My first attempt at a Wi-fi team.

[Super Puppy]

I have tons of experience with in-game battling. However, I'm pretty new to this Wi-Fi stuff. Sooo... this'll probably suck. I appreciate any advice, though.

Gallade @ Razor Claw
Serious nature
EVs: 252 Attk., 252 Spd., 4 Sp. Def.
Psycho Cut
Poison Jab
Close Combat
Leaf Blade

Dragonite @ Persim Berry
Brave nature
EVs: 252 Attk., 252 Spd., 4 HP
Fire Punch
Arial Ace
Outrage
Waterfall
Haha! This one's really awful. I need to replace it with a Special Sweeper anyway for balance. Any thoughts?

Dusknoir @ Lefties
Careful nature
EVs: 252 Def., 252 SP. def, 4 HP
Night Shade (100 damage)
Curse
Toxic
Mean Look

Scizor @ Muscle Band
Lonely nature
EVs: 253 Sp. Attk., 252 Spd., 4 Def.
Night Slash
Brick Break
X-Scissor
Iron Head

Tyranitar @ Focus Band
Careful nature
Evs: I dunno. But it's stats are amazing. Got it in a trade. Physical Attacker/ physical and special wall
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Avalanche (it's pretty slow)
Crunch

Rayquaza (also use Salamence when not allowed UBERs)
Rash nature
EVs: Also Unknown. But it's stats are also very good. Special Sweeper
Thunderbolt
Flamethrower
Surf
Dragon Pulse

Yup. This is my crappy team. HALP PWEESE! ^_^;

 

[Dark Azelf]

I have tons of experience with in-game battling. However, I'm pretty new to this Wi-Fi stuff. Sooo... this'll probably suck. I appreciate any advice, though.

Gallade @ Razor Claw
Serious nature
EVs: 252 Attk., 252 Spd., 4 Sp. Def.
Psycho Cut
Poison Jab
Close Combat
Leaf Blade

Dragonite @ Persim Berry
Brave nature
EVs: 252 Attk., 252 Spd., 4 HP
Fire Punch
Arial Ace
Outrage
Waterfall
Haha! This one's really awful. I need to replace it with a Special Sweeper anyway for balance. Any thoughts?

Dusknoir @ Lefties
Careful nature
EVs: 252 Def., 252 SP. def, 4 HP
Night Shade (100 damage)
Curse
Toxic
Mean Look

Scizor @ Muscle Band
Lonely nature
EVs: 253 Sp. Attk., 252 Spd., 4 Def.
Night Slash
Brick Break
X-Scissor
Iron Head

Tyranitar @ Focus Band
Careful nature
Evs: I dunno. But it's stats are amazing. Got it in a trade. Physical Attacker/ physical and special wall
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Avalanche (it's pretty slow)
Crunch

Rayquaza (also use Salamence when not allowed UBERs)
Rash nature
EVs: Also Unknown. But it's stats are also very good. Special Sweeper
Thunderbolt
Flamethrower
Surf
Dragon Pulse

Yup. This is my crappy team. HALP PWEESE! ^_^;

Rayquaza is an uber, therefore banned.

Focus Band and Razor Claw are Hax items, therefore banned also.

All their natures are pure fail for their respective roles. Only dusknoirs is good, but that ev spread is awful, it wants 252 HP / 76 DEF / 180 SP.DEF @ Will-o-wisp/Thunder.Ice. Or Fire Punch/Pain Split / Shadow Sneak. In most cases always max hp on a defensive pokemon before going for the defensive stats.

Tyranitar@Leftovers / Life Orb / Blackglasses (<2HKO on Swampert with Crunch after a dd is win)
Jolly Nature
252 SPEED / 252 ATT / 6 HP
- Taunt / Stone Edge / Ice Beam
- DragoN Dance
- Crunch
- Earthquake

Taunts stops status, PHazing etc, Stone Edge gets STAB and Ice Beam 2hkos Hippowdon, Donphan, and OHKO'S Garchomp and Gliscor even with Jolly Nature, but only with a Life Orb, you can put Naive if you wish to power it up more.


So yeah, you need to rebreed and chances have it that all their Ivs are bad aswell.


I may do a full rate later.

 

[Azonic]

I have tons of experience with in-game battling. However, I'm pretty new to this Wi-Fi stuff. Sooo... this'll probably suck. I appreciate any advice, though.

Gallade @ Razor Claw <~ This item is a hax item, therefore should not be used.
Serious nature <~ Neutral Natures are terrible. You should always have a beneficial nature. Gallade does not use his SAttack much, go for a -SATK nature.
EVs: 252 Attk., 252 Spd., 4 Sp. Def. <~ EVs are too sweeper-ish. Gallade is a semi-sweeper.
Psycho Cut
Poison Jab <~Terrible Coverage. There are better moves than Poison Jab.
Close Combat
Leaf Blade

Dragonite @ Persim Berry
Brave nature <~ Err, no. Lowering its Speed stat is rather idiotic.
EVs: 252 Attk., 252 Spd., 4 HP <~ Too sweeper-ish. Pump some EVs into HP or SDefense
Fire Punch <~ Ew. Why?
Arial Ace <~ It doesn't necessarily need two STAB moves. And most moves are stronger than Aerial Ace, even after STAB boost.
Outrage
Waterfall
Haha! This one's really awful. I need to replace it with a Special Sweeper anyway for balance. Any thoughts? DDnite. As in Dragon Dance + Dragonite. Do you decipher?

Dusknoir @ Lefties
Careful nature
EVs: 252 Def., 252 SP. def, 4 HP <~ This thing is useless without HP EVs.
Night Shade (100 damage) <~Why? Dusknoir's 100 base Attack is nothing to be ashamed about.
Curse
Toxic
Mean Look

ToxiTrapping Pokemon are terrible nowadays. And Dusknoir doesn't pull off Trapping very well. Awkward Set, I must say.

Scizor @ Muscle Band
Lonely nature <~Lowering defense is LOL.
EVs: 253 Sp. Attk., 252 Spd., 4 Def. <~You do realize that Scizor has a base 65 Speed? And that IT HAS NO SPECIAL MOVES.
Night Slash
Brick Break
X-Scissor
Iron Head

No sweeping Scizor. :/

Tyranitar @ Focus Band <~Hax item again. Its a nono.
Careful nature <~I do believe this nature slows the process of gaining Defense points, definite no.
Evs: I dunno. But it's stats are amazing. Got it in a trade. Physical Attacker/ physical and special wall.
Dragon Claw <~ Er... no.
Earthquake
Avalanche (it's pretty slow) Does it matter? Avalanche always goes last.
Crunch

Rayquaza (also use Salamence when not allowed UBERs)
Rash nature
EVs: Also Unknown. But it's stats are also very good. Special Sweeper
Thunderbolt
Flamethrower
Surf
Dragon Pulse

Hell no. ._.

Yup. This is my crappy team. HALP PWEESE! ^_^;

I will suggest some movesets later. This post is to be edited.

 

[Anti]

I don't...never mind.

I suggest looking at each pokemon's base stats on Smogon or Serebii so you can decide how to use them. for example, Blissey was made to wall special attackers with an incredible 135 base Special Defense and 255 base HP.

Your pokemon's natures and movesets don't fit very well with what role they probably should be performing. A pokemon's base stats will help determine its role. For example, Scizor has awful speed and has trouble sweeping despite its awesome attack, so using its high defense and attack to make it a worthy CBer (Choice Bander) is a good option (the defense is needed to constantly switch into attacks)

Also clade, Dragonite needs Fire Punch or Skarmory and Bronzong say "sup Nite" and give you a taste of Spikes while you go and...Outrage them?

Also a quick note, with walls that have terribly low HP like Dusknoir, the HP EVs should be more in the range of 252 rather than 4, as it needs every last one of them. Most walls do, but some (like Blissey) have so much HP you can focus on defenses more. The 4 HP /252 Def / 252 SDef spread will almost never work on almost any pokemon.

EDIT: Also Careful is (+SDef, -SAtk), not a -Def nature :0

EDIT 2: I'd like to add this is pretty good for a first try, but it needs improving ^_^

 

[Azonic]

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP / 172 SDefense / 84 Defense
- Will-o-Wisp
- Thunderpunch
- Shadow Sneak
- Pain Split

Will-o-Wisp halves the opponents attack, turning Dusknoir into a great dual wall. Shadow Sneak pretty much ruins Focus Sashers that say "OMG I'M A KILLIN JOO WIT 1 HP". :D And Ninjask, Shadow Sneak is a nightmare for Ninjask. Pain Split is good for Pokemon with low HP.

Salamence @ Choice Specs
Trait: Intimidate
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAttack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Draco Meteor
- Dragon Pulse
- Hydro Pump
- Fire Blast

You needed a special sweeper.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP / 172 SDefense / 84 Defense
- Will-o-Wisp
- Thunderpunch
- Shadow Sneak
- Pain Split

Will-o-Wisp halves the opponents attack, turning Dusknoir into a great dual wall. Shadow Sneak pretty much ruins Focus Sashers that say "OMG I'M A KILLIN JOO WIT 1 HP". :D And Ninjask, Shadow Sneak is a nightmare for Ninjask. Pain Split is good for Pokemon with low HP.

Salamence @ Choice Specs
Trait: Intimidate
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAttack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Draco Meteor
- Dragon Pulse
- Hydro Pump
- Fire Blast

You needed a special sweeper.

Specs mence = Modest. =), Timid makes it sad and not get the kills it would otherwise and it looses alot of sweeping prowess.

 

[Arcknight316]

Ne1 notice that Scizor has max SATK? :O

 

[Anti]

Anyone notice that "ne1" is the worst form of internet slang possible? :P:P:P lol just kidding around with you, but that is a really pathetic saying :P

And yes, Timid is the biggest waste on SpecsMence imaginable.

Also I believe Dusknoir runs the 252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SDef spread. It's probably the best spread it gets.

Also I honestly find thunderpunch on Dusknoir useless besides for Gyarados. In all honesty Noir is a much better Heracross counter than Gyarados (STAB Waterfall hurts a lot) so I usually prefer Fire Punch to Thunderpunch.

 

[Arcknight316]

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Lol, only one Wall.

That's what I did in my n00b days. Used a Bronzong, and thought it was enough for a wall. Then, I did the n00biest thing ever: I swapped it for a Torterra and used it as a (lol) Dual Wall. Like it can do that, lol.

Anyway (neway), you need AT THE VERY LEAST 2 walls (recommended is either 3 Walls, or 2 walls and a "Bulky"). Fix up those Walls, man! I suggest swapping out 'Noir for a Pure Wall (Phys. or Spc.), swapping out Gallade for a better, faster Sweeper, and swapping Scizor out for another Pure wall. Rayquaza is now a SpecsMence, and Tyranitar OR Dragonite must be switched for something bulky. These are the most basic changes I can think of right now.

 

[Super Puppy]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I still have a lot to learn. But a few notes from me:

The reason I use Scizor as a physical sweeper is because it has an attack stat of 394. I didn't even know it could go that high on a Pokemon like that. It's speed is very high as well. I've used it a few times, and nobody expects it to be as strong as it is. If it's really that bad of an idea, I can get rid of it, but I like her.

I mentioned that I used Rayquaza interchangebly with Salamence, but nobody seemed to notice... anyway, I'll take the Salamence movesets you guys suggested into consideration for it and stop using Rayquaza. And I know that Rayquaza's set sucked. I wasn't thinking when I made that, I guess...

The mention of 100 damage on Dusknoir was just a clarification on my part, because that attack inflicts damage that matches the users level. But I'm going to change the set and rebreed to match the suggestions, annyways.

I really don't want to rebreed my T-tar because for some reason, it just works very well. She's really tough. I'll definatley take the new movesets into consideration, however, as well as item suggestions. Though if I must, I can rebreed her.

I can also get rid of Gallade if you think there are better Pokes out there to use, but I'm quite fond of him. He makes a fine sweeper for me at least.

I know that Dragonite needs to go. She's the weakest on my team and an unnessecary physical sweeper. I will replace her promptly with... something.

And (I'm such a n00b here) I've never even heard of Hax Items. I shall get rid of them straightaway.

Supposing I get rid of Scizor, Dragonite, or others. Any ideas on what I should replace them with?

 

[sims796]

I'd like to point out something for future reference. claude was incorrect in saying Avalance always goes last. It only does double damage when you get hit first, but it doesn't make you go last. Just throwing that out there.

 

[Arcknight316]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I still have a lot to learn. But a few notes from me:

The reason I use Scizor as a physical sweeper is because it has an attack stat of 394. I didn't even know it could go that high on a Pokemon like that. It's speed is very high as well. I've used it a few times, and nobody expects it to be as strong as it is. If it's really that bad of an idea, I can get rid of it, but I like her.

It's outsped by Metagross :/

I mentioned that I used Rayquaza interchangebly with Salamence, but nobody seemed to notice... anyway, I'll take the Salamence movesets you guys suggested into consideration for it and stop using Rayquaza. And I know that Rayquaza's set sucked. I wasn't thinking when I made that, I guess...

OK.

The mention of 100 damage on Dusknoir was just a clarification on my part, because that attack inflicts damage that matches the users level. But I'm going to change the set and rebreed to match the suggestions, annyways.

I really don't want to rebreed my T-tar because for some reason, it just works very well. She's really tough. I'll definatley take the new movesets into consideration, however, as well as item suggestions. Though if I must, I can rebreed her.

Mmm...well, her nature is OK as it is. It would be best if you bred, but you don't have to.

I can also get rid of Gallade if you think there are better Pokes out there to use, but I'm quite fond of him. He makes a fine sweeper for me at least.

Gallade is NOT a sweeper.

I know that Dragonite needs to go. She's the weakest on my team and an unnessecary physical sweeper. I will replace her promptly with... something.

OK.

And (I'm such a n00b here) I've never even heard of Hax Items. I shall get rid of them straightaway.

Well, you're learning.

Supposing I get rid of Gallade (teardrop), Scizor, Dragonite, or others. Any ideas on what I should replace them with?

I told you already:

WALLS WALLS WALLS

Um, OK, said some stuff in the quote.

I'd like to point out something for future reference. claude was incorrect in saying Avalance always goes last. It only does double damage when you get hit first, but it doesn't make you go last. Just throwing that out there.

Precisely what I was thinking as well.

 

[Super Puppy]

Fabulous! So this is what I now have put together:

Salamence: Special sweeper
Gallade: Physical sweeper
Dusknoir: Annoyer
Tyranitar: ??? (I dunno the title; physical attacker with outstanding defence in both physical and special but lousy special attack).
???: Physical wall
???: Special wall

I think that's right. Anyone have any good wall suggestions that will work with this team?

 

[Arcknight316]

Fabulous! So this is what I now have put together:

Salamence: Special sweeper
Gallade: Physical sweeper
Dusknoir: Annoyer
Tyranitar: ??? (I dunno the title; physical attacker with outstanding defence in both physical and special but lousy special attack).
???: Physical wall
???: Special wall

I think that's right. Anyone have any good wall suggestions that will work with this team?

For beginners, a generic combo is SkarmBliss:

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Impish
252 HP, 252 DEF, 6 ATK
Drill Peck
Whirlwind
Spikes
Roost

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm
42 HP, 216 SDEF, 252 DEF (I use my own custom spread, but I forgot it lol)
Aromatherapy
Ice Beam/T-Wave/Seismic Toss
Seismic Toss/T-Wave/Ice Beam
Softboiled

 

[Super Puppy]

Yeah, that's a good option I suppose. Although I don't have either one of those at the moment. I don't suppose I could use a combo of Weezing (physical wall) and Lapras (special wall)?

 

[Arcknight316]

Yeah, that's a good option I suppose. Although I don't have either one of those at the moment. I don't suppose I could use a combo of Weezing (physical wall) and Lapras (special wall)?

Weezing is good, but Lapras doesn't work. It has the stats to be a makeshift, lackluster Sp. Wall, but it's bad support movepool has sealed it's fate as a bad Sp. Wall.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Weezing is good, but Lapras doesn't work. It has the stats to be a makeshift, lackluster Sp. Wall, but it's bad support movepool has sealed it's fate as a bad Sp. Wall.

its not a wall, its called "A Tank"


As for the support movepool, have you heard of : -Sing, Perish Song, Confuse Ray, Safeguard, Curse, Dragon Dance, Rest, Sleep Talk, Toxic, Heal Bell, Roar, Rain Dance, Refresh.

There are more like Attract and Mist etc, but Lapras does not have a poor support movepool.


How its bad a fail to see 130/80/95 defenses is actually very bulky, its as Bulky as Zapdos. 85/85 attacks arnt particularly bad either, just mediocre.

 

[Super Puppy]

I dunno, *Nightfall*, I've seen Lapras used as a very effective Special Wall before.

Anyway, does anyone have moveset suggestions for the two of them?