Need help with sub punching gengar and others.

because, sleep + subs + focus punch = ownage.
 
Penguinpal6 said:
I hate physical Gengar, why would you SubPunch it?

Gastly can punch with its head if you haven't noticed.
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This Gengar i believe is a Skarm Bliss counter and is called MCIceGar, it was quite popular in the advanced days.

and Gastly punch with its head ??!! XD

Not one of Game Freaks better ideas, when Gyarados cant learn any flying moves =P

but, oh well im not complaining at least you dont have to get those moves from emerald onto Gengar etc.
 
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Yea, and even wierder, Mew can learn Steel Wing... 0.0

I wish I could do that.

Well Gengar's arms are still tiny(Haunter has no arms but 2 hands 0.0) and probably can't pull off a physical move. I hate this MCIceGar erm... w/e
 
Ohhh, THIS thread. Alright, my suggestions in BOLD

Mithos Kid said:
I need a good set for a sub punching gengar so far I got this:

Gengar@ Leftovers
lonley nature (Lonely is +Atk, -Def)
252 speed 152 attack 50 sp. atk

-thunderbolt
-hypnosis
-focus punch
-subsitute

This Gengar is kind of a catch-22... if you're maxing out Speed and using Hypnosis, I would suggest a Mild nature and Wide Lense (or whatever increases accuracy) but with having to use him more carefully, or just the old fashioned Leftovers. With a Lonely nature, like I said before, you'd want to totally max Attack so Focus Punch is a 2KO against Blissey. In this case, use Leftovers. Ice Punch could be given over Hypnosis, since Substitute can give you a free Focus Punch when played right. But Hypnosis works well too. All in all, I'd replace Hypnosis with Shadow Ball, or else something like Claydol (or a bulky Ground type) walls you to the point of no return.

Garchomp
jolly nature
252 attack 252 speed 4 hp

- fire fang
- Swods Dance
- earthquake
- dragon claw

Garchomp has been seeing a bit of reworking, to the point where even Skarmory fears him. It's called Chain Chomp, and Samson introduced it to me, and it's been backed up with a few personal experiences at Smogon:

Garchomp @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Naive Nature (-SpDef, +Speed)
252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 6 Attack
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance
- Fire Blast
- Draco Meteor

Or something like that. Perhaps a bit less Special Attack and more Attack, but with Swords Dance behind it, it's negotiable.
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I could be completely wrong about Chain Chomp, but it seems like it could work as is. Hope this maybe helped a little bit!
 
hey you found it! *claps hands* thanks, i'll go give these to Lahar... she does all my trainnig =]

oh wait she's on vacation =/ my turn ...
 
Wow, Gastly can punch?

Next time I'll actually check before saying that. I just assumed something with no arms couldn't punch anything. <_<
 
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