My world or yours?

[Shining Raichu]

Going through this forum, I've noticed that there are a lot of threads that ask questions along the lines of "If Pokemon existed..." or "If you were in the Pokemon world..." and it got me thinking about how very different these two concepts are, even though they may seem the same in essence.

So my question is this: Would you prefer that a) Pokemon existed in our world, or b) we existed in theirs? Why do you feel this way?

Below are some potential talking points:

For those who choose a)

• How do you think the existence of Pokemon would change our world?
• What makes this finished result preferable to the Pokemon world we've come to know and love?
• Could Pokemon hypothetically be the answer to saving our world from the downward spiral it has been taking?

For those who choose b)

• Outside of the Pokemon themselves, what is lacking in our own world that you can only find in the Pokemon world?
• Why would having Pokemon in our world be insufficient?

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[Oryx]

The question that comes first to my mind is what you mean by Pokemon coming into our own world. Does that mean one day Pokemon just appear, or that they were always there? Are we assuming all else is the same, it's just Pokemon? Because honestly, I don't think anything would be the same.

I would still pick b) We exist in theirs. There's an essential difference between this world and that one, and it's that it was made to basically be safe for children. Have you ever heard of any fears about 10 year olds going on adventures in the Pokemon world? There's next to no real crime outside of the evil teams, which only seem to bother very specific people so normal trainers don't have to worry about it. Their Pokemon have free healthcare, they have free lodging and food. There's no worries about pollution or anything like that. They're carefree.

The people in the Pokemon world are just different. They're not full of cutthroat ambition, at the expense of everyone else, like so many people are here. Even the corporations seem to do what they do out of the love of the product, not the money like here.

 

[Master_Herbalist]

I could live with either, but I'd prefer B. Other than lacking pokemon, the world and time we live I don't believe we would appreciate what a god-send having them could be. I feel there would be alot of abuse and misuse having them in our world

 

[Oryx]

I could live with either, but I'd prefer B. Other than lacking pokemon, the world and time we live I don't believe we would appreciate what a god-send having them could be. I feel there would be alot of abuse and misuse having them in our world

That's an interesting opinion. What makes you think that a world with Pokemon to begin with would appreciate Pokemon more than a world that has lived without them for years and then just suddenly gained them? It's kind of like a poor person coming into money vs. a person always being rich, who would appreciate the money more, the person who never had it or the person who always had it?

Not necessarily disagreeing with your opinion, but why don't you expand a bit more :3 I'd like to hear more about what you think!

 

[Master_Herbalist]

True but a poor man who usually comes into money squanders it ;) The way I see it we have so many things equivalent to the idea of "pokemon", that we've always had available to us. Yet we always abuse that source, wither its animals,plants, other human beings.

Still, in the anime we do see teams rocket,magma,aqua etc abusing them as well. But most people in the show seem to hold pokemon too the standard of another human-being. I don't think our earth would be able to accept an animal like creature as an equal. Unfortunately

 

[CliveKoopa]

That's an interesting opinion. What makes you think that a world with Pokemon to begin with would appreciate Pokemon more than a world that has lived without them for years and then just suddenly gained them? It's kind of like a poor person coming into money vs. a person always being rich, who would appreciate the money more, the person who never had it or the person who always had it?

Not necessarily disagreeing with your opinion, but why don't you expand a bit more :3 I'd like to hear more about what you think!

People in the pokemon world appreciate pokemon more than real-life people appreciate animals. Everywhere you go in the pokemon world, the subject of pokemon is brought up.

 

[=(^.^)=]

How do you think the existence of Pokemon would change our world?

If pokemon appeared out of nowhere in our world...ooh...
That'd be pretty bad. We'd probably try to hunt them, killing them, seeing them as a threat at first. Then someone would gte the idea "Hey, we could use these magical creatures." The pokemon's powers would be horribly abused. Some intentionally for evil, and some supposedly for good, but...where's the line? You gotta remember, some of the worst things in the world have been done with the best of intentions. (So stole that line from Jurassic Park III, but it fits.) I don't think it'd be a very good idea for pokemon to appear in our world. Just in order to survive, they'd have to fight back. So many people and pokemon would die...it really would be war. People in our world just wouldn't be READY to handle pokemon. Too much greed, selfishness, ambition.

However, if we grew up with pokemon all along...that's a slightly different story, in my mind. We would be used to pokemon, having grown up with them. There would be people who wanted to abuse pokemon's power, sure, but there would be more people who'd fight that. Growing up with someone/thing makes them like family, and people can get very protective of family. So supposing a looong time ago, pokemon existed, then our ancestors would have seen the benefit of befriending and using the abilities pokemon have for good. Take numel, for example. It's pokedex entry says it helped with hard labor, right? It'd probably do the same in our world, too, taking the place of donkeys pulling carts, etc. So I think it'd be better for pokemon to have already existed in our world as far back as humans can remember rather than them being introduced to us now. It still won't be perfect, it'll still be pretty dangerous being a pokemon trainer, people could die doing it, but it'd be...better. Not good, just better.

What makes this finished result preferable to the Pokemon world we've come to know and love?

It doesn't. The Pokemon World is a better world, simply because of its almost-Utopian society. Yeah, every now and then you hear about 'dangerous criminals', but for the most part everyone is friendly. The world is a lot safer. It's almost like a cartoon...oh wait.

Could Pokemon hypothetically be the answer to saving our world from the downward spiral it has been taking?

They could, if people were ready for them. But people aren't ready for them...they'd abuse pokemon and just quicken our own demise.

Outside of the Pokemon themselves, what is lacking in our own world that you can only find in the Pokemon world?

Safety. Trust. The majority of people are kind and will help you if you need help. Lack of violent crimes such as murder. It's not a perfect world, but it's better than ours by far.

Why would having Pokemon in our world be insufficient?

We would horribly abuse their powers and basically ruin our world and ourselves in the process. Aside from the fact that I doubt we'd even be able to control them due to our lack of technology for such things, and most people won't want to befriend them, they'll look at them as dangerous threats. So who knows. Maybe some people would realize the good they could do, whilst others see all the power they could gain from using pokemon, and it'd end up a bloody civil war. Whatever would happen...it wouldn't be pretty.

 

[Oryx]

Mm, I definitely see where you're coming from. Even fans of the series do that sometimes, forget that in that world Pokemon are portrayed as having pretty much human being levels of intellect and compare the battling to stuff like dog fighting as if animals are the same thing.

I can see us not understanding and trying to use/abuse Pokemon, and instead of living harmoniously with them it turns into an all-out war of humans vs. Pokemon. xD

 

[aspie3000]

I think that there is violent crime, greed, and all of the evils of our world in the Pokemon world but it isn't touched upon because it's marketed to kids. Remember the the criminals in the manga. In Geovanni's battle with Red in the Viridian Gym he tried to kill Red more than once. You also had psycho's like the Elite Four that wanted to genocide the human race.

The Pokemon themselves aren't always even that nice and friendly stealing people's souls and kidnapping children. Wander into a rainforest and stumble upon a bunch of Victreebels without protection and you're never seen again. Then there's the ghost Pokemon (shivers). A lot of Ghost types feed on life energy from other organisms and there's nowhere you can run because they can go through walls.

In conclusion I think that the Pokemon world is just as dark as ours, it's just not touched upon.

 

[Shining Raichu]

The question that comes first to my mind is what you mean by Pokemon coming into our own world. Does that mean one day Pokemon just appear, or that they were always there? Are we assuming all else is the same, it's just Pokemon? Because honestly, I don't think anything would be the same.

For the sake of people who think as deeply as you do, just assume a vortex randomly appeared between the two worlds and you have the chance to pull all of us into their world or pull them here :P

And yes, the only change would be that Pokemon exist in our world. As to what other changes would be caused, that's a point of discussion :)


Also, I'd like to pose a question to the people who are saying we would abuse and mistreat Pokemon here in the real world: What makes you think that in the real world, Pokemon - creatures with greater power than we could ever possess - would let us control them? What's to say they wouldn't fight back and control us?

 

[Zeffy]

I'd choose B. Simply having Pokemon in our world, like the current state of our world, soon enough they would be extinct. The Pokemon world has a better chance of not letting that happen since everyone is devoted to Pokemon.

If Pokemon would come to our world though, I want them to come from a big egg which is what the Earth's core is...*fufufu*

 

[=(^.^)=]

Also, I'd like to pose a question to the people who are saying we would abuse and mistreat Pokemon here in the real world: What makes you think that in the real world, Pokemon - creatures with greater power than we could ever possess - would let us control them? What's to say they wouldn't fight back and control us?

Well, we as a species don't deal well with being controlled. If they fought back against our abuse, which they should do, then we'd try to beat them down. Both humans and pokemon would die. Like I'd said, it'd be war. We have our technology, they have their powers. I guess it'd all come down to whether or not we'd be willing to use our nukes, since I doubt we'd be able to have peaceful negotiations with them. We're too arrogant, thinking how superior we are to every other species. My vote goes to the pokemon wiping us off the planet, or at least driving us into some small part of our world where they keep us contained. That's what I think would happen.

 

[shengar]

I think that there is violent crime, greed, and all of the evils of our world in the Pokemon world but it isn't touched upon because it's marketed to kids. Remember the the criminals in the manga. In Geovanni's battle with Red in the Viridian Gym he tried to kill Red more than once. You also had psycho's like the Elite Four that wanted to genocide the human race.

The Pokemon themselves aren't always even that nice and friendly stealing people's souls and kidnapping children. Wander into a rainforest and stumble upon a bunch of Victreebels without protection and you're never seen again. Then there's the ghost Pokemon (shivers). A lot of Ghost types feed on life energy from other organisms and there's nowhere you can run because they can go through walls.

In conclusion I think that the Pokemon world is just as dark as ours, it's just not touched upon.

I have to agree with this person. When I'm imagining the Pokemon world, I always assume that pokemon can be as dark as our world. because what they portray in the main game and in the anime at least, are aimed for kids thus the world of Pokemon seem only to be filled by rainbow and happiness.
Though I prefer pokemon world not as dark as ours but not too light hearted as now.

For the sake of people who think as deeply as you do, just assume a vortex randomly appeared between the two worlds and you have the chance to pull all of us into their world or pull them here :P

That only cause big disturbance to our world! I imagine that chaos will happen everywhere. At the worst, many Pokemon will be exploited and used as living weapon. If I take the route that pokemon exist since dawn of humankind, it will be no different than Pokemon World.

Also, I'd like to pose a question to the people who are saying we would abuse and mistreat Pokemon here in the real world: What makes you think that in the real world, Pokemon - creatures with greater power than we could ever possess - would let us control them? What's to say they wouldn't fight back and control us?

Maybe that's the point we should tame and train them since baby? Or maybe out of respect? Because in some fiction where dragons have the intelligent level as near as human, they let themselves to be used by person they deemed worthy or by person who raised since dragonling. I think that will apply too, for dragon pokemon at least.

 

[Oryx]

I have to agree with this person. When I'm imagining the Pokemon world, I always assume that pokemon can be as dark as our world. because what they portray in the main game and in the anime at least, are aimed for kids thus the world of Pokemon seem only to be filled by rainbow and happiness.

What makes me say that it's still less dangerous than our world is this: imagine a 10 year old in this world telling their parents that they're ready to leave home and go on an adventure. No way the parents would allow this; the kid wouldn't be able to live on their own, and it's dangerous. But that doesn't cross anyone's mind in the Pokemon world, because it's not commonplace for 10 year olds to be in danger out alone.

 

[aspie3000]

What makes me say that it's still less dangerous than our world is this: imagine a 10 year old in this world telling their parents that they're ready to leave home and go on an adventure. No way the parents would allow this; the kid wouldn't be able to live on their own, and it's dangerous. But that doesn't cross anyone's mind in the Pokemon world, because it's not commonplace for 10 year olds to be in danger out alone.

Yeah,but you have to remember that the children have Pokemon guarding them. If my kid had a Charizard i'd feel better about them going on an adventure as well.

Also, you can't say that their world would be better than our world if it had Pokemon because the mere fact that they have Pokemon maybe the reason that crime isn't out in the open like in our world. I wouldn't try to rob someone if i'd have to deal with a Hydreigon.

 

[Oryx]

Yeah but you have to remember that the children have Pokemon guarding them. If my kid had a Charizard i'd feel better about them going on an adventure as well.

Yeah, and the potential kidnappers can have a Haxorus or a Salamence. That's like saying if you give a kid a gun, you can expect him to be fine in the real world; he can still be tricked and overpowered, especially since he's not the only one with access to Pokemon.

There's a lot implied by the fact that, despite all these terrifying creatures, a kid is safe enough to go on an adventure with little to no worry.

 

[aspie3000]

Okay, right but then there would be ramifications for messing with that kid like what the community would do to you. The Pokemon world could be like the olden days when you'd get lynched by the community for messing with the kid. And they all have Pokemon as well. Also I added a second point to my last post so feel free to check that out.

I would also like to add that I could be wrong on this as we have no idea how the Pokemon world really is.

 

[Oryx]

Okay, right but then there would be ramifications for messing with that kid like what the community would do to you. The Pokemon world could be like the olden days when you'd get lynched by the community for messing with the kid. And they all have Pokemon as well. Also I added a second point to my last post so feel free to check that out.

I would also like to add that I could be wrong on this as we have no idea how the Pokemon world really is.

Well, that helps my case. Saying that in the Pokemon world children are safe because they don't tolerate people that hurt children just proves the the Pokemon world is safer than ours, so not sure what you're getting at :P Now you're saying it's more than Pokemon, it's the community, which is what I'm saying too. And in regards to your last point, it's basically the same thing and can be answered the same way. There's less crime is what you implied, period. So you're backing up that it's safer, just disagreeing on the supporting reasons.

And no one really knows, this is just fun speculation. :3

 

[aspie3000]

Like I said in one post, the mere existence of Pokemon maybe what makes the Pokemon world safer. If that's the case, the existence of Pokemon in our world would make it better too. If the community does in fact lynch criminals, that could be good or bad. What if you were falsely accused?

 

[=(^.^)=]

Well, if I was the ten year old, I'd certainly rather have the Charizard than NOT have the Charizard. Even if I ran the risk of getting tricked, it'd be safer venturing out with pokemon than without. But I guess I'm wandering a bit off topic there, arguing semantics.

Even though we don't know exactly how the pokemon world really is behind the scenes (supposing, for a second, that the developers created a behind the scenes world that is far darker and more dangerous than the world they sell to kids) we can assume that it's still not that dangerous in the Pokemon World. Well, by humans anyway. There's still dangers just from exploring and meeting dangerous pokemon, but obviously incidents don't happen very often based on the hordes of ten year olds rushing off on their own adventures. Whether they show us the behind the scenes or not, it CAN'T be that dangerous there. Parents just wouldn't let their kids go on adventures alone like that if it was dangerous. I'm sorry, but...it just doesn't make sense.

/double ninja'd

But pokemon aren't existing in our world from the very beginning. They're being dumped here through a vortex. Humans won't be used to pokemon and pokemon won't be used to being treated how we'd treat them. We'd fight. There'd be a lot of violence. How's that safe?