5th Gen More simple Pokémon = better?

[Mortalis]

I'd encourage everyone to google "bulbapedia on the origin of species", or something to that effect. excellent articles. Read them. Appreciate Pokemon.

Yes, we know about this, that's why they were discussing the Kyogre ordeal. Bulbapdia stated that it might be based off of an Orca, while other sites stated it as a large species of Dolphin. I believe that Veeko ... or whatever the site is called stated that it was a large species of Dolphin. [ Large species of dolphin as in pre-historic dolphin / legend dolphin ]

 

[SkieTheKitsune]

i dont count spinda as a panda, its a fail pokemon, like dunsparse

D:<

I disapprove of this comment. Spinda may suck somewhat, but Dunsparce certainly doesn't. It can be quite a useful tank. :I

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I don't mind Drowzee being the only tapir for now ... a leopard gecko (not a forest-dweller like Treecko) would be fun though. :P

A leoprd gecko would be so cool :)

 

[Mortalis]

D:<

I disapprove of this comment. Spinda may suck somewhat, but Dunsparce certainly doesn't. It can be quite a useful tank. :I

Agreed.
Another example like Dunsparce is Shuckle. He may look useless, but he can have the highest attack of all Pokemon, which is 591, using his move Power Trick. He also has the best base defense and special defense of any Pokemon. Think about that.

Same goes for Dunsparce, one of the best tanks and evasion, I believe.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Agreed.
Another example like Dunsparce is Shuckle. He may look useless, but he can have the highest attack of all Pokemon, which is 591, using his move Power Trick. He also has the best base defense and special defense of any Pokemon. Think about that.

Same goes for Dunsparce, one of the best tanks and evasion, I believe.

Sadly it seems like most people ignore Dunspance and Shuckle as tanks :(

 

[Mortalis]

Sadly it seems like most people ignore Dunspance and Shuckle as tanks :(

Which truly tanks. /badpun.
I could so see having a Shuckle and Dunsparce on my team and owning an Elite 4 or high trainer with a certain amount of ease.

 

[MistahDude]

Yes, we know about this, that's why they were discussing the Kyogre ordeal. Bulbapdia stated that it might be based off of an Orca, while other sites stated it as a large species of Dolphin. I believe that Veeko ... or whatever the site is called stated that it was a large species of Dolphin. [ Large species of dolphin as in pre-historic dolphin / legend dolphin ]

This isn't the place to discuss pokemon origins. This is the place to say whether or not you feel simple pokemon are better than complex ones.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Which truly tanks. /badpun.
I could so see having a Shuckle and Dunsparce on my team and owning an Elite 4 or high trainer with a certain amount of ease.

Yeah I can see myself doing the same. There are some combos that those two can use that are very deadly!

 

[Mortalis]

This isn't the place to discuss pokemon origins. This is the place to say whether or not you feel simple pokemon are better than complex ones.

I wasn't discussing Pokemon Origins, I was telling Azure that we know of Bulbapedia and why the previous posters were talking about the origins. Then I gave a point about simple Pokemon backed up by Manaphy's origin to produce more evidence of my point. I was not discussing the origins.

Yeah I can see myself doing the same. There are some combos that those two can use that are very deadly!

Defiantly. Shuckle: Power Trick >> Earthquake >> Easy Kill for most. So all in all, simple Pokemon usually have a lot up their sleeve, which is why I guess I like them better.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Yeah simple pokemon can be killers if used and trained right.

 

[Myles]

Yes, we know about this, that's why they were discussing the Kyogre ordeal. Bulbapdia stated that it might be based off of an Orca, while other sites stated it as a large species of Dolphin. I believe that Veeko ... or whatever the site is called stated that it was a large species of Dolphin. [ Large species of dolphin as in pre-historic dolphin / legend dolphin ]

No, it started when I (correctly) stated that Kyogre was a kind of dolphin, but not the one most people think of when they think of dolphins, that is a bottled-nose dolphin. To clarify and end this:

- Orcas are oceanic dolphins.
- Bottled-nose dolphins are oceanic dolphins.
- Therefore the relationship to cats/lions/felines is thus: orca/bottled-nose dolphins/oceanic dolphins.

This isn't the place to discuss pokemon origins. This is the place to say whether or not you feel simple pokemon are better than complex ones.

By 'simple' though, the OP means 'looks closely to the animal it is based off', so the topic is going to bleed every now and then.

 

[MistahDude]

Yeah simple pokemon can be killers if used and trained right.

Not really. Most of these simple pokemon are NU.

 

[Livewire]

It depends on what you like. Sometimes, simple Pokemon are better because they're cute or fun to be with, but some complex Pokemon make you look more powerful. Take a look at this;

What do you think Manaphy is? A bubble? A blue blob? No. It's a slug. You see, the Japanese have a slug on their coast, which is blue and clear looking, with a glowing organ on the inside of it. It's beautiful really, and Manaphy is based off of this slug because the Japanese find it amazing and pretty. They don't care that it's a slug, it's beautiful and fascinating.

So although Manaphy, and any other Pokemon for instance, may look simple, their background is huge. No Pokemon is simple, they all derived from somewhere, which is what makes them unique.

What Manaphy is based off of; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_angel



Kyogre is based off of a type of Dolphin the size of a whale. I forget what it's called, but that is it's origin.
Also, it doesn't matter if it doesn't look like it, theres so many Pokemon that don't look like what they're based off. Look above this quote about Manaphy for an example.

kyogre is based on the mythological Leviathan of hebrew Mythology, the embodiment of the sea. bulbapedia says its design draws inspiration from orcas/dolphins or whatever. its the embodiment/god of the sea. chances are its going to look like something that lives in the sea, aka a fish, not nessecaraly a dolphin

from bulba:
Kyogre is most likely based on the Hebrew legends of Leviathan, the unconquerable primal master of the sea. Its counterparts were Behemoth and Ziz. Just as Kyogre is in conflict with Groudon, it was said that at the end of time Leviathan and Behemoth would start a battle that would kill them both

now it resembles a dolphin/orca or whatever because its modeled after the archetypel sea creature, with the basic geometric shape of a fish, fins, a tail, lives underwater, etc.

also, complex designs are fine and dandy, as long as they dont look over done. *cough dialga/palkia*

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I didn't found Dialga and Palkia overdone :)

 

[solastalgia]

Pokemon can be complex without being overworked. That was the main difference I found between RSE and DP, in that RSE began a movement towards more complex Pokemon which were still cool, but DP just overdid it which made complex look overwhelming and frankly, stupid at times.

 

[Mortalis]

No, it started when I (correctly) stated that Kyogre was a kind of dolphin, but not the one most people think of when they think of dolphins, that is a bottled-nose dolphin. To clarify and end this:

- Orcas are oceanic dolphins.
- Bottled-nose dolphins are oceanic dolphins.
- Therefore the relationship to cats/lions/felines is thus: orca/bottled-nose dolphins/oceanic dolphins.

Alright, thanks. That cleared it up for me; I wasn't sure myself. I knew that Orcas were Oceanic dolphins, just wasn't sure what Kyogre was.

kyogre is based on the mythological Leviathan of hebrew Mythology, the embodiment of the sea. bulbapedia says its design draws inspiration from orcas/dolphins or whatever. its the embodiment/god of the sea. chances are its going to look like something that lives in the sea, aka a fish, not nessecaraly a dolphin

from bulba:
Kyogre is most likely based on the Hebrew legends of Leviathan, the unconquerable primal master of the sea. Its counterparts were Behemoth and Ziz. Just as Kyogre is in conflict with Groudon, it was said that at the end of time Leviathan and Behemoth would start a battle that would kill them both

now it resembles a dolphin/orca or whatever because its modeled after the archetypel sea creature, with the basic geometric shape of a fish, fins, a tail, lives underwater, etc.

also, complex designs are fine and dandy, as long as they dont look over done. *cough dialga/palkia*

Yes, I've already read this before, thank you. Remember that Bulbapedia are making assumptions off of what information they could get, so note, Bulbapedia may not always be correct. In this case, they are though.

Not really. Most of these simple pokemon are NU.

So you're basically saying all simple-looking Pokemon are NU? I'm pretty sure there's a lot of simple Pokemon, nearly all if used right, that can put up a fair fight against a 'complex-looking' Pokemon.

I'm sorry, but I've seen a lot of People train 'simple' looking Pokemon, two being myself and my friend. You can't just assume that simple Pokemon are NU because you don't see them usually; You have to experience It with more trainers locally and more world widely.

Also, it doesn't matter if they're NU, that doesn't mean they can't fight good. That doesn't mean they can't win over another complex-looking, sometimes more powerful Pokemon then them. So please, know that even though a Pokemon may be NU, doesn't mean that it can't be a good Pokemon. There is a lot of NU powerful / complex Pokemon because of their rarity; that doesn't mean People don't use them because of thier power, but because of their rareness.