macro monarch

[jakex]

Monsters:

jain lightsworn palidan x2
golden homuculous
cauis the shadow monarch x3
zaborg the thunder monarch
jinzo
bazoo the soul eater x2
gren maju da eiza
d.d scout plane
exiled force x2
thestalos the firestorm monarch
d.d survivor x2
banisher of radiance x2
needle worm
breaker the magical warrior
d.d warior lady
mobius the frost monarch
cyber dragon
raiza the storm monarch

spell:
dimensianal fissure x3
card destruction
lightning vortex
d.d.r- different dimension reincarnation
nobleman of crossout
inferno tempest
monster reborn
foolish burial
reinforcements of the army

traps:

macro cosmos x2
threatning roar
forced back
bottomless trap hole x2
return from the differet dimension


Basically i am still trying to get one more d.d survivor and 2 d.d scout planes, also i am looking for two more reinforcements and gren maju of eiza.

Plz comment and don't say need d draws mirror forces etc. If regionals was in three days, could you get them under the short notice, thx if you reply.

 

[Scarlet Weather]

I can already tell you the first changes you'll need

-2 Jain, Lightsworn Paladin (WTF?)
-2 Bazoo the Soul Eater (Contrary to popular belief, just because something has an RFP effect does not mean that it belongs in a Macro Cosmos deck)
-1 Golden Homunculus
-1 Gren Maju Da Eiza (You charge too slowly to power either card)
-1 Jinzo (WTF is a trap-negater doing in a deck where trap cards form the friggin' BACKBONE?)
-1 Needle Worm (Needless WTF?)
-1 Zaborg the Thunder Monarch
-1 Mobius the Frost Monarch (side decked)
-1 Thestalos the Firestorm Monarch (side decked)

I'm gonna focus on just the monster line-up for now. I suggest...

+1 Exiled Force
+1 D.D. Survivor
+2 D.D. Scout Plane
+3 D.D. Assailant
+1 Banisher of the Radiance
+3 Prime Material Dragon

Now here we have a nice little warrior toolbox-y line up to take advantage of unlimited RoFTA, and Prime Material Dragon for the win. If you can't get Prime Material Dragon, I suggest adding a few copies of Jutte Fighter to your deck, as well as some tinned Synchros. Seriously, Jutte Fighter's a common, and Stardust Dragon has a collectable tin. Don't worry about it. If you still can't find a card to put there, I suggest adding some Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer to the mix, or perhaps a couple of Crows.

As for the spell line-up, I can see a few problems already:
-3 Dimensional Fissure
-1 Card Destruction
-1 Nobleman of Crossout
-1 Inferno Tempest
-1 Foolish Burial
-1 D.D.R

Okay, here we have our stupid spell line-up of the day. Dimensional Fissure is an okay choice, but Bestiari blows it up too easily, so our Macros will have to do. Card Destruction is also an okay choice, but we want deck space for better cards, so it gets the axe. Inferno Tempest will hurt us as badly as our opponent, so no dice for it- besides, it's too situational. Foolish Burial doesn't have a single target, so it gets cut. The same goes for D.D.R., since our Survivors and Scout Planes will come back on their own. Nobleman of Crossout goes because between our Monarchs, Exiled Force, D.D. Warrior Lady, and the Assailants, we've got plenty of removal to spare. So that's eight new spells for the deck:

+2 Reinforcement of the Army
+3 Soul Exchange
+3 Gravekeeper's Servant

I bet you're wondering about that last card. Well let me tell you, it does WONDERS for a Macro Cosmos deck. See, the card's wording requires that your opponent send a card from the top of their deck to their graveyard in order to attack. Well, guess what happens if you've got Macros Cosmos out? That's right- they can't send the card to the graveyard, so they can't attack. In other words, playing those two cards will absolutely shut down the opponent's battle phase. Reinforcement of the Army gives us access to our toolbox of warriors. Soul Exchange is standard fare, especially in a deck packing this many Monarchs.

Finally, we come to our trap line up.

-1 Forced Back
-1 RftDD
-2 Bottomless Trap Hole (side-decked)

And...

+1 Macro Cosmos
+3 Magic Drain/Dark Bribe/Solemn, if you can get it

The reason for this change is simple: This deck needs Macro Cosmos in play to work. If your opponent destroys it, you still have a chance at victory, but it's much smaller. The remaining cards are to protect your Cosmos and Gravekeeper's Servant from getting blasted by Heavy Storm, though if your opponent manages to play a DAD or gets a Gladiator Beast attack going, you're just about screwed.

As for the side-deck, I'd say the usual anti-meta fare would be nice, as well as something to throw at opponents who are savvy enough to side a copy or two of Kinetic Soldier, since he eats warriors for breakfast. Other than that, I'd suggest getting some Synchros, if you can, since they are AWESOME. Period.

 

[jakex]

thx for the reply, but let me tell you exactly what i was thinking, listen i tested out i end up drawind at least 1 foolish, reinforcements, one radiance,dimensional fissure or macro, jain, effect discards two cards from the top, the cards would get removed instead, inferno tempest was a backup plan, to summon all my cards with return from the d. dimension chaining off heavy storm the homuculus or gren is at least over 8000 and basically jinzo, and soe monarchs revivin back make the deck alot easier to attack with.

 

[Scarlet Weather]

thx for the reply, but let me tell you exactly what i was thinking, listen i tested out i end up drawind at least 1 foolish, reinforcements, one radiance,dimensional fissure or macro, jain, effect discards two cards from the top, the cards would get removed instead, inferno tempest was a backup plan, to summon all my cards with return from the d. dimension chaining off heavy storm the homuculus or gren is at least over 8000 and basically jinzo, and soe monarchs revivin back make the deck alot easier to attack with.

The problem with your strategy is that the goal of Macro Monarch is not just so self-remove cards from play. Your goal is to deny your opponent access to their graveyard, which shuts down all sorts of strategies, including DAD and Lightsworn if you can get Cosmos to survive that long, and it also runs three to six monsters who get special summoned when they get removed from play. That's six cards that serve as unkillable Monarch tribute fodder in the deck when Cosmos is out, three of them with 1800 Atk. Your strategy can't capitalize on this because Survivor's effect only activates when he's removed from the field, and aside from that your winning rush is extremely situational. Let's look at Inferno Tempest's effect, shall we?

Inferno Tempest
When you take 3000 or more Battle Damage from 1 attack, you can activate this card. Remove all monsters in each player's Deck and Graveyard from play.

So all your opponent has to do to avoid your situational rush of doom is hit you with any monster with less than 3000 attack points. Seeing as the only monster in the format that has 3000 Atk in the first place is Gladiator Beast Heraklinos, which negates your spell anyway, any game against an opponent playing a workable deck will leave your combo unable to work. The only other way that this card will ever be seeing use is if you get lucky and take a direct hit from Red Archfiend's Dragon, but somehow I doubt that you'll survive the turn if your opponent is already swinging with that thing.

Furthermore, you have two Bazoo in your original deck- a card which benefits from a large graveyard. If you're removing all your monsters from play, Bazoo won't ever get to use its effect. As for Needle Worm, it seems more like some sort of creative Lightsworn tech than an actual main deck card to me, and not great tech at that. Those cards, at the very least, must go.

And as for your "test".... who or what were you testing against? A blue-eyes white dragon deck? How did you activate inferno tempest in the first place?

 

[Alter Ego]

Umm...let's not mention Cosmos and Stardust Dragon in the context of the same deck, alright? RFG eats Stardust and prevents it from reviving. It also eats Collossal Fighter's revival/atk boost effects and Goyo Guardian's monster theft. If there's one decktype that doesn't play well with synchro right now, it's definitely Cosmos. D: The only range of really usable ones becomes Magical Android, Red Dragon Archfiend, Thought-Ruler Archfiend, and possibly theftless Goyo. Those are some pretty slim pickings, so sychros are not as good for cosmos as they are for hte rest, especially since only Goyo, Thought-Ruler and Red Dragon really lend themselves to the level combinations the deck can kick out.
This deck needs more Allure (free Scout Plane and draw power) and Cyber Valley (honestly, running free RFG fodder without milking them for draws while you're at it is a crime ><) and less Monster Reborn. I mean wut, graveyard recursion in a deck that wants to ensure that no monster ever hits the graveyard to begin with? Someone please tell me how this makes sense.

Foolish could actually be justified here, because it serves a role similar to dumping Treeborn while cosmos is out. Also wouldn't suggest a full retinue of Gravekeeper's. It's still situational and won't do you much good without a partner, so I'd say two copies is sufficient. Return also looks like a non-monarch card. Yes, it can finish, but your recursion targets will usually be lukewarm at best. The strength of cosmos lies in the immortal Survivor abuse, so you should be aiming for the bap-by-bap approach rather than trying some kind of all-ending rush. Fuu...my suggestion:


-2 Bazoo the Soul Eater
-1 Card Destruction
-1 D.D.R- Different Dimension Reincarnation
-1 Foolish Burial
-1 Forced Back
-1 Golden Homunculus
-1 Gren Maju Da Eiza
-2 Jain, Lightsworn Paladin
-1 Inferno Tempest
-1 Jinzo
-1 Lightning Vortex
-1 Mobius the Frost Monarch
-1 Monster Reborn
-1 Needle Worm
-1 Nobleman of Crossout
-1 Return From the Different Dimension
-1 Threatning Roar
-1 Zaborg the Thunder Monarch

+3 Allure of Darkness
+1 Brain Control
+1 Cyber Dragon
+3 Cyber Valley
+3 Dark Bribe
+2 D.D. Scout Plane
+1 D.D. Survivor
+1 Mystical Space Typhoon
+2 Reinforcement of the Army
+3 Solemn Judgment
+1 Torrential Tribute

Dust Tornado and Mobius come highly recommended for the side-deck, as this build would pack very little S/T removal, which could - in turn - give you trouble if your opponent has Skill Drain, Oppression or any other picks from the Little City suite of annoyance. Also, shoehorning Machine Duplication in there somewhere could probably bring some hefty payoffs, as would Enemy Controller, so you can consider whether you want those copies of bottomless or not. So yeah, basic cosmos approach this one. Allure and Cyber Valley are both capable of abusing your scout planes and - in the case of the latter - your D.D. Survivors to generate free cards for you with impunity, helping you dig up both Cosmos/Fissure and the cards you need to protect them (a full retinue of bribe and solemn). Reinforcement to fetch those all-important warriors, MST for (hopefully) obvious reasons, and Brain Control because it's dead standard monarch fodder and because removing your opponent's monster to draw for valley is fun.

Thesis already covered the cuts pretty well, but to defend some of the ones I did but he didn't: Card Destruction is axed because we only really want to remove specific cards from play (namely, survivor and scout plane); anything else we hit will just be wasted resources, so precision is preferable. Also, cutting our in-hand card count by one is not something monarch wants to do. For RFG Mill, yes, but Cosmos monarch? I'll pass. Lightning Vortex is cut partly for the same reasons and partly because it doesn't really mesh with the slow and steady approach that monarchs and survivor advocate. We have a resource of theoretically infinite survivors to handle all low-level threats and enough removal effects to drop on everything else even without Vortex. As long as Cosmos/Fissure keeps removing those threat cards from play as planned, you won't have to fear the recursion antics that would otherwise cry for more mass removal, since RFG recursion is really limited in this format and usually only amounts to the odd Return or D.D.R. D.D. Burial may also make an entrance, but that's mainly a zombie toy these days and that decktype should be crying its heart out in frustration over this matchup to begin with. Torrential Tribute for your mass removal needs, given that your central beaters are the reviving kind anyway.

...and I think that pretty much covers my suggestions.

 

[Forci Stikane]

...Umm, AE, two things:

1. Cyber Dragon is Limited right now.

2. The DD monsters (or at least Survivor) only return if removed while on the field, so how do Allure & Foolish Burial work with those?

 

[Alter Ego]

Scout Plane works on any RFG, be it from deck, hand, field or even graveyard. I was referring to that. :x

My bad on the dragon, though, must have misread the banlist. *Blonde*

 

[Forci Stikane]

My bad on the dragon, though, must have misread the banlist. *Blonde*

Same here on the other point. ...But, the Sc--wait...no, sorry, I was having another one. :P

Anyway, jakex, if you're working on a "budget" then I would go with Thesis' edit, but with one slight change: instead of Jutte Fighter as possible Prime Material Dragon replacement, go with Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer. Just hear me out for a minute: yes, the point of the deck is to use Macro and such to seal off the Graveyard already, but should those fail, you're seriously lacking anything that can remove whatever gets in there. Kycoo manages to do this as a pretty decent beatstick while at the same time blocking the DAD slip-in that Thesis admitted would kill that little lock the build has going. And, it's a common from the Dark Emperor deck, so there should be no problem picking it up.

 

[Scarlet Weather]

I dunno about Synchros not going well in Macro Cosmos. I mean, yes, the range of effects you can use is limited, but if you're using your Scout Planes and Survivors for the targets it's basically like getting a free 2000 Atk+ monster to play with.

But yeah, blonde moment with the Stardust. And I'm a brunette. 0.o

I hold to Icha's Kycoo fix. It works.

 

[jakex]

nother mind i am abut to make controll monarch any suggestions

 

[Alter Ego]

I dunno about Synchros not going well in Macro Cosmos. I mean, yes, the range of effects you can use is limited, but if you're using your Scout Planes and Survivors for the targets it's basically like getting a free 2000 Atk+ monster to play with.

Basically, yes, but you're eschewing both Stardust's and Goyo's back-breaking effects and the oh-so-loavable Collossal Fighter loop so your toolbox won't be as flexible. Kicking out Gaia Knights and Goyos is useful, yes, and another way to exploit your free tribute fodder, but that still doesn't change the fact that two of the really big ones become useless as anything but overpriced muscle and the third significantly weakened. Also, nice as they are in terms of recyclable tribute, Survivor and Scout Plane still can't form any odd levels with Jutte since you've only got 2-stars and 4-stars to work with and your monarchs would be 6-stars, while Cyber is too big for Android. Just saying. *Shrug*


And jakex? Number one suggestion would be to GTFO until you've actually decided on what you really want to do. This is the second time you've been given a bunch of advice and all you've done with it is complain and then say 'I don't wanna' do this anymore. D:'. Seriously. <<

Also, all monarch decks are control. The very way their effects work makes them control. So really, you've been given suggestions for two different kinds of monarch control already. *Rolleyes*

 

[jakex]

*rools eyes back* (sounds like jakex about to cry)"man, wh,wh,why do you have to make me feel like i have to go in the bathroom and cry man, wh,wh,why man" said jakex, in his dramatic tone.

Yeah do you think creature swap should be in a monarch, deck, i am just trying to make a simple one, like the ones before taev,and phantom of dark, duelist genesis, you know to of each monarch except thestalos and kuraz with pentens, and jinzos like that, using stratos, and prisma, and maliciouses is to much money, seriously culd a 14 year old afford all of this in 2 days?

 

[Forci Stikane]

*rools eyes back* (sounds like jakex about to cry)"man, wh,wh,why do you have to make me feel like i have to go in the bathroom and cry man, wh,wh,why man" said jakex, in his dramatic tone.

Yeah do you think creature swap should be in a monarch, deck, i am just trying to make a simple one, like the ones before taev,and phantom of dark, duelist genesis, you know to of each monarch except thestalos and kuraz with pentens, and jinzos like that, using stratos, and prisma, and maliciouses is to much money, seriously culd a 14 year old afford all of this in 2 days?

*facepalm*

*points at Thesis' original edit* You mean something like that? Because I guarantee you, every single card there with the exception of Prime Material Dragon and the Tuner/Synchros (for which I gave the suggestion of replacing with Kycoo, which is NOT an exception here) came out well before Tactical Evolution. In fact, I believe that almost every single card listed there is available as a COMMON. So, yes, I'm pretty sure a 14 year old could manage to find them all in just a couple of days. In fact, if you arrived at Regionals early, you could likely trade for them all right then and there before the first round even starts.

 

[jakex]

prime is like 10 dollars, can't get that, and plz tell me the commpns again, and furthmore what commons, yeah theaase d.d cards, but what about the d-draws, malicouses, they are like 30-60 dollars now, so make a decklist that is cheap, i already have most of the cards

 

[Scarlet Weather]

prime is like 10 dollars, can't get that, and plz tell me the commpns again, and furthmore what commons, yeah theaase d.d cards, but what about the d-draws, malicouses, they are like 30-60 dollars now, so make a decklist that is cheap, i already have most of the cards

*smacketh*

Read my decklist again, fool. No D-Draws. No Malicious. I told you to throw a bunch of specific commons that mesh very well with D.D. theme into the deck. And if you really don't like the idea of shelling out thirty bucks for a full compliment of Prime Material Dragons, I suggest that you follow Icha's advice and add three copies of Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer instead, who works well with the whole theme. By the way, you're lucky. I would spend the ten dollars on Prime Material Dragon if I actually wanted a win in regionals. However, I'm pretty sure that with those same ten dollars- the price of the average starter deck- you could buy up the individual cards needed to make my build with Kycoo and possibly have a bit left over. I built my deck specifically to be a budget build. Argh! How thankless can you get?

And Creature Swap is nice in some Monarch builds, but not really in this one. I suppose that you could target D.D. Scout Plane, but really it's almost better to just whale on your opponent with your unkillable Monarchs.

Now go and get started getting my build together, or kindly get the hell out. >.<

 

[jakex]

okay thesis your thesis is smart, i will use the deck you just have recommended, gosh, you guys are sooooo rude, i mean lmao ovr you guys arguing.

so basically i use 3 of magic drains, and what else do i side deck.

 

[Scarlet Weather]

okay thesis your thesis is smart, i will use the deck you just have recommended, gosh, you guys are sooooo rude, i mean lmao ovr you guys arguing.

so basically i use 3 of magic drains, and what else do i side deck.

lmao ovr ur inapprpriat us off gramer an speling.

AE already covered the staples of a side deck, and I'd suggest adding in one or two copies of Legendary Jujitsu Master, which is basically the Antithesis of Gladiator Beasts. Thestalos and Mobius make good side-ins when playing against specific opponents, and the spell line up AE gave might not be a good idea for inclusion there.

And we weren't arguing, just debating the nuances of children's card games. Nothing rude about that. You, on the other hand, spend all your time whining about us giving you advice and spamming the user profiles of a certain friend of mine (and yes, I saw what you did there) only to reject it ninety percent of the time and then go off and say "oh, yeah, I'm not doing that deck anymore, now tell me how to build THIS one!". It's really frustrating, and the only reason I'm still helping you is that I happen to enjoy fixing decks. Since we aren't getting paid, you have no right to razz on us after we've taken time out of our day to give you advice. I slap you with my slapping rag of doom, because you have angered me beyond reason. You, sir, are a fool. Not THE fool, simply A fool, and I'm afraid that where children's card games are concerned, there is a significant difference. >.<

 

[jakex]

Gets smack by the fool rag. "ouch that hurt" said jakex, okay, now if you are sujjesting the spamming of alter ego i did it on purpose he is just obnoxious and rude, seriously, he is a simon cowell for duel monsters, but ill tell you what was my rank, hope your advice works, you should make a forum just to fix decks, seriously, i don't need help i knew all of this i just want like 10 different opinons, i make good decks, but i wanna see f you guys can change a disaster into a spectactulor. imao cause u my friend is a uber

 

[jakex]

regionals

I instead used some speed monarch, and actually got a nitro warrior and red demon dragon, but i used your reccomendations, i won 4 against a acient gear swarm, six samurai swarm, burn, and dark removal, i loss 3 times due to telidad, he really took me out , i mean 12000 direct, when i had cards he blew them up with dad, but hey now i got shadow imprisoning mirror so dad shouldn't hurt me much anymore, wow some little 9 year old, that been collecting since he was 3 got his jinzo and light brigade stolen, and i almost got y side deck stolen good thing someone didn't keep it and turened it in. Thx thesis for good recommendations.

 

[digi-kun]

don't make a new thread for the results of a deck you've posted already please

merged with said deck thread