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Onimusha

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    Lapras (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 124 HP / 208 Def / 4 Spd / 174 SAtk
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    - Roar
    - Substitute
    - Thunderbolt

    I have no one to lead with :\ So I just lead with Pras. Bolt-Beam 101+ Subs and my PHazer.

    Aggron (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Rock Head
    EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 38 Def / 44 Spd / 96 SAtk
    Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
    - Fire Blast
    - Focus Punch
    - Rock Slide
    - Substitute

    Anti-SkarmBliss, FB 2KOs Skarm, FP has the ptoential to 1KO Blissey but most likely will need to be followed by Rock Slide. Outruns Blissey so it can Sub prior to getting T-Waved as well as outrun it to use RS before it can use Softboiled

    Dugtrio (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Arena Trap
    EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Aerial Ace
    - Earthquake
    - Hidden Power [Bug]
    - Rock Slide

    The 1st fo 3 CBers, this is where problems lie in my team. This also is an Anti-Bliss that works with the Zam below by trapping it so that it can't Softboiled / Bell / etc. HP Bug = Anti-bi, AA I use for Heracross and Breloom

    I'm considering dropping it for Trapinch since A) It's not OU B) ... ok there is no B). Trouble is - it isn't good for anything else except a possible Sleep Powder Trap done with Swellow's potential replacement

    Alakazam (F) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 200 HP / 252 Spd / 58 SAtk
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Fire Punch
    - Psychic
    - Trick

    Everytime I used Zam on previous teams Blissey came out and done its whore-dance (aka Seis Tossing and Softboiling). Trick immediately to catch it on the switch, then send out Duggy who obviously 2KOs it with EQ

    Swellow (F) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Guts
    EVs: 38 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Aerial Ace
    - Facade
    - Hidden Power [Fighting]
    - Quick Attack

    With the guts fix on Wisp this Pokemon has seemed alot more appealing than when I used to use it (tbh - it only every worked if I fast a Nido with my old 1) - Still, 3 CBers in 1 team (even if 1 is a TrickBander) - just doesnt seem like a good idea, suggested replacements?

    Gengar (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 216 Spd / 252 SAtk / 42 SDef
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Giga Drain
    - Ice Punch
    - Psych Up
    - Thunderbolt

    Tbh, this is a filler. I didn't want McGar since I already have 3 Pokemon working on counter-bliss, Psych Up is mostly a filler which has the potential to be handy but most likely won't be, again, replacements - ideas - etc. i only chose him to help Aggy with his 4x Weakness's
     
    Corrections in Bold, Comments in Itallics.

    Onimusha said:
    Lapras (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 124 HP / 208 Def / 4 Spd / 174 SAtk
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    - Roar
    - Substitute
    - Thunderbolt

    I have no one to lead with :\ So I just lead with Pras. Bolt-Beam 101+ Subs and my PHazer.

    Seems fine to me. Why 108 HP subs when you only need 101?

    Aggron (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Rock Head
    EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 38 Def / 44 Spd / 96 SAtk
    Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
    - Fire Blast
    - Focus Punch
    - Rock Slide
    - Substitute

    Anti-SkarmBliss, FB 2KOs Skarm, FP has the ptoential to 1KO Blissey but most likely will need to be followed by Rock Slide. Outruns Blissey so it can Sub prior to getting T-Waved as well as outrun it to use RS before it can use Softboiled

    I've never used Aggron =/ Once again, it's fine.

    Dugtrio (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Arena Trap
    EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Aerial Ace
    - Earthquake
    - Hidden Power [Bug]
    - Rock Slide

    The 1st fo 3 CBers, this is where problems lie in my team. This also is an Anti-Bliss that works with the Zam below by trapping it so that it can't Softboiled / Bell / etc. HP Bug = Anti-bi, AA I use for Heracross and Breloom

    Again, fine.

    I'm considering dropping it for Trapinch since A) It's not OU B) ... ok there is no B). Trouble is - it isn't good for anything else except a possible Sleep Powder Trap done with Swellow's potential replacement

    Trapinch can't do squat in Competitive. Although that base 100 attack isn't bad.

    Alakazam (F) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 200 HP / 252 Spd / 58 SAtk
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Fire Punch
    - Psychic
    - Trick

    Everytime I used Zam on previous teams Blissey came out and done its whore-dance (aka Seis Tossing and Softboiling). Trick immediately to catch it on the switch, then send out Duggy who obviously 2KOs it with EQ

    It's not that bad, but Gyarados screws you over since it'll Taunt, unless Trick still works in which case forget what I said anything about Gyarados.

    Swellow (F) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Guts
    EVs: 38 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Aerial Ace
    - Facade
    - Hidden Power [Ground]
    - Quick Attack

    With the guts fix on Wisp this Pokemon has seemed alot more appealing than when I used to use it (tbh - it only every worked if I fast a Nido with my old 1) - Still, 3 CBers in 1 team (even if 1 is a TrickBander) - just doesnt seem like a good idea, suggested replacements?

    The first correction I've had to make, HP Ground > HP Flying. Well for CB, you could use Heracross, Metagross, Dodrio...

    Gengar (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 216 Spd / 252 SAtk / 42 SDef
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - HP Grass
    - Ice Punch
    - Psych Up
    - Thunderbolt

    Tbh, this is a filler. I didn't want McGar since I already have 3 Pokemon working on counter-bliss, Psych Up is mostly a filler which has the potential to be handy but most likely won't be, again, replacements - ideas - etc. i only chose him to help Aggy with his 4x Weakness's

    HP Grass over Giga Drain IMO.
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    It seems a good enough team to me.
     
    Aggrons Sp.Atk is extremely low regaurdless of the Ev's ou put into it. And since some people will actually put Sp.Def Ev's on Skarm it will most likely have 3 Spikes out by the time it faints. So ditch FB and focus more on its low HP and make use of its high Defence.

    If Gengar can Giga Drain and beifit more from it, then use it rather than HP Grass. The rest of the team is fine to me.
     
    Well, Aggrons 2KO FB on Skarms (and in my experience few carry SD EVs) has been handy (mostly for scaring them off).

    HP Grass has yet to seem useful on Gar so far. Dunno about Pras's HP, I was just doing EVs and thought "Why not sub?" (corrects them)

    As of yet HP Fighting > Ground has been a lot more helpful, since it 2KOs that Ho Blissey who seems to be evading ALOT of my stoppage attempts
     
    If your counter to Blissey is Trick + Dugtrio why do you need a Aggron as a "Skarmbliss" counter?

    EDIT: Some people can't read the rules, and need to learn there are kids under 10 years old that visit this site. Learn to read, and don't be ignorant in my forum.

    This edit was brought to you by Toothache, keeping PC a troll-free zone!
     
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    those kids under 10 dont visit this portion, all they care about is 'omfg when is ash and misty going to kiss'
     
    Onimusha said:
    Lapras (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 124 HP / 208 Def / 4 Spd / 174 SAtk
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    - Roar
    - Substitute
    - Thunderbolt

    I have no one to lead with :\ So I just lead with Pras. Bolt-Beam 101+ Subs and my PHazer.

    Alakazam (F) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 200 HP / 252 Spd / 58 SAtk
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Fire Punch
    - Psychic
    - Trick

    Everytime I used Zam on previous teams Blissey came out and done its whore-dance (aka Seis Tossing and Softboiling). Trick immediately to catch it on the switch, then send out Duggy who obviously 2KOs it with EQ

    Gengar (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 216 Spd / 252 SAtk / 42 SDef
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Giga Drain
    - Ice Punch
    - Psych Up
    - Thunderbolt

    Tbh, this is a filler. I didn't want McGar since I already have 3 Pokemon working on counter-bliss, Psych Up is mostly a filler which has the potential to be handy but most likely won't be, again, replacements - ideas - etc. i only chose him to help Aggy with his 4x Weakness's
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    For Lapras concentrate more EVs into HP so I'd say drop some in def. and add them to HP, and Surf>Sub, and C-Ray>Roar, but that is just my opinion.

    Zam@Petaya Berry
    Nature:Timid
    EVs:252 Sp. attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
    Calm Mind
    Psychic
    T-punch
    Anotjher Elemental Punch/Recover (I kind of like Recover)

    Gengar@Lum Berry
    Nature:Timid/Modest
    EVs:252 Sp. attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
    Destiny Bond
    Giga Drain
    T-bolt
    Psychic

    That's my opinion, hope this helps!     :D
     
    give one of your pokes t wave or wisp or toxic or some status inflictor so bliss can therapy and then, sup trick

    otherwise its pretty useless imo
     
    Onimusha said:
    Well, Aggrons 2KO FB on Skarms (and in my experience few carry SD EVs) has been handy (mostly for scaring them off).
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    People put Def on something like Blissey, so at this point nothing should suprise you. Simply put Fire Punch on Kazam, because your are limiting the moves you can put on Aggron. Salamence comes out, D-Dances and then quakes you =\, you could switch to Lapras but it will take off a big chunck of it HP and then some other Pokemon comes out to finish it off.

    Princess of Oceans said:
    ... don't be ignorant in my forum...
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    Last I checked you had no power here ;).
     
    Spike Razzor said:
    People put Def on something like Blissey, so at this point nothing should suprise you. Simply put Fire Punch on Kazam, because your are limiting the moves you can put on Aggron. Salamence comes out, D-Dances and then quakes you =\, you could switch to Lapras but it will take off a big chunck of it HP and then some other Pokemon comes out to finish it off.

    Last I checked you had no power here ;).
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    Good point, it's awesome that Zam can learn all the punches. It makes him very flexable! :D
     
    Kadabra said:
    I'm just older, 11, and I know how to do sets and EVs o_O.
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    You are now officially cool. And no, I'm not being sarcastic
     
    So, for Zam, maybe reset it as:

    Zam@Lefties/Petaya

    Psychic
    TWave (lure in Blissey)
    Encore
    *insert E Punch here*

    but that feels a bit predictable since what kinda Zam Waves without a side tactic. Since I got Duggy n Zam on Anti-Bliss, who should I replace Aggron for (I.E someone to cover Sala), I've been using Rhydon in his place for lead lately

    Rhydon (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Lightning Rod
    EVs: 212 HP / 96 Atk / 198 Def / 4 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Focus Punch
    - Rock Blast
    - Substitute

    I still feel having 2 CBers seems a bit "odd" since this isn't a stall team, however I don't wanna lose Swellow since I've caught so many Weezings off guard and taken a wisp, although it takes 2 facades to KO some Weezings :S

    Aside from that I've made no proper changes (aside from minor EV adjustments and Fire Punch > Psych Up on Gar) since I can't find something you guys are 100% permanent on :S.

    That Rhydon probs needs replacing, since it has Bliss counter kinda set - RB is nice for those Jolty/Jask leads though
     
    My opinion is you have too many anti skamr-bliss pokes in your party.
    You only need 1.
     
    So you are trying lure out Blissey, who will T-wave you and then Encore it? I honestly can't see what your are trying to do anymore, all I can say if good luck when the time comes... Your seriously gonna need it.
     
    I don't see why you need T-wave on Zam anyway when he has Synchronise.
     
    I dunno what the hell I'm doing, I quit on this 1 to

    it seems the only way to do thigns today is a team of:

    Blissey, Snorlax, Skarmory, Weezing, Dusclops and Suicune

    So what I'm gonna od is Mimic them since that's what everyone on NB does and its become apaprent that the only thing I can do is the exact same *Is ****ed off - close this thread*
     
    fiesty. :*

    all you have to do is make a team that goes together, each of your monsters goes in a different direction, there is too many things going on here. dont lose your temper
     
    Shuckle said:
    fiesty. :*

    all you have to do is make a team that goes together, each of your monsters goes in a different direction, there is too many things going on here. dont lose your temper
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    It's hard not to, when yo usay "Unrated" and people don't pay attention it's as annoying as hell, not to mention when they use team cheapness with their colelction of stallers
     
    Get used to that. If you can't, stop playing.
     
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