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[lolwut]

Well I made this team a while ago, but I finally decided to make an RMT for it. I tried to mix UU's into an OU team, and mainly tried to Cover other weaknesses in the team by having more then one poke just to cover each weakness. Well instead of explaining the team the whole day why don't we get down to how the actual team is constructed.

At a glance

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A closer look

Electrode @ Focus sash Pokeball
252 Atk / 252 spe / 4 HP
Static
Hasty (+ Speed, - Defense)
Explosion
Hidden power ground
Taunt
Thunderbolt
Here's the lead. For some reason I've always loved the electrode lead, Taunt the first turn, then either hidden power ground or t-bolt depending on what lead you're facing. If he's still alive late game i can come back to take someone out with explosion, or it even works on the lead after you taunt. 252 Atk is there to really do some damage with explosion, and the 252 speed evs are there to outrun almost everything except ninjask. 4 HP is there for obvious reasons.

Snorlax @ Leftovers Mcdonalds
140 HP / 152 Def / 216 spD
Thick Fat
Careful (+ SpDef, - SpAtk)
Curse
Rest
Earthquake
Crunch
Here's the spD wall/Late game threat. Crunch and EQ are just for coverage, Curse is obviously to setup, and rest is to heal when his HP is getting low. I'm not sure if i should replace leftovers with a lum berry as this set doesn't run sleep talk, or if i should get rid of EQ/Crunch to throw on sleep talk, because at the moment he's pretty much stuck when i use rest. 216 spDef evs are there for obvious reasons, And HP and Def are mainly there just So he can take a couple hits.

Ursaring @ Toxic Orb Pedobear
252 Atk / 252 spe / 6 HP
Quick feet
Jolly (+ Speed, -SpA)
Facade
Crunch
Close Combat
Swords Dance
Ursaring is my main physical sweeper. With quick feet, Jolly, and 252 speed evs, Ursaring's speed reaches 343. He may be a NU poke, but he's even a force to be reakoned with in OU. A STAB'd Facade does a lot of damage, and anything facade can't hit, Close combat/Crunch deals with. Swords dance is there for the extra boost which makes Ursaring almost unstoppable. 252 Atk/ Speed evs are there for obvious reasons. Not much to explain here.

Gengar @ Leftovers Arceus
252 SpA / 252 spe / 6 HP
Levitate
Timid (+ Speed, -Atk)
Hidden power Fire
Shadow ball
Substitute
Focus Blast
Gengar is my main special sweeper. Subgar really hurts after it's got a sub up and Shadow ball/focus blast do A lot of damage. Hidden power fire is mainly there for coverage, and substitute is there for obvious reasons. 252 spA / 252 spe are there for obvious reasons. Leftovers helps with the substitute. Not much to explain here, pretty standard.

Donphan @ Leftovers Rick Roll
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Atk
Sturdy
Impish (+ Def, - spA)
Rapid spin
Earthquake
Stone edge
Stealth rock
Donphan is on the team purely for support purposes. Leftovers is there for obvious reasons, 252 Def / HP evs so he can take some hits, and 4 Atk evs to still do some damage as well as taking hits. Impish is standard for donphan. Rapid spin is to take away any entry hazards, And i can set up SR later in the game since my lead doesn't run it. Stone edge and EQ are there for coverage.

Gyarados @ Leftovers Gayraydos
156 HP / 108 Atk / 100 Def / 144 Spe
Intimidate
Adamant (+ Atk, - spA)
Dragon dance
Waterfall
Stone edge
Taunt?
Gyarados is my main bulky water, and covers some of the weaknesses in my team really well. Leftovers is there for obvious reasons, and the ev spread is for the standard bulkydos. Dragon dance for boosting, Waterfall and stone edge for coverage, and honestly im not too sure about taunt how it fits into my team.. But overall there isn't much to explain here.

The first thing i do when building a team is pick a lead. I considered at first having an SR/Support lead, but i started to think nah that's too overused so i think ill run an UU taunt lead. There aren't really many options in that category so pretty much the first thing that came to my mind was electrode.

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Second thing i thought of was having a special wall/late game threat. I always wanted to use a curselax in one of my teams so he was the first thing that i thought of.

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Now that i had a lead and a special wall/late game threat, i needed to think of a main physical sweeper. I like to be different when i make teams, so i looked through the NU tier. I saw that ursaring was a big threat with quick feet so i automatically added him to my team.

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Well now that i had a lead, physical sweeper, and a special wall, i needed to think of a special sweeper. Gengar was the first thing that came to my mind as i had a pretty large fighting weakness.

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After picking gengar, i had a lead, physical sweeper, special wall, and special sweeper. I decided that i needed some support. Donphan was one of my favourite pokes, so that was an easy descision seeing as how he can learn stealth rock and rapid spin.

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I had one last team member to pick, and i really needed a physical wall/some coverage for my weaknesses. Bulkydos seemed to be an extremely good choice and really finishes off my team so he was an obvious descision.

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Well not much left to say, rate away.​

 

[Anti]

Lots of weakness. Sub Machamp, Heracross, Gyarados, Salamence, Bullet Punch Lucario, Flygon, Kingdra, SD Infernape, Specs Latias, Mamoswine, Suicune...all cripple or flat out destroy your team. You have the biggest Fighting weakness I have ever seen...basically Close combat + Stone Edge means you lose unless you can revenge kill, and your team is rather slow to be doing that. You're relying on stuff with no recovery like Donphan and Gyarados to check key threats like Tyranitar and Scizor...not good.

First of all, the lead Electrode has got to go. The fact that you used it because other leads were "too OU" kind of speaks to my point lol. Hidden Power Ground does pitiful damage to everything...it doesn't even 2HKO lead Heatran (Shuca Berry). That just sucks. Since it's not doing anything and it's ineffective, get rid of it.

Next we have Donphan, the epitome of useless. Starmie, Forretress, and even Tentacruel are far better Rapid Spinners. Starmie has recovery to deal with initial Toxic Spikes damage, and the other two aren't even affected by it. Donphan also loses to virtually every spin blocker; even Gengar can usually come in and own it, basically. This too needs to be replaced.

Next off, I would replace either Snorlax or Ursaring. Snorlax couldn't sweep a chocolate chip cookie, and Ursaring is easy to revenge kill. Honestly, I think offensive or CB Snorlax would cover both roles in one, and you're in need of the team slot.

That leaves Gengar, Snorlax, and Gyarados. Your three replacements should set up Stealth Rock (one of them, not all three obviously) and should cover most of your weaknesses at least fairly well. Once your defensive core has stabilized somewhat, this team will be easier to make better. But right now, it's basically metagame weak and needs a major overhaul.

 

[lolwut]

You have the biggest Fighting weakness I have ever seen..

Sorry but.. LOLWUT

I guess you didn't see a donphan (not resisted but can deffinetly take a fighting type hit) gengar, gyarados..

 

[Dark Azelf]

I dont get the cune weak or the fighting weak thing, but w/e. Anti is right for the most part though.

Also Snorlax without a STAB move is a joke btw.

 

[lolwut]

I dont get the cune weak or the fighting weak thing, but w/e. Anti is right for the most part though.

Also Snorlax without a STAB move is a joke btw.

'Realize that, it was taken out i just forgot to change the description

 

[Anti]

Ugh, you do have a Fighting weakness? You have no good switch-in to Heracross at all, and nothing on your team actually deals it a decisive blow revenge killing besides perhaps Gengar's Hidden Power, but that's about it. As mentioned, Bullet Punch Lucario steamrolls you, and if Gengar dies to Pursuit/being a frail and easy target, any Lucario does. Keep in mind that it can always Stone Edge your Gengar switching in, which means you lose for sure. Sub Machamp has a very good chance of beating Donphan and your Fighting checks both get run over. Infernape weakness is actually pretty manageable and not a huge worry, but losing to Heracross, Lucario, and Machamp is what I would call Fighting weak. When you're relying on one of the frailest Pokemon in the game, a Rock weak, SR weak, SS weak Pokemon with no recovery, and a really horrible Rapid Spinner that doesn't even resist Fighting attacks to beat Fighters, you are at best walling them temporarily.

So yeah, I did in fact see your team and useless Donphan, but instead of wasting your time contradicting a small part of my rate, you should really worry about fixing your team lol. You have a ton of weaknesses to fix still >_<

And Suicune is a legit threat to this team. Offensive Cune has a very high chance of 2HKOing Snorlax with Hydro Pump, but more importantly, Snorlax's lack of STAB makes hurting Suicune hard. Also, SR wearing down Gyarados makes the defensive sets also hard to take on, though it's not insurmountable. Probably more of an orange threat than a red threat to be honest, but it's not like this team deals with it easily.

But nitpicking aside, you still need to address your needs. This team is just a disaster waiting to happen, whether or not it's Suicune/Fighting-type weak.

 

[Sebastien Loeb]

Looking at the team a SD-Luke in combo with Stealth Rock alone it destroys the whole team.

 

[Malicious Metang]

I don't understand the purpose of this team. It seems you're trying to make a Curselax / DD Gyarados sweep, but you do very little to stop their counters / checks. A Machamp can absolutely ruin you with Substitute in-tact (easy to get off, as things like Snorlax provide safe-switch ins constantly). Payback on the switch will kill Gengar, you're safest bet against Machamp's Dynamicpunch, and Gyarados fails to do noticable damage with Waterfall that's unboosted and coming off a slightly less offensive build. A Dynamicpunch + Stone Edge will cripple Gyarados to the point where it is ineffective, and once that happens, things like Scizor will completely screw you over. Let's not forget that you have no defense against Suicine, who will set up on Snorlax with even a Curse up and can deal an average of 45% with Hydro Pump while you fail to do anything noticable with Earthquake or Crunch. You will have to rely on Ursaring to KO Suicune, but at that point most of your team will likely be weakened (unless you attempt to take on a near full HP Suicune, which takes an average of 64% from Facade and dies to Hydro Pump). If you end up losing Ursaring, then things like Lucario with Bullet Punch will kill you effortlessly. Opposing Life Orb Gengar are very troublesome, as if they catch you on the switch with Focus Blast, Snorlax is 2HKOed 100% of the time with Stealth Rock. Your Gengar is outsped and OHKOed, and the rest of your team basically dies to it, as Ursaring fails to outpace Gengar even with the Quick Feet boost.

First off, replace Electrode and Donphan. They're completely outclassed and are relatively useless for a team that has trouble with bulky Waters and Fighting-types. Replace Electrode with something that can actually lead. A Swampert can cover Donphan's role and also lead well. With Swampert you also don't have an Agility Metagross weakness, and can Roar things like Baton Pass chains. If you're using any set, use the following:

Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpD

~Earthquake
~Stealth Rock
~Ice Beam
~Roar

You know have an open slot left, so I would consider adding something to take this massive Fighting + Suicune weakness off your hands. An offensive Celebi could work, as it will outrun Lucario and Suicune and can KO them with Earth Power/Hiden Power Fire and Leaf Storm respectively. Celebi also deals with Gyarados's counters, such as Vaporeon, Porygon2, and even opposing Celebi. Recover can be used if you would like a longer lasting Celebi:

Celebi @ Life Orb
82 HP / 176 Spe / 252 Spe

~Leaf Storm
~Psychic
~Earth Power / Hidden Power Fire
~Recover

Please note that if you use HP Fire, running 82 HP / 182 Spe / 246 SpA will let you outrun Jolly Lucario as well as maintaining bulk. If you do run Hidden Power Fire, you could potentially remove it from Gengar, as Celebi is somewhat of a Scizor lure itself. I've used this set to success on all of my good teams, so no, this is not theorymon. I've tested and used it extensively =)

If you add these changes, then you'll notice you have a rather gaping Gengar weakness. To remedy this somewhat, you could change Snorlax into a Choice Band Lax with Pursuit or even turn Ursaring into a Swords Dance Scizor. Both of these changes will make it easier for your team to handle Gengar, the former of which will remove the threat indefinately:

Snorlax @ Choice Band / Leftovers
Adamant
252 Atk / 252 SpD / 6 Def

~Return / Body Slam
~Fire Punch
~Earthquake
~Pursuit / Selfdestruct

Scizor @ Life Orb
Adamant
32 HP / 252 Atk / 224 Spe

~Swords Dance
~X-Scissor
~Bullet Punch
~Superpower

Your team lineup could look like either of these two:

Swampert / CB Lax / Ursaring / Gengar / Celebi / Gyarados

or

Swampert / Snorlax / SD Scizor / Gengar / Celebi / Gyarados

Good luck!

 

[Ooka]

Just figured I'd comment, like Anti said, CC + SE kills you basically, besides Donphan which will die to just about everything else.

You're also Status weak, say hai WoW. I suppose Lax can take it, but that still means he has to waste 2 turns to be able to attack again. :/

 

[lolwut]

Scizor @ Life Orb
Adamant
32 HP / 252 Atk / 224 Spe

~Swords Dance
~X-Scissor
~Bullet Punch
~Superpower

Just thought id mention, CB scizor would fit in better. But anyways i already have a rebuilt team with help on serebii and ill post it in a bit

 

[Malicious Metang]

Just thought id mention, CB scizor would fit in better. But anyways i already have a rebuilt team with help on serebii and ill post it in a bit

I know it's not really important...but what's the point of this post. Did you just decide to ignore all of my advice and to make a meaningless post that doesn't contribute to your team nor my rate whatsoever? It makes me almost regret deciding to help you and your team, since it's obvious you haven't taken any suggestions and are ignoring anyone trying to help you. I know this rant is probably uneccesary, but if I didn't get this out I don't think I would've felt right.

Anyway, you have to get rid of Electrode and Ursaring. They really are terrible in standard play, and are submitted to the lower tiers for a reason. You may feel creative or even...superior for using lower tiered Pokemon, but it doesn't make you any different. It just means your opponent has an easier time winning. That Snorlax set has to be changed, as a STAB-less Snorlax is a terrible Snorlax. Body Slam + Fire Punch works best, because it's not like Heatran is gonna do anything to you, and is pure Curse-bait. Donphan was retarded in early DP and it is moreso now in late Platinum. It doesn't do anything and basically asks for things like Gyarados (even WITH Stone Edge) to just set right up and start annihilating your team.

Once you get rid of these terrible additions, you can THEN make a team that won't get destroyed by any well constructed OU team. Please take this as constructive criticism.

 

[lolwut]

I know it's not really important...but what's the point of this post. Did you just decide to ignore all of my advice and to make a meaningless post that doesn't contribute to your team nor my rate whatsoever? It makes me almost regret deciding to help you and your team, since it's obvious you haven't taken any suggestions and are ignoring anyone trying to help you. I know this rant is probably uneccesary, but if I didn't get this out I don't think I would've felt right.

Anyway, you have to get rid of Electrode and Ursaring. They really are terrible in standard play, and are submitted to the lower tiers for a reason. You may feel creative or even...superior for using lower tiered Pokemon, but it doesn't make you any different. It just means your opponent has an easier time winning. That Snorlax set has to be changed, as a STAB-less Snorlax is a terrible Snorlax. Body Slam + Fire Punch works best, because it's not like Heatran is gonna do anything to you, and is pure Curse-bait. Donphan was retarded in early DP and it is moreso now in late Platinum. It doesn't do anything and basically asks for things like Gyarados (even WITH Stone Edge) to just set right up and start annihilating your team.

Once you get rid of these terrible additions, you can THEN make a team that won't get destroyed by any well constructed OU team. Please take this as constructive criticism.

Actually in my post i mentioned how you made a completely useless post seeing as how people above you already mentioned things that you just pointlessly changed around and made worse.. Also STAB-less snorlax is better then a STAB snorlax? lolwut i don't know where you get your logic from tbh. I also mentioned how I HAVE A DIFFERENT TEAM WHICH IM PUTTING UP IN A SECOND. Sorry if you can't read, its okay.

 

[Malicious Metang]

Actually in my post i mentioned how you made a completely useless post seeing as how people above you already mentioned things that you just pointlessly changed around and made worse.. Also STAB-less snorlax is better then a STAB snorlax? lolwut i don't know where you get your logic from tbh. I also mentioned how I HAVE A DIFFERENT TEAM WHICH IM PUTTING UP IN A SECOND. Sorry if you can't read, its okay.

I stated what they stated because this team is in need of serious help, and the suggestions I mentioned were necessary to fix your team, which currently is absolutely awful. And accusing me of being unable to read is ridiculous, seeing as I said "a STAB-less Snorlax is a terrible Snorlax". You're the one who is using a STAB-less Curselax with Crunch + Earthquake.

As for the rest of your post, posting a second team doesn't have ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR CURRENT TEAM. I can use CAPS to divert your attention to my point too, which you so blatantly disregarded and decided to ignore just to spout out more useless rants that were basically insultive to the people trying to help you.

Take my suggestions if you want to win, otherwise keep your current lineup and your idiotic attitude and continue to lose more matches.

 

[lolwut]

I stated what they stated because this team is in need of serious help, and the suggestions I mentioned were necessary to fix your team, which currently is absolutely awful. And accusing me of being unable to read is ridiculous, seeing as I said "a STAB-less Snorlax is a terrible Snorlax". You're the one who is using a STAB-less Curselax with Crunch + Earthquake.

As for the rest of your post, posting a second team doesn't have ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR CURRENT TEAM. I can use CAPS to divert your attention to my point too, which you so blatantly disregarded and decided to ignore just to spout out more useless rants that were basically insultive to the people trying to help you.

Take my suggestions if you want to win, otherwise keep your current lineup and your idiotic attitude and continue to lose more matches.

All i have to say is; lolwutnoobgetoutplease

DA/Anti can you lock this?

 

[Anti]

All i have to say is; lolwutnoobgetoutplease

DA/Anti can you lock this?

Sure.

But before I do, I'll tell you that if you're going to post a team, come in with an open mind next time. You'd think that someone who has already been temporarily banned would get the picture that acting like a know-it-all, especially when you're being that way to somebody who is giving you very good advice, is a really terrible idea. The fact that you mocked him for not reading your post when it was quite the opposite and that when he counters your ridiculousness with logic you just call him a noob tells me that your ban didn't teach you a whole lot. Enjoy your infraction ^_^

Locked

 

[Dark Azelf]

Really this thread suck so much, it hurts just looking at it.

I was planning on locking it anyway for the respect of my forum and its viewers.

And btw Slowpokez, i suggest you do not disrespect members. Calling him a noob is uncalled for so you get an infraction kthnx. :/

~Thread Closed~


EDIT: Beaten, damn.