OU Team...-.-

[Marcy_11]

Do you think its possible to beat the OU team using UU? Im getting sick of Metagross, Garchomp, Alakazam, Gengar, Blissy, Tyranitar and the rest

Do you think its even worth trying??

 

[Toothache]

Absolutely. It's by no means easy, but certainly possible if you build your Pokemon the right way.

Pokes to consider include Gliscor, Pinsir, Steelix. There's plenty of other lesser used Pokemon that can easily hold their own, although the OU Pokemon tend to have more tricks up their sleeve.

 

[Alter Ego]

Nyu, of course UU can beat OU. In fact, some OU teams are so focused on OU countering that they leave huge UU weaks to exploit. It really calls for some good playing skills and a well though-out team, though; unless your opponent is a complete nimrod in which case anything goes. :3

Oh, and last I checked Steelix was OU (Not 100% sure about Gliscor, but I've seen it on OU teams as well), so you should probably discount that from your plans. If Tyranitars aren't barging in left right and center then you could also consider Shedinja since Wonder Guard lets you wall a lot of sweepers (most notably boltbeamers like Porygon Z and Starmie), but that really calls for Spinner support because any of the given Spikes screw it over.

 

[Toothache]

To be fair I'm not familiar with the 4th gen tiers as of yet (D/P is only released here a week Friday). I'm just extrapolating from the 3rd gen tiers. Gligar tended to dominate UU teams in Advance, so Gliscor seems an ideal choice for a lesser used but still deadly idea.

 

[Alter Ego]

To be fair I'm not familiar with the 4th gen tiers as of yet (D/P is only released here a week Friday). I'm just extrapolating from the 3rd gen tiers. Gligar tended to dominate UU teams in Advance, so Gliscor seems an ideal choice for a lesser used but still deadly idea.

Well yeah, I'm just saying that 1) Steelix will most likely remain OU or BL since it not only wreaks havoc with Gyro Ball and Ice Fang/Thunderfang (Not to mention that its craptacular Speed makes it a Trick Room team favourite) but is also one of the few physical walls that still wall something, and 2) Gliscor's abilities - and statline - are a bit high-end and so it may very well end up OUifed.

Anyways, if you plan on countering OUs then two serious threats you should deal with are Rhyperior (the mother of all walls) and Garchomp (Uberly strong sweeper type) as both are dead standard in 4th generation OU. One amusing little counter is definitely FEAR (Short for Freakin' Evil Annoying Rodent):

Rattata @ Focus Sash
Level: 1 (Yes, the level matters)
Trait: Guts
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd) - doesn't really matter, though.
Endeavor
Quick Attack

So basically it's level one to assure that Endeavor will hurt a lot (and that it will be outspeeded) and since it has Focus Sash on it means that it will survive any one hit from a sweeper that tries to KO it, drop it to one HP with Endeavor and then KO it with Quick Attack. There's also an improved version using the same principle on Phanphy, but with Ice Shard instead of Quick Attack. Simple, and guaranteed to KO at least one opponent if used right. :3

 

[Marcy_11]

Well yeah, I'm just saying that 1) Steelix will most likely remain OU or BL since it not only wreaks havoc with Gyro Ball and Ice Fang/Thunderfang (Not to mention that its craptacular Speed makes it a Trick Room team favourite) but is also one of the few physical walls that still wall something, and 2) Gliscor's abilities - and statline - are a bit high-end and so it may very well end up OUifed.

Anyways, if you plan on countering OUs then two serious threats you should deal with are Rhyperior (the mother of all walls) and Garchomp (Uberly strong sweeper type) as both are dead standard in 4th generation OU. One amusing little counter is definitely FEAR (Short for Freakin' Evil Annoying Rodent):

Rattata @ Focus Sash
Level: 1 (Yes, the level matters)
Trait: Guts
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd) - doesn't really matter, though.
Endeavor
Quick Attack

So basically it's level one to assure that Endeavor will hurt a lot (and that it will be outspeeded) and since it has Focus Sash on it means that it will survive any one hit from a sweeper that tries to KO it, drop it to one HP with Endeavor and then KO it with Quick Attack. There's also an improved version using the same principle on Phanphy, but with Ice Shard instead of Quick Attack. Simple, and guaranteed to KO at least one opponent if used right. :3

Wow that is really cool
I think i actually might try that

 

[Nightofshadow]

I wouldnt try that ratatta combo. Too many ways to stop it.

As for your question. I play a UU team and i beat OU teams quite a bit. Its possible but as stated already, its pretty hard to do. You gotta be on top of your game

 

[Alter Ego]

I wouldnt try that ratatta combo. Too many ways to stop it.

As for your question. I play a UU team and i beat OU teams quite a bit. Its possible but as stated already, its pretty hard to do. You gotta be on top of your game

Phanphy is slightly less perilous since it's Sandstorm immune and hits ghosties, but yeah it calls for some support. Subpassing from a high-HP pokémon is best since it covers your switch-in. I just found the principle so amusing that I thought I should mention it. xD How is it 'too easy to stop', though? With that set you're pretty much bound to drop an opponent or two to critical HP (since there's no way to OHKO the Phanphy version). It's meant to be sent in against sweepers (though not as a conventional switch-in, since you need Focus Sash for the turn you Endeavor).

 

[Nightofshadow]

subpassing doesnt stop stealthrock or spike damage at all. So that kinda is invalid.

 

[Alter Ego]

subpassing doesnt stop stealthrock or spike damage at all. So that kinda is invalid.

Because obviously we don't use spinners. :O Also, Stealth Rock and Spikes are still percentage damage and we're still talking a level 1 pokémon, meaning that you'll drop the opponent to nearly one HP even without triggering the Focus Sash and you'll still have the sub to absorb a hit for the Endeavor.

 

[Nightofshadow]

I know how the combo works. What i am saying is, There are just too many ways to stop it. For instance. Sandstorm and hail completely destory the option due to its damaging effects. Focus sash no longer works under those conditions. Stealthrock and spikes own that strategy because you now have to make a rapid spinner on your team. Now that sounds great on paper sure. But it isnt great by any means. So now you need a weather changer AND a rapid spinner on your team. Not to mention, VERY few of those spinners actually do a good job spinning. Not worth the time or effort

 

[Alter Ego]

I know how the combo works. What i am saying is, There are just too many ways to stop it. For instance. Sandstorm and hail completely destory the option due to its damaging effects. Focus sash no longer works under those conditions. Stealthrock and spikes own that strategy because you now have to make a rapid spinner on your team. Now that sounds great on paper sure. But it isnt great by any means. So now you need a weather changer AND a rapid spinner on your team. Not to mention, VERY few of those spinners actually do a good job spinning. Not worth the time or effort

Ummm...yeah, one: you don't need a weather changer because Phanphy is Sandstorm immune and no-one who knows anything about strategy (I.e. the people you should be worrying about) uses Hail. Two: a spinner is something you should be carrying these days anyway since Stealth Rock is all over the place, and even if you don't have one you can still Endeavor without the finishing blow aspect and cause some serious trouble (That, I recall, is why some of the people who knew their strategy (and who are no longer around these forums) liked using Sunkern on their OU teams). Also, a lot of sweepers carry Life Orb these days so they are screwed over the next time they attack anyway. But yeah, it's not like this is worth arguing over further. Like I said: I just thought I should mention it. Is that a crime? =O

 

[Nightofshadow]

Well, I use hail? So i guess i dont know anything =\.

Nothing wrong with mentioning it, You just gotta make sure that people who DONT know, Know about it. It is a VERY hard combo to pull off

 

[Alter Ego]

Well, I use hail? So i guess i dont know anything =\.

Nothing wrong with mentioning it, You just gotta make sure that people who DONT know, Know about it. It is a VERY hard combo to pull off

Okay, I really feel inclined to ask now: why in the name of all that is sweet and sugary do you use Hail? (And please oh please don't say 'Snow Cloak', because relying on evasion modifiers is very weak strategy and always fails in the long run) I mean, it's a weak move that will most likely become a nuisance for non-immune party members and it doesn't have any beneficial auxiliary effects like Sandstorm does, except for that thing with Blizzard which apparently is only a myth caused by Netbattle's system. I mean, what's it good for? o.O

 

[Nightofshadow]

No, I use alot of weird teams. Based on pokemon that i like. Not because people think they are bad and what not.

 

[Alter Ego]

Okay, I'm not quite following you on this one. This isn't about the pokémon species; it's about the move Hail. Unless you're using Abomasnow (in which case the hail is a given without the actual move) then I just don't see why you'd mention that. Unless you like using weird, obscure moves as well...in which case it's a matter of personal choice, but if that is the case then you shouldn't really mention it as a serious threat since it's more of a novelty thing. I mean, I can scream about a strategy being Sunkern weak until my throat is sore but that doesn't mean that people will ever run into Sunkern (Or that they should carry a Sunkern counter) and doesn't really make the strategy any less viable. :\

 

[Nightofshadow]

I do use hail and abamosnow. I use weird movelists because i dont like doing whatever one else does and it allows me to win my matches just as a person who used the same moves as everyone else has. I play different formats as well. I dont play all OU. My main team is actually UU. And it allows me to beat OU players and teams just as well as a UU team would. And i dont use the same movesets as everyone else. I play according to what i want to play by once again.

You can use any pokemon and do well with it(providing it has good support) so do not count out ANYTHING

My hail team includes

Abomasnow- initial hail pokemon
Clefable doesnt take damage from hail
golduck- Negates the effects of weather
Glaceon-incase Asnow dies i have a back up hail for tyranitar
Regice - special wall
Lapras

Team works out very well. Never knock something until you try it

 

[Alter Ego]

I do use hail and abamosnow. I use weird movelists because i dont like doing whatever one else does and it allows me to win my matches just as a person who used the same moves as everyone else has. I play different formats as well. I dont play all OU. My main team is actually UU. And it allows me to beat OU players and teams just as well as a UU team would. And i dont use the same movesets as everyone else. I play according to what i want to play by once again.

You can use any pokemon and do well with it(providing it has good support) so do not count out ANYTHING

My hail team includes

Abomasnow- initial hail pokemon
Clefable doesnt take damage from hail
golduck- Negates the effects of weather
Glaceon-incase Asnow dies i have a back up hail for tyranitar
Regice - special wall
Lapras

Team works out very well. Never knock something until you try it

Ummm...yeah, in that case you don't really use Hail (as in: the move); you're just using a pokémon that sets up the hail weather effect automatically which is a completely different matter. Where precisely did I knock any pokémon species? (Except possibly Sunkern) All I said was that the move Hail is absolute rubbish and that - consequently - it's a very rare thing to encounter and thus isn't exactly a make or break thing for any given strategy. (so calling something Hail weak isn't a very strong strategic argument)

 

[Nightofshadow]

WERE YOU NOT JUST PAYING ATTENTION??? I use hail on glaceon. incase abomasnow dies. and my opponent happens to be using Tyranitar OR hippowdon. God damn, I wish people actually READ what people write on this website

 

[Alter Ego]

WERE YOU NOT JUST PAYING ATTENTION??? I use hail on glaceon. incase abomasnow dies. and my opponent happens to be using Tyranitar OR hippowdon. God damn, I wish people actually READ what people write on this website

Whoa, someone's developed a temper. Anyways, that's just plain silly since all you have to do is switch Abomasnow back in to reset the Hail. Hail on it's own is bad strategy but Hail on a team where you get that effect anyway is even worse. Just WHAT is it good for? For all your raving you have yet to answer that simple question. I can understand exploiting Abomasnow's trait, but not wasting a turn on such a weak attack. The surprise moment is worthless if it doesn't accomplish something better than the standard set. :\