My first serious team.

[Syaoran]

Hey guys, it took me quite a while to think it through. Although I might add these pokemon are just in theory and I probably can't really get some of them or some of their moves unless I have Wi-Fi.


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Azelf "Sp.Sweep Leader" Naive@Focus Sash 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 Atk

Flamethrower
Psychic
Grass Knot
Explosion


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Jirachi "U-Turner" Jolly@leftovers/Shuca Berry (50% less from ground) 240 HP / 104 SDef / 164 Spd

Ice Punch
U-Turn
Wish
Reflect


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Snorlax "Hittin' Hard" Adamant@Choice Band 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SDef

Earthquake
Crunch
Fire Punch
Return / Giga Impact / Counter


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Umbreon "Curser" Calm@Leftovers 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef

Mean Look
Curse
Wish
Baton Pass


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Togekiss "Flincher" calm@Leftovers 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef

Air Slash
Aura Sphere
Thunder Wave
Roost


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Dusknoir "Tank Beast" Impish@Leftovers 252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SDef

Ice Punch
Shadow Punch / Shadow Sneak
Earthquake
Pain Split


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Critique is welcomed. :p

 

[MegaDitto]

Jirachi

-Zen Headbutt
-U-Turn
-Wish
-Reflect

I would consider Life Orb for Sornlax or the basic Leftovers.

 

[Towlie]

Ow.

Timid nature on Azelf. Replace explosion with Nasty Plot.

Jirachi with Leftovers, Zen Headbutt over Ice Punch for STAB and flinch hax.

Snorlax wants lefties with Crunch/Return/Curse/Rest

Bad Umbreon set. Gyarados will Taunt and get free DDs with that set. Only snorlax benefeits from Curse anyways.

Togekiss needs Air Slash over Aerial Ace with 0 attack EVs and a -Attack nature, you wouldn't do anything with Aerial Ace anyways.

Dusknoir wants Shadow Sneak/Will-O-Wisp/Pain Split/Thunderpunch. I'd give him a few Atk EVs too.

 

[Syaoran]

Ow.

Timid nature on Azelf. Replace explosion with Nasty Plot.

Jirachi with Leftovers, Zen Headbutt over Ice Punch for STAB and flinch hax.

Snorlax wants lefties with Crunch/Return/Curse/Rest

Bad Umbreon set. Gyarados will Taunt and get free DDs with that set. Only snorlax benefeits from Curse anyways.

Togekiss needs Air Slash over Aerial Ace with 0 attack EVs and a -Attack nature, you wouldn't do anything with Aerial Ace anyways.

Dusknoir wants Shadow Sneak/Will-O-Wisp/Pain Split/Thunderpunch. I'd give him a few Atk EVs too.

- Azelf: Focus Sash (Naive nature) is there for a reason, Exploding in their face would be so awesome if they think they counter me perfectly. Nasty Plotting always seemed too risky for me.

- Jirachi: Yea I know Zen Headbutt is the ideal move there, But I need a pokemon that can handle (and even surprise) those pesky Salamence and Garchomp for x4 effective damage (Dusknoir with Ice Punch isn't reliable enough IMO).

- Snorlax: He really doesn't want it, espeically since my entire team is based around Umbreon's Curse and Jirachi's Reflect.

- Umbreon: Ahh, you found my weakness, Gyarados. I wouldn't put him against Umbreon then. Thunder Punch on Dusknoir was a thought, but I'm really not so sure about that, considering there'll be only 1 Earthquaker on the team if I replace it on him. Oh, and Dusknoir also benefits from Curse.

- Togekiss: Thank you, I got confused with the 2 moves. Obviously it wouldn't be a "flincher" if it didn't have Air Slash. Also, the nature is calm because he's supposed to be durable.

- Dusknoir: I might actually use this set, although it narrows down my entire attackpool even more. I'm mostly relying on cursed Umbreon to baton pass the atk boost.


Thank you very much. ;p

 

[Towlie]

I wouldn't rely on Umbreon that much if it gets KOed you pretty much lost.

And as a side note, everything except Dusknoir and maybe Jirachi gets 1hkoed by a Scarfcross.

Azelf - Megahorn/Night Slash

Jirachi - Earthquake if he runs it and you don't have shucka berry, Close Combat would 2hko it otherwise.

Snorlax - Close Combat

Togekiss - Stone Edge

Umbreon - Megahorn

 

[MKDS_PoKE]

Hey guys, it took me quite a while to think it through. Although I might add these pokemon are just in theory and I probably can't really get some of them or some of their moves unless I have Wi-Fi.


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Azelf "Sp.Sweep Leader" Naive@Focus Sash 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 Atk

Flamethrower
Psychic
Grass Knot
Explosion

For this kind of set you'd want naive nature. Seeing how you don't have that, use nasty plot over explosion. Use life orb

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Jirachi "U-Turner" Jolly@leftovers/Shuca Berry (50% less from ground) 240 HP / 104 SDef / 164 Spd

Ice Punch
U-Turn
Wish
Reflect

No ice punch needed. Zenheadbutt is better because of critical hit percentage going up. Use leftovers and impish nature though.

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Snorlax "Hittin' Hard" Adamant@Choice Band 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SDef

Earthquake
Crunch
Fire Punch
Return / Giga Impact / Counter

CBLax? Not reccomended....

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Umbreon "Curser" Calm@Leftovers 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef

Mean Look
Curse
Wish
Baton Pass

Lol curse passer. Meh, it's ok I guess, it works....

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Togekiss "Flincher" calm@Leftovers 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef

Air Slash
Aura Sphere
Thunder Wave
Roost

=\ no nasty plot

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Dusknoir "Tank Beast" Impish@Leftovers 252 HP / 76 Def / 180 SDef

Ice Punch
Shadow Punch / Shadow Sneak
Earthquake
Pain Split

It doesn't have will-o-wisp. Take off earthquake for it.


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Critique is welcomed. :p

:O, i've rated it pretty nicely I guess...

 

[Syaoran]

I wouldn't rely on Umbreon that much if it gets KOed you pretty much lost.

And as a side note, everything except Dusknoir and maybe Jirachi gets 1hkoed by a Scarfcross.

It wouldn't survive Flamethrower from Focus Sash Azelf.

OH and MKDS, Azelf DOES have Naive nature.. and Togekiss wasn't meant for the sole purpose of Nasty Plot.

 

[Towlie]

Not with Hera's speed. Lol. People don't lead with Hera. Stealth Rock/Sandstorm = No Focus Sash. Also Hera may be able to survive a Flamethrower without a Nasty Plot.

 

[Samson]

RAY! <333

Focus Sash on naive azelf starter is good. to all those who say otherwise, wtf do you know? aside from that, you're really gonna need tbolt on azelf. psychic + tbolt + grass knot covers everything. the only benefit of having flamethrower is bulky grass like Meganium, which you would almost never run into anyway and for doing more damage to steels, which you wouldn't be able to do anyway considering no one would switch one in with azelf.

i never liked u-turn on jirachi... and if you insist on ice punch for dragons, then you're very silly. first, you won't ohko salamence cus of intimidate, won't ohko garchomp because of it's hp + defense, and won't ohko them because they're faster than you and will probably ko you before you get the chance. you need to really rework how you want to use jirachi.

snorlax is fine (return is preferred), but it's not as effective as Selfdestruct/Counter lax. but i dunno, i think choice band lax will work for your team.

umbreon: i know i suggested this moveset, but it needs a better EV spread. go with something like 252 HP/212 SP DEF/44 DEF. it needs to be able to take special hits, and trap special sweepers so that you can build its attack and defense and transfer it to either dusknoir, jirachi, or snorlax.

togekiss' ev distribution is pretty bad. go with 252 HP/140 DEF/116 SP ATK. it's gonna need an extra kick in its hits to beat leftovers.

your dusknoir moveset disturbs me, mostly because there are NO physical fighting attacks anywhere in your team. replace shadow punch with brick break. trust me when i say you will need it. next, give him some attack evs. you can go for 240 HP/84 DEF/128 SP DEF/56 ATK.

you definitely need something with choice scarf. a tyranitar with choice scarf would embarass this team, so you really need to be prepared for pokes that'll go for a quick kill. the only thing that has a chance of taking tyranitar out is Dusknoir with Brick Break, which Crunch would really hurt him anyway.

 

[Towlie]

Thunderbolt over Flamethrower is just asking to get demolished by Weavile leads. Also, without Flamethrower you just get walled by steels. Saying don't run flamethrower on Azelf because steels wont switch in on you, is like saying don't run Psychic on Azelf because fighting/Poison pokemon will never switch in on you.

 

[Samson]

ok, first, no one leads with weavile unless it has focus sash, which would therefore render flamethrower useless on azelf. secondly, without thunderbolt on a lead, his team gets raped by gyara. third, what steels other than metagross can take a thunderbolt with no problem? azelf could 3OHKO metagross with tbolt while metagross would have to 2OHKO azelf, which if you haven't yet considered, azelf is faster.

finally, as i said, thunderbolt gives it more coverage.

thank you, come again.

 

[MKDS_PoKE]

ok, first, no one leads with weavile unless it has focus sash, which would therefore render flamethrower useless on azelf. secondly, without thunderbolt on a lead, his team gets raped by gyara. third, what steels other than metagross can take a thunderbolt with no problem? azelf could 3OHKO metagross with tbolt while metagross would have to 2OHKO azelf, which if you haven't yet considered, azelf is faster.

finally, as i said, thunderbolt gives it more coverage.

thank you, come again.

What are you talking about? Many people use Weavile as a starter - a majority use choice band, not focus sash.

 

[Towlie]

ok, first, no one leads with weavile unless it has focus sash, which would therefore render flamethrower useless on azelf. secondly, without thunderbolt on a lead, his team gets raped by gyara. third, what steels other than metagross can take a thunderbolt with no problem? azelf could 3OHKO metagross with tbolt while metagross would have to 2OHKO azelf, which if you haven't yet considered, azelf is faster.

finally, as i said, thunderbolt gives it more coverage.

thank you, come again.

Any steel pretty much. Forretress, Registeel, Metagross, Bronzong, Bastiodon, Magneton, Magnezone, Jirachi, and Steelix.

And Metagross 1hko's Azelf just so you know. Yea, Focus Sash is into consideration. Stealth Rocks and Sandstorm is too. Unless you stay as a lead the whole time, which Azelf will then just get walled by Blissey. You wanna explode? Sure but then your special sweeper is gone. Darn.

 

[Syaoran]

First of all, MKDS: Zen Headbutt doesn't raise critical hit, and it has 90 accuracy, so that's why I didn't give it priority.

RAY! <333 <3 HAI GAI

Focus Sash on naive azelf starter is good. to all those who say otherwise, wtf do you know? aside from that, you're really gonna need tbolt on azelf. psychic + tbolt + grass knot covers everything. the only benefit of having flamethrower is bulky grass like Meganium, which you would almost never run into anyway and for doing more damage to steels, which you wouldn't be able to do anyway considering no one would switch one in with azelf.
I'm not sure man, but maybe a Thunderbolt on Azelf and a Flamethrower on Togekiss (instead of Aura Sphere) would ballance it out?

i never liked u-turn on jirachi... and if you insist on ice punch for dragons, then you're very silly. first, you won't ohko salamence cus of intimidate, won't ohko garchomp because of it's hp + defense, and won't ohko them because they're faster than you and will probably ko you before you get the chance. you need to really rework how you want to use jirachi.
With these speed EVs it outspeeds them, and don't forget about the anti-Earthquake berry. Although I didn't take into account the Intimidate and I really have no clue what exactly is needed to 1HKO them with an Ice attack. =[

snorlax is fine (return is preferred), but it's not as effective as Selfdestruct/Counter lax. but i dunno, i think choice band lax will work for your team.
^__^;

umbreon: i know i suggested this moveset, but it needs a better EV spread. go with something like 252 HP/212 SP DEF/44 DEF. it needs to be able to take special hits, and trap special sweepers so that you can build its attack and defense and transfer it to either dusknoir, jirachi, or snorlax.

togekiss' ev distribution is pretty bad. go with 252 HP/140 DEF/116 SP ATK. it's gonna need an extra kick in its hits to beat leftovers.
Umbreon and Togekiss EVs are meant to get the most of their potential stats. I tried different variations and this raises the maximum stats on them to fit their needs (notice the natures).

your dusknoir moveset disturbs me, mostly because there are NO physical fighting attacks anywhere in your team. replace shadow punch with brick break. trust me when i say you will need it. next, give him some attack evs. you can go for 240 HP/84 DEF/128 SP DEF/56 ATK.
Yeah, I fully agree. Although without Shadow Sneak I have no supereffective damage on ghosts in my entire team.

you definitely need something with choice scarf. a tyranitar with choice scarf would embarass this team, so you really need to be prepared for pokes that'll go for a quick kill. the only thing that has a chance of taking tyranitar out is Dusknoir with Brick Break, which Crunch would really hurt him anyway.
Won't Grass Knot finish it off? Anyway, I was thinking of making a Sp.Sweeper Togekiss with Choice Scarf, but it feels so bad to waste its current use.

Thanks Samson, replied in bold. <3