Need Help on Gengar Moveset

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    I can't figure out what my last move for my Gengar should be.

    Gengar@
    ~Modest
    ~Levitate
    Moves:
    -Thunderbolt
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Shadow Ball
    -

    Any suggestions?
     
    Try a Destiny Bond. That way when you know its going to faint, you can take the last pokemon your fighting with you.
     
    Pro Bob said:
    I can't figure out what my last move for my Gengar should be.

    Gengar@
    ~Modest
    ~Levitate
    Moves:
    -Thunderbolt
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Shadow Ball
    -

    Any suggestions?
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    Hmmm... there could be a few options. First, I would bag Sludge Bomb. It's a STAB, but Poison isn't the best attacking type. Energy Ball is decent, and can take out Swampert. Hypnosis can be great, although (I know this from experience), Gengar has trouble pulling it off because of his piss poor Defenses. Psychic can also be helpful, or even Focus Blast.

    Or if you want to surprise your foe, go with a SubPunching Gengar:

    Gengar @ leftovers
    Lonely Nature (+Attack, -Defense)
    EVs: 252 Attack, 180 Speed, 78 Special Attack
    - Focus Punch
    - Substitute
    - Shadow Ball/Thunderbolt
    - Fire Punch/Ice Punch/Explosion

    This thing takes a while to get used to, but it is the ULTIMATE Blissey destroyer. Shadow Ball or Thunderbolt (while doing decent damage in itself) will lure Blissey into play, and Substitute up if Blissey has Ice Beam, or if it's non-Ice Beam Blissey, just use Focus Punch, and BAM, bye-bye Blissey.
     
    Pro Bob said:
    I can't figure out what my last move for my Gengar should be.

    Gengar@
    ~Modest
    ~Levitate
    Moves:
    -Thunderbolt
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Shadow Ball
    -[S-HIGHLIGHT]Destiny Bond[/S-HIGHLIGHT]

    Any suggestions?
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    take out sludge bomb (poison type attacks are horrible to use, even w/ though, STAB) , keep shadow ball for STAB
     
    Richard Steel said:
    Hmmm... there could be a few options. First, I would bag Sludge Bomb. It's a STAB, but Poison isn't the best attacking type. Energy Ball is decent, and can take out Swampert. Hypnosis can be great, although (I know this from experience), Gengar has trouble pulling it off because of his piss poor Defenses. Psychic can also be helpful, or even Focus Blast.

    Or if you want to surprise your foe, go with a SubPunching Gengar:

    Gengar @ leftovers
    Lonely Nature (+Attack, -Defense)
    EVs: 252 Attack, 180 Speed, 78 Special Attack
    - Focus Punch
    - Substitute
    - Shadow Ball/Thunderbolt
    - Fire Punch/Ice Punch/Explosion

    This thing takes a while to get used to, but it is the ULTIMATE Blissey destroyer. Shadow Ball or Thunderbolt (while doing decent damage in itself) will lure Blissey into play, and Substitute up if Blissey has Ice Beam, or if it's non-Ice Beam Blissey, just use Focus Punch, and BAM, bye-bye Blissey.
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    you know that punches are physical right? .. if you do why you wanna do it with its poor 65 attack? XD

    can genger really learn explosion? even if it can, i think destiny bond could be a little better


    ALL except that good suggestionz
     
    Nameless111 said:
    you know that punches are physical right? .. if you do why you wanna do it with its poor 65 attack? XD

    can genger really learn explosion? even if it can, i think destiny bond could be a little better


    ALL except that good suggestionz
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    Yes, and that's the point of SubPunching Gengar (often called "McIceGar", I think). With Lonely nature and Maxed EVs in Attack, he can do a hefty amount of damage with Focus Punch, and good damage with the Elemental Punches. Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball is there just to lure Blissey into play, which would then result in an OHKO with Focus Punch. And yes, Gengar can learn Explosion. When he's not gonna survive much longer, Explode for a possible OHKO on anything that doesn't really resist it.

    You rarely see this setup anymore, most people (like myself) go with a pure Special Sweeper set, but as I said, it's the ultimate Blissey destroyer, and along with Explosion it should take down another Poke before going down himself.

    EDIT: I think you mistook "Focus Punch" for "Focus Blast". This Gengar setup is meant to be a surprise physical variation of Gengar, and he's one of the few who can pull it off quite well.
     
    Richard Steel said:
    Yes, and that's the point of SubPunching Gengar (often called "McIceGar", I think). With Lonely nature and Maxed EVs in Attack, he can do a hefty amount of damage with Focus Punch, and good damage with the Elemental Punches. Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball is there just to lure Blissey into play, which would then result in an OHKO with Focus Punch. And yes, Gengar can learn Explosion. When he's not gonna survive much longer, Explode for a possible OHKO on anything that doesn't really resist it.

    You rarely see this setup anymore, most people (like myself) go with a pure Special Sweeper set, but as I said, it's the ultimate Blissey destroyer, and along with Explosion it should take down another Poke before going down himself.

    EDIT: I think you mistook "Focus Punch" for "Focus Blast". This Gengar setup is meant to be a surprise physical variation of Gengar, and he's one of the few who can pull it off quite well.
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    ah, i see what you mean :)

    but i still think destiny bond might be better
     
    i use a Gengar with Focus Punch + Substitute as well. i specifically thought it up because i hate blissey. i didn't know it was common XD
     
    question about Destiny Bond

    quick question about it. there were a few times that i used Destiny Bond and the foe got to me before i was able to use it. does it still work if you do it the round before, anticipating that someone is going to outspeed you the next round and take you down?
     
    Thanks for the help guys. What should I replace Sludge Bomb with if I take it out? Yeah I know about subpunch Gengar but I'm gonna stick with special sweeper. So far I have

    -Thunderbolt
    -Shadow Ball
    -Destiny Bond
    -?
     
    Pro Bob said:
    Thanks for the help guys. What should I replace Sludge Bomb with if I take it out? Yeah I know about subpunch Gengar but I'm gonna stick with special sweeper. So far I have

    -Thunderbolt
    -Shadow Ball
    -Destiny Bond
    -?
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    as suggested earlier, energy ball is a good one.
     
    Hmm.. What are the main uses for energy ball? I know that ground is super effective against Gengar but I have levitate. And there might be another move that has more use than Energy Ball and I can stick with neutral damage against Swamperts.
     
    energy ball is just an option. gives you better type coverage than sludge bomb. or you can go with giga drain. with his high sp.att it can recover significant hp with it.

    sludgebomb isn't great because it's only useful against grass types which aren't that common, and on the other hand many common steel types are immune to it(skarm, metagross, scizor, jirachi, etc). if you want stab you always have shadowball.
     
    Richard Steel said:
    Yes, and that's the point of SubPunching Gengar (often called "McIceGar", I think). With Lonely nature and Maxed EVs in Attack, he can do a hefty amount of damage with Focus Punch, and good damage with the Elemental Punches. Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball is there just to lure Blissey into play, which would then result in an OHKO with Focus Punch. And yes, Gengar can learn Explosion. When he's not gonna survive much longer, Explode for a possible OHKO on anything that doesn't really resist it.

    You rarely see this setup anymore, most people (like myself) go with a pure Special Sweeper set, but as I said, it's the ultimate Blissey destroyer, and along with Explosion it should take down another Poke before going down himself.

    EDIT: I think you mistook "Focus Punch" for "Focus Blast". This Gengar setup is meant to be a surprise physical variation of Gengar, and he's one of the few who can pull it off quite well.
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    Gengar can't OHKO blissey, Her HP is just way too high, and gengar doesn't get the stab, it'll just be more of a surprise than a blissey killer, kill her with it when she has low health.
     
    Paranoia said:
    Gengar can't OHKO blissey, Her HP is just way too high, and gengar doesn't get the stab, it'll just be more of a surprise than a blissey killer, kill her with it when she has low health.
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    I don't know about that... my Blissey just barely survives an un-STABed Cross Chop (by about 12 HP, to be correct), and that's base 100 power. Focus Punch is base 150 power, and I'd think with Lonely nature and max Attack EVs, Gengar could get the job done.
     
    yeah he's right richard. it does a little over 50% after leftovers recovery to any standard blissey. even with full attack evs, he just doesn't have the sufficient power to take out a blissey with over 700 HP. but it's still enough to take blissey out in two turns. you just have to be smart about it, especially if by any chance, it's a Calm Mind Blissey.
     
    Hmm.. either way I don't think I'm going to make my Gengar a Sub-Punching Gengar. Waht do you guys think of adding Focus Blast to Gengar? I know it's a risk if I miss, but it does cover Dark and Steel types. Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, and Focus Blast cover most types, if not all. Then I have Destiny Bond for backup. Overall, what do you think of

    -Thunderbolt
    -Shadow Ball
    -Focus Blast
    -Destiny Bond

    Off topic: So far my team has Gengar and Dragonite, would Infernape make a good addition?
     
    Pro Bob said:
    Hmm.. either way I don't think I'm going to make my Gengar a Sub-Punching Gengar. Waht do you guys think of adding Focus Blast to Gengar? I know it's a risk if I miss, but it does cover Dark and Steel types. Thunderbolt, Shadow Ball, and Focus Blast cover most types, if not all. Then I have Destiny Bond for backup. Overall, what do you think of

    -Thunderbolt
    -Shadow Ball
    -Focus Blast
    -Destiny Bond

    Off topic: So far my team has Gengar and Dragonite, would Infernape make a good addition?
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    I prefer Hynosis, and like Richard said before, Energy ball is such a good idea (Plus it OHKO swapert!)
     
    Samson said:
    yeah he's right richard. it does a little over 50% after leftovers recovery to any standard blissey. even with full attack evs, he just doesn't have the sufficient power to take out a blissey with over 700 HP. but it's still enough to take blissey out in two turns. you just have to be smart about it, especially if by any chance, it's a Calm Mind Blissey.
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    Eh, I trust a person who actually uses SubPunch Gengar. :p

    Although, it is the ultimate surprise; the enemy now knows that no one can really be sent to counter Gengar, since Blissey gets nailed with Focus Punch (Blissey and Gengar are arch enemies, as we all know).

    And yeah... for a pure sweeping Gengar, go with this:

    - Shadow Ball
    - Thunderbolt
    - Focus Blast/Hypnosis
    - Energy Ball/Hypnosis

    One of the last two can be replaced with Hypnosis, but as I said, Hypnosis on Gengar is tricky, with it's below average accuracy. Eventually you'll come across a situation where either it hits and puts the foe to sleep, or it misses and the enemy OHKOs you. I say if you do go with Hypnosis, use it with caution, so far as to try to only use it on predicted switch-ins, so if it does miss, it's no skin off your back, and Gengar isn't threatened with a KO.
     
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