Mewtwo vs. Goku

[Brittany]

We haven't see metwo use his full power before, becasue otherwise there would have been a fight that actually tired him. :P Mewtwo never tired, and never got hurt. he was basically playing around, and teh reason why he got hit by mew was because his barrier was not up at the time. And he got up. Mewtwo's physcial resiliency is a lot greater than goku's. No matter what teh blast, if Goku got dug into the ground like that he would be scratched and bloody and would have a difficult time getting up. It happens every time. But Mewtwo got up in a split second, unharmed, and sounding rather amused in my opinion. mewtwo could probably Let himself take a blow from goku and get up with no physical harm. He was designe to be the worlds strongest pokemon, and there are a lot of uber powerful pokemon out there. The whole time at teh island, he kept them alive instead of killing thjem on teh spot because it wouldn't help his plan, and 4kids has a thing against killing beyond what happened to Ash.

Thats all just more speculation with no information to back it up. The only way to make this debate fair is based on what we know about each of them. Not about what we don't know.

Sure Mewtwo could be more powerful than he was in the movie, but that doesn't mean that he is.

I could just as easily say the same for Goku. He could be more powerful than he is in the television show/movies, but that doesn't mean that he really is.

And about the movie... Mewtwo is fighting a being that is mostly the same as itself... sounds to me like real effort would be required in that fight. Sure, Mewtwo didn't have his barrier up all the time... but do you even know if that is possible? As I said before, he doesn't have infinite psychic energy, so you don't know if he could pull that off.

You keep adding factors, that are unknown to either of the fighters to make this 'fight' unfair.

 

[Pogiforce-14]

I'm judging both of them fairly. Goku has been seen tired, whipped and bruised ,plus ther have been times that he lost so much energy he could no longer maintain a form, showing he wa pushed to his limits. Mewtwo has never bratehd heavy, and never got hurt, so he was obviously not really trying. The only time mewtwo ever got seriously hurt was when he submitted himself to Giovanni for the sake of his Pokemon Clones. And he let that happen. And mewtwo , although Mew was fighting at the same level, is inferior to Mewtwo, as Mewtwo was created to be the worlds strongest pokemon, and as the scientist himself said before he died. "We succceeded." Metwo was not truly trying against Mew. He looked at Mew as an inferior being, and not worth his full effort. Proof of that was when he said 'Why do you flee from me? Are you afraid to find out which of us is greater?" aabd he also said "My pokemon don't need their powers to prove their worth." prvogin he saw Mew adn th band of naturalpokemon as inferior and not worth teh full effort. And Mewtwo can take a hit, because he's taken hits before. He allowed Charizard to hit him with Flamethrower before dousing it with water. And he got hit by mew and got dug into the bleachers which would really hurt normally, but didn't even scratch mewtwo. And also your assuming that the Pokemon are naturally weaker than Goku. What's to say Mew's reflection of Mewtw's shadow ball may not be teh same strength as Goku's Kamehameha Wave? Because it certainly dug a hole in the groun like the Kamehameha Wave.

So in short, due to the way they each performed in their fights, Goku does not have more energy, and Mewtwo does. His strength is not limited to just tossing Pokemon around. I'm applying body language and physical effects of battle to each character, and that is why what I say is not just adding nonsensical factors. it's all factual and logical processing.

 

[Brittany]

I'm judging both of them fairly. Goku has been seen tired, whipped and bruised ,plus ther have been times that he lost so much energy he could no longer maintain a form, showing he wa pushed to his limits. Mewtwo has never bratehd heavy, and never got hurt, so he was obviously not really trying. The only time mewtwo ever got seriously hurt was when he submitted himself to Giovanni for the sake of his Pokemon Clones. And he let that happen. And mewtwo , although Mew was fighting at the same level, is inferior to Mewtwo, as Mewtwo was created to be the worlds strongest pokemon, and as the scientist himself said before he died. "We succceeded." Metwo was not truly trying against Mew. He looked at Mew as an inferior being, and not worth his full effort. Proof of that was when he said 'Why do you flee from me? Are you afraid to find out which of us is greater?" aabd he also said "My pokemon don't need their powers to prove their worth." prvogin he saw Mew adn th band of naturalpokemon as inferior and not worth teh full effort.

Sop in short, due to the way they each performed in their fights, Goku did not have more enrgy, and Mewtwo does. I', applying boidy language and physical effects of battle to each character, and that is why what I say is not just adding nonsensical factors. it's all factual and logical processing.

If Mewtwo considered Mew inferior, then why would he fight in the first place? Mew was definely a competitor for Mewtwo, although Mew was obviously not as strong(because Mewtwo was designed to be stronger)... He was still a challenge.

About the fighter conditions. Goku is always tired because any of his enemys is almost as strong as himself. I think that almost anyone in DBZ could pwn Mewtwo.

And for Mewtwo... since when did Pokemon shows real signs of blood and other signs of a tired fighter(realistic) on a normal basis? If Mewtwo wasn't tired... why wasn't Mew tired either? As you said, Mew is no challenge for Mewtwo... so why wasn't he tired? If Mewtwo was as strong as you say he is, then Mew should have been the one killed, not Ash.

 

[Pogiforce-14]

If Mewtwo considered Mew inferior, then why would he fight in the first place? Mew was definely a competitor for Mewtwo, although Mew was obviously not as strong(because Mewtwo was designed to be stronger)... He was still a challenge.

About the fighter conditions. Goku is always tired because any of his enemys is almost as strong as himself. I think that almost anyone in DBZ could pwn Mewtwo.

And for Mewtwo... since when did Pokemon shows real signs of blood and other signs of a tired fighter(realistic) on a normal basis? If Mewtwo wasn't tired... why wasn't Mew tired either? As you said, Mew is no challenge for Mewtwo... so why wasn't he tired? If Mewtwo was as strong as you say he is, then Mew should have been the one killed, not Ash.

Metwo would fight Mew because he doesn't like mew, pure and simple. Seeing Mew is like throing in his face that he is merely a copy. And the reason why Mew wasn't getting hurt either is becasue like I said,Mewtwo wasn't trying. And now you are adding factors you can't prove by saying any DBZ character can defeat mewtwo. Evenh Pikachu could defeat Raditz, a quick attack makes him too fast to catch, then ram him in teh stomach Gohan style, then strike him with thunder and he's cooked.

And POkemon may not bleed, bu there have been plenty of instance that they've been tired or injured. Just look at teh pokemon after they got too tired to fight in teh first movie. They were all kinds of scratched up.

and if you want to go by the manga, they bleed and get wounded plenty.

 

[Brittany]

Metwo would fight Mew because he doesn't like mew, pure and simple. Seeing Mew is like throing in his face that he is merely a copy. And the reason why Mew wasn't getting hurt either is becasue like I said,Mewtwo wasn't trying. And now you are adding factors you can't prove by saying any DBZ character can defeat mewtwo. Evenh Pikachu could defeat Raditz, a quick attack makes him too fast to catch, then ram him in teh stomach Gohan style, then strike him with thunder and he's cooked.

And POkemon may not bleed, bu there have been plenty of instance that they've been tired or injured. Just look at teh pokemon after they got too tired to fight in teh first movie. They were all kinds of scratched up.

and if you want to go by the manga, they bleed and get wounded plenty.

Umm, no I am not adding factors. If you read my post correctly it says, "I think", meaning that is my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

About Mewtwo wanting to fight Mew... you are now contradicting yourself

Mewtwo fought Mew because he hated him

But Mewtwo was just playing with Mew? Nice try buddy. If Mewtwo wants to kill Mew, he will fight Mew to death, and thats exactly what he tried to do.

If Mewtwo hated Mew that much, then he wouldn't just play around with him.

Pikachu even dent Raditz? Oh please...

 

[Pogiforce-14]

ytes he would, because he would prove his superiority by defeating Mew without using his full strength, kind of like what Freiza did at first against Goku. And PIkachu would roast Raditz over fire, and eat him for dinner. :P

 

[Mullet]

Mewtwo would either win or tie, he has unlimited powers because it is in his mind and Goku doesn't have the power to control anythings mind so he can't win, Goku does not have unlimited power!!!

 

[Brittany]

ytes he would, because he would prove his superiority by defeating Mew without using his full strength, kind of like what Freiza did at first against Goku. And PIkachu would roast Raditz over fire, and eat him for dinner. :P

But why would he use an equal amount of energy in the fight then? You can obviously see that almost every single one of their attacks was the same strength.

That was the trailer's theme of the movie. Mewtwo vs Mew. #150 vs 151. Both were meant to be equal powered fighters in the movie, even though Mewtwo was made to be stronger than his counterpart.

Mewtwo would either win or tie, he has unlimited powers because it is in his mind and Goku doesn't have the power to control anythings mind so he can't win, Goku does not have unlimited power!!!

Mewtwo can't control anything he wants. Obviously you don't understand the basic concepts of psychic power. Mewtwo's power may reside in the mind, but even his mind has a limit.

And nomody said that Goku had unlimited power either.

~Vote Brittany

 

[Pogiforce-14]

But you still implied that goku may be stronger than he appears while Mewtwo had reached his limit, while more than likely it's teh other way around. And that may have been the theme, but that doesn't change th fact tha mewtwo was obviously not trying. The only reason he got cuaght off guard by ,ew's first counter attack was he thought Mew was scared of him and he thought mew had run away, or was already defeated by the blast. Mewtwo wasn't trying at all. Again he said. " My pokemon don't need their powers to prove their worth!" and he was more than likely applying himself to that saying when it came to fighitng Mew.

And this isn't about wehter or not mew and Mewtwo are truly equal, it's about whether or not Goku and mewtwo would beat each other or not. Frankly Mewtwo has a strong mind and an unbreakable will, which in fact does give him unlimited psychic power, while goku is limited to his physical strength and stamina.And psychics can do body contorl, as even the old man psychic controlled ash's body, and Ash was just as empty headed if not more so than goku at that time. :P
Also, mewtwo has contorleld people and brainwashed htem, made lakes disappear, moved massive objects in teh blink of an eye, can take any pokemon attack with no harm to himself, has lifted about thirty or so pokemon up into the air, and completely removed signs of an evil laboratory, so yeah, it looks like Mewtwo cna do pretty much whatever he wants. :D

 

[Mullet]

Poji is right, he told me you said that. Mewtwo figured out his power in Mewtwo Returns his mind does not have a limit!!!

 

[Flygon trainer]

Much as i hate getting into discussions like this, I don't think either would win, with their power they'd kill each other or blow up the world trying.

 

[Pogiforce-14]

I ws honestly starting to wonder if anyoen would go for that option.:\

 

[Flygon trainer]

If I was playing favorites I'd go with Mewtwo, but Sparks would kill me. But once the world blew up Mewtwo has an easy victory.

 

[Pogiforce-14]

I've argued that myself, but i'm curious to hear your reason as to why. :\

 

[Flygon trainer]

Simple. In the old Kanto episodes, the very first seconds of the show had mew and Mewtwo flying around in space, thereby signafying that Mewtwo can live in space. or, at least, he can spend a bit of time there, without freezing to death or suffocating.

 

[Mullet]

Sparks would kill you I thought you we the evil that would seperate someone head from there shoulders!

 

[Pogiforce-14]

THat's an intersting thought, FT, I forgot about that part. :\

 

[Brittany]

But you still implied that goku may be stronger than he appears while Mewtwo had reached his limit, while more than likely it's teh other way around. And that may have been the theme, but that doesn't change th fact tha mewtwo was obviously not trying. The only reason he got cuaght off guard by ,ew's first counter attack was he thought Mew was scared of him and he thought mew had run away, or was already defeated by the blast. Mewtwo wasn't trying at all. Again he said. " My pokemon don't need their powers to prove their worth!" and he was more than likely applying himself to that saying when it came to fighitng Mew.

And this isn't about wehter or not mew and Mewtwo are truly equal, it's about whether or not Goku and mewtwo would beat each other or not. Frankly Mewtwo has a strong mind and an unbreakable will, which in fact does give him unlimited psychic power, while goku is limited to his physical strength and stamina.And psychics can do body contorl, as even the old man psychic controlled ash's body, and Ash was just as empty headed if not more so than goku at that time. :P
Also, mewtwo has contorleld people and brainwashed htem, made lakes disappear, moved massive objects in teh blink of an eye, can take any pokemon attack with no harm to himself, has lifted about thirty or so pokemon up into the air, and completely removed signs of an evil laboratory, so yeah, it looks like Mewtwo cna do pretty much whatever he wants. :D

Obviously not trying? He had nothing on Mew! Mew fought equally against Mewtwo the entire time.

And the reason why I used the Mew vs Mewtwo example, was to show what Mewtwo's limits were also.

Quit going back to the Psychic body control thing. I have said it a zillion times before. Goku's mind isn't that weak.

Goku gets beat up all the time and comes out without a scratch.
And all those acts, Goku could do as well, exept for the brainwashing thing. And brainwashing/body control takes time. Nobody can simply hack into another's mind and control it automatically. Especially not Goku, because Goku would own Mewtwo before Mewtwo could control him. If Mewtwo was spending his time trying to control Goku, then Goku would spend his time ****ing up Mewtwo.

Hmm about moving all signs of the labratory and stuff. Teleport, anyone?

 

[Flygon trainer]

Mullet, I didn't mean literally. yeah, the Kanto episodes were a long time ago, but the fact still remains

 

[Mullet]

Mewtwo could simply put up a psychic barrier and take control of his mind is so great he can perform multiple taks at once!