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new bans? (YGO)

It's all guessing, Mullet. Konami hasn't actually come out and said anything about what cards they are banning. it's all been insinuations and guess work.
 
From peopel guessing.

But anyway, you had told me over teh phone what teh ban will be like, straight form konami. I think you should inform these people that the should not sell their good cards like Frosty suggested because the tournament organize gets to choose wither or not to follow the ban, and that the cards on teh ban list will vary from month to month. meaning cards on teh list now, may not be ont eh list next month. Copy it straight form konami if you must. I figured you should give them the full details since you found them out.
 
Monthly ban/restruction changes? That's gonna be kinda confusing for most players...I guess it's better than nothing tho (btw, if you're in high-level tourneys, it's practically manditory that these bans areused).
 
Again, judging your local area as teh best. :\ (sigh) It seems to me, they would not have th ban for high level tournerys, because the duelists there will more than likely have plenty of those cardfs,a nd quite capable ofbuilding killer decks against each other with those cardsto create fantastic duels.
 
Naw. I think my area has its share of idiots. Of course, there are always high-level areas in most areas for sure. You don't know my area where the experts of magic hang (it's notorious...401...the type 1 tourneys and stuff). It's like that. I'm saying I hang in a high-level area, NOT my area being the best. Remember that Magic Pro Tours exist in more than 1 place in the world. They exist in MANY places even just in America and Canada. Like that, high-level areas can be found throughout the world. I just happen to be in one of those areas.

And from the expert voices of Wizards (give them credit, they did survive 2 dying moments of magic-known as "black summer" and "combo winter", which basically broken cards made the game unfun-and made it last 10 years, that's 7 to 8 more than YGO), "when there are cards that span in over 90% of the tourney decks, we take a good hard look at banning it." Really, Raigeki and HFDs are in 100% of the tourney decks. When that happens, it seems to me that the match is more boring. You KNOW what your opponent has and you KNOW that your opponent knows what you have. There's no excitement since anything else would just SUCK. I WANT to see decks having lower average power levels win for once. I want to see the field even between more than just 3 types of decks. Really, you NEED banning. Yeah, I support Edos all the way. Broken cards should ALWAYS be banned WITHOUT EXCEPTION.

I've been watching YGO and Magic games for a long time now, and I have to say that high-level magic games are just more entertaining than YGO before banning. You don't see a control player in YGO, you don't see key elements of a person clearly having the advantage NOT by just the count of life. In YGO, that's how you know who's winning 90% of the time. Post-banning, I can see how things have slightly changed. You can't rely on topdecking as much anymore, and control elements begin to show itself. The matches got MUCH more entertaining, as you can hear people cheer to some incredible tactical move that gave the person the upper hand (but not the victory). You just don't see that with raigeki blowing things up. You don't see that with HFDs. You don't see that with fiber jar annoying everyone.

Ending things off, here's my relations for decks:
The creativity of a deck is directly proportional to the amount of restrictions on it, including bans.
 
Kenny_C.002 said:
Naw. I think my area has its share of idiots. Of course, there are always high-level areas in most areas for sure. You don't know my area where the experts of magic hang (it's notorious...401...the type 1 tourneys and stuff). It's like that. I'm saying I hang in a high-level area, NOT my area being the best. Remember that Magic Pro Tours exist in more than 1 place in the world. They exist in MANY places even just in America and Canada. Like that, high-level areas can be found throughout the world. I just happen to be in one of those areas.

And from the expert voices of Wizards (give them credit, they did survive 2 dying moments of magic-known as "black summer" and "combo winter", which basically broken cards made the game unfun-and made it last 10 years, that's 7 to 8 more than YGO), "when there are cards that span in over 90% of the tourney decks, we take a good hard look at banning it." Really, Raigeki and HFDs are in 100% of the tourney decks. When that happens, it seems to me that the match is more boring. You KNOW what your opponent has and you KNOW that your opponent knows what you have. There's no excitement since anything else would just SUCK. I WANT to see decks having lower average power levels win for once. I want to see the field even between more than just 3 types of decks. Really, you NEED banning. Yeah, I support Edos all the way. Broken cards should ALWAYS be banned WITHOUT EXCEPTION.

I've been watching YGO and Magic games for a long time now, and I have to say that high-level magic games are just more entertaining than YGO before banning. You don't see a control player in YGO, you don't see key elements of a person clearly having the advantage NOT by just the count of life. In YGO, that's how you know who's winning 90% of the time. Post-banning, I can see how things have slightly changed. You can't rely on topdecking as much anymore, and control elements begin to show itself. The matches got MUCH more entertaining, as you can hear people cheer to some incredible tactical move that gave the person the upper hand (but not the victory). You just don't see that with raigeki blowing things up. You don't see that with HFDs. You don't see that with fiber jar annoying everyone.

Ending things off, here's my relations for decks:
The creativity of a deck is directly proportional to the amount of restrictions on it, including bans.
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Not all tourney decks have Raigeki and HFD so you can't say 100%. Like Pogi and he is pretty good. So in that case you are wrong. This is a thread about the ban list not for comparing or anything about magic. We came here to talk about the upcomming bans not to talk and listen about magic.
 
they day they banned Yata-Garasu is the day that i'll never set my eyes on a yugioh card ever again.
yugioh is boring without yata
i specialized in yata/hand deck destruction
now i don't even wanna look my eyes on a card
 
Blasty said:
they day they banned Yata-Garasu is the day that i'll never set my eyes on a yugioh card ever again.
yugioh is boring without yata
i specialized in yata/hand deck destruction
now i don't even wanna look my eyes on a card
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That's so sad do you need Yata that badly. You need him to win that badly. Can't you use something else.
 
Ugh. I was using Magic as an example of WHY bans should be used, which is the topic. -_-

And as you guys have already stated, "Only players with a lack of skill depend on something so uber." That alone means bans should be enforced and any sort of broken cards should be banned and continue to be banned without exception. Sure, Raigeki and HFD aren't used by 100% of tourney decks, but the percentage of decks that use them in the top PRO decks are 100%. Unless Pogi really has gone pro and is doing good, that's my stance.
 
Kenny_C.002 said:
Ugh. I was using Magic as an example of WHY bans should be used, which is the topic. -_-

And as you guys have already stated, "Only players with a lack of skill depend on something so uber." That alone means bans should be enforced and any sort of broken cards should be banned and continue to be banned without exception. Sure, Raigeki and HFD aren't used by 100% of tourney decks, but the percentage of decks that use them in the top PRO decks are 100%. Unless Pogi really has gone pro and is doing good, that's my stance.
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Poji is very good he really can't beat me but he can beat other good players.

It sounds as though you are obsessed with Magic, odsession is not a good thing.
 
Naw. Sometimes it's actually good to take examples from what you know best. I mean, I personally have a lot against Upper Deck itself and less against Wizards of the Coast. On the other hand, I LIKE Konami (and yes, their banning move was brilliant). As an old Chinese proverb, "the one who is not within the situation knows best." Since I'm not directly affected by the banning, I can take the time to analyze the data given to me. I can make connections to other things I've seen or heard before, and make a suitable opinion or decision about the issue. It's MUCH harder for people who have the raigeki and other banned cards to say, "you know what, Konami's right.". Instead, it's easier for them to just whine about it.

I mean it. Back in the day, I resented the fact that Sneasle from Neo Genesis was banned (owning them myself). With hindsight, I can see that it was the correct decision to ban this card to smooth out the environment. It's the same thing happening here. Upper Deck can take this chance to ban whatever's degenerate and smooth out the environment.
 
But I do wish to contineu this discussion. i tseems to me your implying that we aren't pros and that you ahve better insight into this than we do. i can assure you that bans are a good thing, but to keep them on teh ban list makes them nothign more than novelty cards. YOu mentioned that neo Sneasel, but even he couldn't stay gone forever. HE has been reborn as sneasel ex, with more hp and the same nasty attacks. It is healthier in my opinion for both new and experienced players to have a shifting ban. Maybe not once every month, maybe more like bimonthly or every three months. But it is all a good idea, Konami knows what it is doing. I may play some of those cards, but I can understand the ban, and a good player,like me, will have cards to take the place of teh banned ones. A changing ban means teh game is forever changing, meaning it is a lot more interesting and exciting than any other game on teh market.

That is all that needs to be said, and anything else wil lbe nothing but a rehash or argument against that.
 
Pogiforce-14 said:
But I do wish to contineu this discussion. i tseems to me your implying that we aren't pros and that you ahve better insight into this than we do. i can assure you that bans are a good thing, but to keep them on teh ban list makes them nothign more than novelty cards. YOu mentioned that neo Sneasel, but even he couldn't stay gone forever. HE has been reborn as sneasel ex, with more hp and the same nasty attacks. It is healthier in my opinion for both new and experienced players to have a shifting ban. Maybe not once every month, maybe more like bimonthly or every three months. But it is all a good idea, Konami knows what it is doing. I may play some of those cards, but I can understand the ban, and a good player,like me, will have cards to take the place of teh banned ones. A changing ban means teh game is forever changing, meaning it is a lot more interesting and exciting than any other game on teh market.

That is all that needs to be said, and anything else wil lbe nothing but a rehash or argument against that.
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Sorry if I've been a little harsh at times. Blasty's infectious behaviour get to me at random times. lol However, I do feel that I most likely have more experience in overall within all the TCGs and my relations to all other major TCGs could help me make likely more insight in TCG bannings overall (not just necessarily YGO. I could talk about Duel Masters/pokemon/magic bannings too.).

Okay. To start things off, I agree with you about the changing environment through shifts in bans. However, my actual reasoning back was that we should keep the broken cards banned rather than allowing them to shift in. It's true that if you keep shifting guys like cyber jar or MST in and out of the ban lists, it would keep the environment fresh and much more exciting (due to the lack of new sets coming out lately). However, I don't see how something insanely broken like raigeki should ever see the light of day within tourneys due to the straight fact that it's just too broken. Even if the card becomes novelty, it's already an iconic card (I'm saying that since the truly broken tends to be staples and usually come from the show, like mirror force or HFD) plus the fact that it's highly playable in all non-sanctioned events (iconic cards hold value for some reason. I've seen other banned iconic cards go for good money still). If you put something like that back out to the restricted list, it's going to mess up the environment again. That's why I feel you should keep the truly broken banned at all times whereas the "mistake" (these are the ones that are very good but not to the point of broken, like cyber jar or MST) cards can be subbed in and out of the banned lists to keep the environment fresh.
 
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