PikaPika! said:
    i may be new to the big-time pokemon scene and advanced concepts such as EVs, but i believe i've finally learned enough to construct a good team.

    as soon as i beat the elite four and fix the network machine in FR/LG, i'm thinking about making this team. what do you think of it?

    Hariyama (M) @ Brightpowder
    Ability: Guts
    EVs: 252 Hp / 252 Atk / 6 Def
    Adamant (+Atk, -Sp. Atk) or Brave (+Atk, -Spd) nature
    Substitute
    Focus Punch (I LOVE 150+STAB!)
    Facade
    Foresight
    Hariyama would like to say a few words. Go ahead.
    "PLEASE T-WAVE ME!!!!!"

    substitute, cross chop, bulk up, hp ghost/rock slide. leftovers. imo it doesn't need any hp because it will make 101 hp subs anyway. maybe max attack, give it some speed and rest in sdef

    Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 Hp / 252 Sp. Atk / 6 Sp. Def
    Quiet (+Sp. Atk, -Spd) or Modest (+Sp. Atk, -Atk) nature
    Substitute
    Seismic Toss
    Ice Beam
    Softboiled

    212 hp/252 def/44 sdef, bold nature, serene grace. t-wave>ice beam, aromatherapy>substitute

    Alakazam (M) @ Choice Band
    Ability: Synchronize
    EVs: 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
    Modest (+Sp. Atk, -Atk) nature
    Psychic
    Fire Punch
    Ice Punch
    HP Dark
    i may need to tweak the move set on this one.

    choice band only works on physical attacks -_-; calm mind>hp dark, recover>fire/ice punch. give it lum berry

    Salamence (M) @ King's Rock
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
    Adamant (+Atk, -Sp. Atk) nature
    Dragon Dance
    Earthquake
    Rock Slide
    HP Flying
    the moves may need work here, too.

    aerial ace if the hp flying power is like 64 or less. leftovers/lum

    Cradily (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Suction Cups
    EVs: 252 Def / 252 Sp. Def / 6 Hp
    Bold (+Def, -Atk) nature
    Toxic
    Confuse Ray
    Ingrain
    Giga Drain

    earthquake, rock slide, toxic, recover. impish imo

    Milotic (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Marvel Scale
    EVs: 252 Hp / 252 Sp. Atk / 6 Spd
    Modest (+Sp. Atk, -Atk) nature
    Surf
    Confuse Ray
    Dragonbreath
    Recover

    surf, ice beam, hypnosis, recover. bold nature. like 200 hp/252 def/rest in sdef or satk

    note: and don't suggest any legendaries! got that?
    Click to expand...
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    hmm... i guess i've still got statistics work to do. grrr...

    anyway, i'll just post my revised team right here since i've made so many changes. ignore my previous posts.

    changes in bold

    Hariyama (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Guts
    EVs: 252 Atk / 100 Spd / 158 Sp. Def (go ahead. say it. they're f***ed up, aren't they?)
    Adamant (+Atk, -Sp. Atk) nature
    Substitute
    Focus Punch (I LOVE 150+STAB!)
    HP Ghost
    Bulk Up

    Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EVs: 212 Hp / 252 Def / 46 Sp. Def
    Bold (+Def, -Atk) nature
    Aromatherapy
    Seismic Toss
    Thunder Wave
    Softboiled
    i SO hate standards...

    Alakazam (M) @ Choice Band
    Ability: Synchronize
    EVs: 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Hp (EDIT)
    Timid (+Spd, -Atk) nature (EDIT)
    Psychic
    Fire Punch
    Calm Mind
    Trick

    Salamence (M) @ Lum Berry
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
    Adamant (+Atk, -Sp. Atk) nature
    Dragon Dance
    Earthquake
    Fire Blast (EDIT)
    HP Flying / Aerial Ace if necessary

    Cradily (F) @ Leftovers (EDIT: may get rid of this one altogether; looking for another tank...)
    Ability: Suction Cups
    EVs: 252 Def / 252 Sp. Def / 6 Hp OR 164 Def / 200 Sp. Def / 146 Hp (i'm not sure)
    Bold (+Def, -Atk) nature
    Toxic
    Confuse Ray
    Ingrain
    Giga Drain
    just let her be annoying. she likes being annoying.

    Milotic (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Marvel Scale
    EVs: 202 Hp / 252 Def / 56 Sp. Def
    Bold (+Def, -Atk) nature
    Surf
    Hypnosis (EDIT; like i said, i SO hate standards...)
    Ice Beam
    Recover
     
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    Hypnosis has a 60% chance of 100% prevention of attacking, and it stays after switch. the fact that one of thier pokemon is inmobile is a major asset.

    Confuse Ray is more luck based, and doesn't work well on the Thunderbolts that are going to fly at it, thanks to use of Modest/Timid on most, if not all, electric types, and is cured on a switch.
     
    Cradily should really change...
    anyway..Alakazam should still Keep the same 252/252/6 in SpAtt/Sp/hp as before with a timid nature.Actually, u can also bring ur Sp into the 355 range and add the rest of the EVs into hp.Anyone can work fine.Recover is a possibility over Fire punch or CM.As is substitute.

    Hariyama should drop some Att EVs into either more SpDef or hp.

    Hypnosis is great on milotic, cuz it can take hits until hypnosis hits.Alternatively i'll take toxic instead of confuse ray.


    Fireblast over rockslide on that salamence and keep HP flying.
     
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