Need advice on movesets & EVs for non-legendary team

robbman14

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    Here's what I have planned:

    Bold Charizard@Charcoal
    Blaze
    Flamethrower, Brick Break, Dragon Claw, Earthquake

    Brave Crobat@Leftovers
    Inner Focus
    Air Slash, Confuse Ray, Sludge Bomb, Shadow Ball

    Jolly Tyranitar@Blackglasses
    Sand Stream
    Focus Punch, Substitute, Thunderbolt, Crunch

    Mild Jynx@Lum Berry/Kasib Berry
    Oblivious
    Lovely Kiss, Psychic, Calm Mind, Ice Beam

    Timid Jolteon@Salac Berry
    Volt Absorb
    Agility, Thunder Wave/Substitute, Baton Pass, Thunderbolt

    Modest Kingdra@Scope Lens
    Sniper
    Draco Meteor, Surf, Focus Energy, Agility


    Let me know what you think, this is my first attempt at creating a competitive team so the movesets may be a bit off. Constructive criticism/advice appreciated.
     
    I'd love to help, because it is needed. Before I get into the movesets, I should point out you have no walls. Only Kingdra can take a hit on your team, and only one or two at that. After implementing some walls, this team would show improvement. Still, the movesets are flawed. You should choose either physical attacks or special attacks for one pokemon in most cases, that way the nature doesn't have to deduct from your defenses. Charizard would be much better with fire punch instead of flamethrower, or any physical fire type for that matter. I'll get to the others in a minute. The natures on your pokemon are terrible. Jolly on TTar is good, though. Just get rid of thunderbolt. Bold is horrid on Charizard b/c it deducts the most important stat of a physical cgharizard, its attack. What kind of sense does that make? Brave is bad for crobat, yada yada yada. Pretty much, the natures suck. Why does crobat have all special moves? Give it brave bird and hypnosis. Kingdra and jolteon have good natures too, but their movesets are lacking. Oh, items like charcoal are useless. USELESS. I also believe scope lens is banned in competitive play. A pokemon like aerodactyl that has a rock and ground type move and can outspeed your team would have a field day on your team. Defensively, and in many ways ofensively, this team is very weak. It is very fixable though, just needs better movesets and some walls. You can fix this. Better players than me can help you more, so I'm done talkin'.
     
    I appreciate the help guys. I'm aware that the natures on some of the Pokemon are terrible, but right now I can't really do anything about that because I've already trained them extensively and it would take quite a bit of time to breed them until they have the right nature and retrain them. I had a friend migrate the Pokemon from Fire red (Eevee, Tyranitar, Charizard, Seadra, Jynx, and Crobat). Also, can you suggest any Pokemon that would make a good physical wall?
     
    I'd love to (because he's my second favorite pokemon). Steelix! With maxed HP and Defense, this thing can take a few EQs. He can use stealth rock and learn EQ without using the TM (breed with a golem that learns EQ naturally). Relaxed + Gyro Ball is a splendid combo. Lots of power.
     
    Following up on what penguinpal said, Kingdra can be a physical or special sweeper. Give it rain dance if it has swift swim. If not, use...something else. I prefer physical kingdra because it can dragon dance in which case rain dance would be useless, even with swift swim. The movepool is kinda lacking, though...I think.
     
    Penguinpal, I'm not sure I understand. Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, and Surf are all special attacks but you suggest using either 2 special attacks or 1 special and 1 physical? Please clarify this for me.
     
    If Kingdra is a special sweeper I don't see how putting together 1 physical attack with 1 special attack makes any sense. It would be helpful if you could clarify, rather than just say what you already said.
     
    It might have something to do with draco meteor's power. Many people use overheat on physical fire types.
     
    If my Charizard is Level 72 and I use EV subtracting berries on it, would it be too late to EV train? I want it to be a physical sweeper but it's attack is way too low. If not, what nature would you reccomend? Here's the moveset I had planned, let me know what you think:

    Charizard@Leftovers
    (Advice on EVs would be nice. Attack would obviously be maxed out but I'm not sure about the others.)
    Fire Punch
    Brick Break
    Swords Dance
    Earthquake

    Fire Punch is unfortunately the best physical fire attack Charizard can learn but with STAB and Blaze it should be powerful enough.
     
    Charizard@Life Orb
    Adamant Nature
    EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Attack, 6 HP
    ~Swords dance/belly drum
    ~Fire Punch
    ~Aerial Ace (gets stab, is this physical?)/Brick Break
    ~EQ

    If it can learn stone edge I recommend it. Brick Break hits lots of those rock types hard. You would need to use swords dance to KO those things though because most rock types have stellar D. In other words, charizard can't take a hit. Salamence or garchomp are better physical sweepers, but charizard has cool points. You need to start EV training right when you get it. Every pokemon you fight gives EVs, the trick is knowing what pokemon to get EVs from (duh). Uh, yeah, that's my opinion.
     
    Would Tyranitar make a better physical sweeper then? I know you suggested Salamence and Garchomp but on my teams I like using just 1st and 2nd gen Pokemon, that's just what I do. I looked on the Serebii attack charts and its attack is right below Dragonite, and I'll be able to breed Dragon Dance to it as well. If not, then what 1st and 2nd gen Pokemon could you reccomend? I was thinking maybe Dragonite, but I don't know if I should have 2-3 flyers and 2 dragons on a team. Anyway thanks for the help everyone.
     
    Since both attack stats of Kingdras are equal, you can either make a special sweeper, or a physical sweeper(or a mixed, but it sucks bonslys).

    Physical Moveset:

    Draco Meteor
    Waterfall
    Dragon Dance
    Splash XD/Return

    Special Moveset:

    Dragon Pulse
    Surf
    Icebeam
    HP Electric/Toxic

    kk
     
    Tyranitar wouldnt be considered a sweeper: sweepers have to be FAST (ex. porygon-Z (special) Weavile (physical))
     
    That's what Dragon Dance is for. That, taunt, EQ, and Stone Edge. That is a pretty good sweeper/anti-(P)Hazer. Dragonite is a good sweeper with dragon dance. TTar can also be a physical (or even special, I guess...) tank.
     
    Here's my revised team, again, give me your opinion and change whatever you see fit:

    Adamant Charizard@Lum Berry with Blaze: Physical Sweeper
    EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
    Fire Punch
    Brick Break
    Dragon Dance/Swords Dance
    Earthquake

    Timid Crobat@Black Sludge with Inner Focus: Hazer/Annoyer
    EVs: 252 Speed, 252 HP, 6 Special Attack
    Haze
    Hypnosis
    Will-o-Wisp
    Shadow Ball

    Jolly Tyranitar@??? with Sand Stream: Physical Sweeper
    EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 Defense
    Dragon Dance
    Taunt
    Earthquake
    Stone Edge

    Relaxed Steelix@Leftovers with Rock Head: Physical Wall
    EVs: 252 Defense, 252 HP, 6 Attack
    Stealth Rock
    Earthquake
    Gyro Ball
    Rest

    Timid Jolteon@Salac Berry with Volt Absorb: Baton Passer
    EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 6 HP
    Agility
    Thunder Wave/Substitute
    Baton Pass
    Thunderbolt

    Modest Kingdra@Scope Lens/Wisdom Glasses with Sniper: Special Sweeper
    EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 6 Special Defense
    Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
    Surf/Waterfall
    Focus Energy/Ice Beam
    Agility

    One question about EV training, say I have two Pokemon with Pokerus, 1 is holding a power ankle, the other holding an exp share. The first Pokemon battles a Golbat, which gives out 2 speed EVs, and it comes out to 12 with Pokerus and the held item. Since the Pokemon holding the exp share gets the same EVs and they aren't split, would Pokerus double it to 24? Thanks for all your help guys.
     
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