Obama reaches out to Muslim world

[Fox♠]

we were never terrorrists and we will never be i dont know why anyone would ever think of us as

Because of the western media, that's why.
The big wigs never saw you as terrorists, they just needed a scapegoat so that they could invade Iraq.

 

[Esper]

And where are all the moderate Muslims who are publicly condemning their actions? There has been no push from Islam to bring out these terrorists hiding within their communities.

Where was the push from Christian churches in Kansas to bring out people like that man, Scott Roeder, who shot George Tiller? Western communities also have their share of extremists who are ignored or, worse, encouraged to commit acts of hatred based on their religious convinctions.

I loved the speech which he had included about Islam from the holy verses of Qura'n hmm i just heard that some of the Americans went protest him as America is very tolerant of Muslim world and as far as i know that Obama's father is a Muslim because his father has a Muslim middle name Barack Hussein Obama i dunt really hav idea though but some people believe and he was also born in a Muslim family check out Wikipedia for more.

Don't trust everything you read on Wikipedia.

 

[doesn't matter]

In their homes, cursing the US out for basically hanging a 'guilty' sign on them because of their religion, or maybe they don't exist...


*Shrugs* I honestly haven't a clue...

In my town, we have a mosque and a synagogue within a half of a mile of each other, and you know what? The Jews and the Muslims that go there simply do not fight the believers of the other religion, yet across the ocean, the Jews and Muslims can't wait to kill each other...

Must be the sand...

That's why we don't judge the people - we judge the religion itself. "Don't judge Muslims but the Islam you know, and don't judge Islam by the Muslims you know."

Jews aren't encouraged to wage war and Muslims aren't stupid enough to start trouble if there isn't enough of them.

Where was the push from Christian churches in Kansas to bring out people like that man, Scott Roeder, who shot George Tiller? Western communities also have their share of extremists who are ignored or, worse, encouraged to commit acts of hatred based on their religious convinctions.

Irrelevant. He was caught after 3 hours. Yes, but every other religion (and Western society itself, as evident through it's laws) does not encourage acts of violence. That's people causing trouble, not the society, doctrines or the beliefs of the people. Furthermore, the amount of violence caused by Westerners pales in comparison to violent acts done in the name of Islam.

Anyway, we're swinging way off topic, so here's something interesting I've found.

Obama quoted a Qur'an verse about waging war to argue for peace and shared interests

Foes of the global jihad are constantly accused of quoting the Qur'an "out of context," but when Barack Obama actually did so in Cairo yesterday, no one seems to have minded.

 

[Åzurε]

I have noticed that about Obama... They don't take his flaws seriously. Everyone (by which I mean the [mainly media-influenced] majority) had an issue with Bush, but the TVs appear to be on the big O's side.

Amachi, I agree with you on weighing Islam independent of the people who practice it. But that comment:

"...Muslims aren't stupid enough to start trouble if there isn't enough of them."

What exactly do you mean by that?

 

[Aurafire]

I have noticed that about Obama... They don't take his flaws seriously. Everyone (by which I mean the [mainly media-influenced] majority) had an issue with Bush, but the TVs appear to be on the big O's side.

Isn't it wonderful how the media distorts and bends the images of powerful people for its own agenda? =P

Well, I did not read the whole speech, but as with all Obama speeches, I'm sure it full of dressed-up words and false promises. Regardless, I do not think that the majority of Americans believe that Islam = Terrorism. Even after 9/11, while tensions may have been raised, people were smart enough to realize that Islam itself wasn't the problem, but a small group of extremists. Therefore, Obama's wish to create a new "relationship" between Muslims and Americans is rather pointless in my opinion. It's mostly so he can keep a favorable image.

 

[>Feelings<]

And where are all the moderate Muslims who are publicly condemning their actions? There has been no push from Islam to bring out these terrorists hiding within their communities.

You do realize the countries which are Islam based are normally poor?
There's nothing in their power that they could possibly do.
And they're most probably not hiding within their communities, but rather somewhere far away.

Of course they're self-interested - they have to consider the security and success of their own country first (and they have good reason to).

Of course. Anyone would do that, would they not?

So you're saying that it's America's fault that so much of the Islamic world hates them?

Yes.
Even though the muslim attack was done first, the Americans still didn't prove to be a good bunch when they attacked Iraq.

No, but your scriptures and holy texts allow for violence to be perpetrated against immoral infidels, and defines justice and innocence in different ways to the West.

You do realize for how long has these not been updated, don't you? They have the beliefs of the past written down on them, which tend to be primitive anyways. They're never updated since it's against their religion to change anything within it publicly, but a few of them do it anyways - often for the bad.

Do you know, when the things said in the Qur'an was first passed out, they were not written down? Instead, they were memorized and passed down from mouth to mouth, which means a whole lot of changes were done, which has mostly not been tributing to the good side of the religion. They were written down much later on.

Heck, those extremists even attack muslims. I know that since I've been in muslim communities for quite a long time - and have seen some extremists kill normal followers for not following Islam that strongly. For example, ladies were supposed to cover up every part of their body according to the religion - but in the modern times, those stupid parts of the religion will never be followed. Therefore the extremists use grenades to kill, and sacrifice themselves while killing even - they're that blind!

The verse I quoted, the Verse of the Sword, overrides all other verses in the Qur'an that precede it (chronologically).

I'd like to refer back to the age of Qur'an again. The modern muslim, that is the ones outside of Saudi Arab, are not like that. They won't even tell you to convert to their religion. I know a lot of muslims who got sick of some of the ways of their own religion, and don't follow it that strongly.

Furthermore, Muslims are obligated to perform Jihad (though if someone is already doing it then they don't have to), and to fight until the entire world is under Sharia law. Just to be clear however, I'm only talking about the doctrine - people are people, and they'll act however they want to act. But Islam is my issue here.

Yes, the religion has remained to be in its old ways for years and years.
But, like I said, the modern muslims are not like that.
Just a question - you don't hate people who follow Islam in general, do you?

I would honestly like to sit in your school and see what they teach you about your religion, cause it seems they even lie to you. You would be considered an apostate.

The school is doing a good job, I must say - by only making people learn the good sides of the religion. It's not a lie, but an attempt to remove the bad sides of the religion which come from the old perspective.

Have you really studied it enough? 1400 years of Islam says that destroying the West is alright.

Yes. I think I talked about the age of the religion too many times - and how the people are scared to change a word of it. Otherwise, it wouldn't say the same. The people themselves don't believe that destroying the West is justified either. They themselves are completely against it.

Racism? Islam isn't a race.

I wasn't talking about Islam in that particualr sentence.

Frankly, you could quote-mine any religious text (Torah, Bible, etc.,) and make it seem violent and terrible. For example, just read Leviticus, Chapter 20 in the Bible. Yeah. I would bet you that most Christians do not take that literally.

Yes, that was something I wanted to say too.